DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 9, 2014 21:08:19 GMT -5
Last year Greg missed a final by accident, now that he's at Rutgers that's kosher to say right Dan? The substitute professor did not let him make it up. The bottom line is that when you are in college, it is your responsibility to get to class and exams on time. The class and exam times are not a secret. To act like not being excused for missing a final is somehow someone else's fault (the teacher's, the coaching staff, your roommate, your alarm clock, whatever) is weak sauce at best. I bombed a physics exam because I was up all night counseling a student in distress (I was a RA) but foolishly I took the exam without talking to the professor first. He wouldn't let me retake it, but said he would have if I had come to him beforehand. I took my lumps and learned from it. I didn't feel entitled to superior treatment. Not sure why basketball student athletes should be treated any differently. Also highly unlikely one missed final is the sole reason he is now at Rutgers.
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Post by kghoya on Jan 9, 2014 21:19:59 GMT -5
Don't look now but Butler is in OT with DePaul.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Jan 9, 2014 21:25:58 GMT -5
Last year Greg missed a final by accident, now that he's at Rutgers that's kosher to say right Dan? The substitute professor did not let him make it up. I bombed a physics exam because I was up all night counseling a student in distress (I was a RA) but foolishly I took the exam without talking to the professor first. Counseling a student in distress. That's funny Dan. Was it at the Tomb's?
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Post by hoyabinx on Jan 9, 2014 21:31:59 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but it's very "uncommon" at GU. In fact, while I was there, I never heard of anyone oversleeping or mixing final exam dates. Maybe you didn't know enough people I never heard of it either.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 9, 2014 21:39:34 GMT -5
I bombed a physics exam because I was up all night counseling a student in distress (I was a RA) but foolishly I took the exam without talking to the professor first. Counseling a student in distress. That's funny Dan. Was it at the Tomb's? Actually, wasn't funny at all - she was suicidal. Was trying (successfully) to convince her to get help. Back on topic, this Butler-DePaul game is hugely entertaining. I think I saw them polishing Hoya Chris' seat already.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 9, 2014 21:50:07 GMT -5
Wow. Garrett 'fouls' Aldrich's push off elbow with his belly for foul number 5. Hate hate hate this new 'hand check' rule. It just handed a huge advantage to Butler on what should have been a play on. Thanks again, Jay Bilas. Props to DePaul for playing through it.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jan 9, 2014 21:53:09 GMT -5
Everyone inside of Hinkle is going to be in distress and in need of counseling (and/or Tombs) after this one. Is that DePaul's first road Big East win ever?
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 9, 2014 21:54:03 GMT -5
DePaul is going to win. I guess that makes that a quality win.
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 9, 2014 21:54:24 GMT -5
Last year Greg missed a final by accident, now that he's at Rutgers that's kosher to say right Dan? The substitute professor did not let him make it up. The bottom line is that when you are in college, it is your responsibility to get to class and exams on time. The class and exam times are not a secret. To act like not being excused for missing a final is somehow someone else's fault (the teacher's, the coaching staff, your roommate, your alarm clock, whatever) is weak sauce at best. I bombed a physics exam because I was up all night counseling a student in distress (I was a RA) but foolishly I took the exam without talking to the professor first. He wouldn't let me retake it, but said he would have if I had come to him beforehand. I took my lumps and learned from it. I didn't feel entitled to superior treatment. Not sure why basketball student athletes should be treated any differently. Also highly unlikely one missed final is the sole reason he is now at Rutgers. Well no one is trying to excuse him, he's a grown man and he missed it. While exam times aren't a secret, sometimes you don't know everyone in your class and getting days and times mixed up, especially when you take a full course load and have athletics to worry about (on top of life in general), happens. I'm not saying it's an excuse but I've heard of more than a fair share of students who have done so. And also no one on this board insinuated that's the reason he's at Rutgers....just the reason for his violation of school rules. But my point was that he didn't intentionally skip a final that he knew he would receive an F for. Perhaps he was in a similar situation to you where life intervend and there was something bigger than just school going on in that moments, maybe not. Who knows if he felt entitled to special treatment. Everyone on this board loves to act like GU has great morality with regards to student-athlete academic engagement, but when stuff like this happens they are quick to blame the player and fail to notice that the situation is sometimes a result of how strict GU can be for athletes, despite a constant yearning by those same fans for it to be that way. People on this board like to crucify athletes and hold them to a different standard than regular students, yet constantly harp on how they should be treated in the same way. My point about the professor was not meant to lay blame on anyone else, but even for a non athlete it's not unreasonable to expect the professor to come up with an alternative to make up the missed assignment, so I don't know why it should be any different for a student-athlete. It's not because he's a student athlete that they should try and accommodate him, but because he is a GU student in general. Either way this is not meant as a response to his whole situation just the incident that led to his initial suspension.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 9, 2014 21:55:34 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but it's very "uncommon" at GU. In fact, while I was there, I never heard of anyone oversleeping or mixing final exam dates. Maybe you didn't know enough people How about you? Did you go to GU?
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 9, 2014 22:00:37 GMT -5
Maybe you didn't know enough people I never heard of it either. So you're saying cause you've never heard of it it's never happened? You'd rather believe Greg wanted to intentionally be suspended? Different teachers have different exam times, some teachers have different ones for different sections, and some professors even change the time and/or location from what is listed on the syllabus. I only missed one exam because of a professor listing conflicting times, but there were plenty more that I had to check, and double check just to make sure I was at the right place at the right time. Exam week can get very stressful and hectic even without a sport to worry about.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 9, 2014 22:00:56 GMT -5
But my point was that he didn't intentionally skip a final that he knew he would receive an F for. . The problem is few people are going to say they "intentionally" skipped a final. If all it took was to say "I over slept or the alarm didn't go off" then everyone would use that excuse. F = Flagrant 2 = Intentionally skipping final Retake test = Accidentally missing final (Also this would buy you extra time to study for that final which wouldn't be fair to the other students who took the final on time. Especially if there is a curve.
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 9, 2014 22:02:58 GMT -5
Maybe you didn't know enough people How about you? Did you go to GU? No but it isn't a GU-only issue. School is school and everyone takes exams.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 9, 2014 22:03:05 GMT -5
I never heard of it either. So you're saying cause you've never heard of it it's never happened? You'd rather believe Greg wanted to intentionally be suspended? Different teachers have different exam times, some teachers have different ones for different sections, and some professors even change the time and/or location from what is listed on the syllabus. I only missed one exam because of a professor listing conflicting times, but there were plenty more that I had to check, and double check just to make sure I was at the right place at the right time. Exam week can get very stressful and hectic even without a sport to worry about. Where was that?
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Post by hoyabinx on Jan 9, 2014 22:11:37 GMT -5
I never heard of it either. So you're saying cause you've never heard of it it's never happened? You'd rather believe Greg wanted to intentionally be suspended? Different teachers have different exam times, some teachers have different ones for different sections, and some professors even change the time and/or location from what is listed on the syllabus. I only missed one exam because of a professor listing conflicting times, but there were plenty more that I had to check, and double check just to make sure I was at the right place at the right time. Exam week can get very stressful and hectic even without a sport to worry about. I did not say it has never happened. I said I've not heard of a person missing it. I actually think the accidental muck up is more plausible than the alternative, as you point out. That still doesn't excuse it (if true).
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Post by prhoya on Jan 9, 2014 22:12:05 GMT -5
How about you? Did you go to GU? No but it isn't a GU-only issue. School is school Disagree. We'll leave it at that.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 9, 2014 22:14:58 GMT -5
Wasn't the final he missed the flash mob one anyways? If that's the one it's a joke the he missed it and also a joke that it was taken so seriously he wasn't allowed to make it up.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 9, 2014 22:24:47 GMT -5
There are plenty of ways. It could be a morning exam and you oversleep, or maybe you got the date of the exam mixed up, or the time. It's not uncommon for students to do that. It's much more plausible than intentionally skipping one you know you will be reprimanded for.... I'm sorry, but it's very "uncommon" at GU. In fact, while I was there, I never heard of anyone oversleeping or mixing final exam dates. Especially when we do have advisors who might just make sure the players know when their finals are.
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 9, 2014 22:26:28 GMT -5
So you're saying cause you've never heard of it it's never happened? You'd rather believe Greg wanted to intentionally be suspended? Different teachers have different exam times, some teachers have different ones for different sections, and some professors even change the time and/or location from what is listed on the syllabus. I only missed one exam because of a professor listing conflicting times, but there were plenty more that I had to check, and double check just to make sure I was at the right place at the right time. Exam week can get very stressful and hectic even without a sport to worry about. Where was that? I went to Colgate if you really want to know. Stop acting like GU is some perfect school with perfect young adults and students. I've had multiple family members at GU so I'm nou hating. Newsflash: there is no school in the country that has perfect students, and kids can be irresponsible anywhere. But I also knew kids at other schools who did the same thing. In fact, I know more than one GU student that mixed up their exam times.
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Jan 9, 2014 22:35:51 GMT -5
Wasn't the final he missed the flash mob one anyways? If that's the one it's a joke the he missed it and also a joke that it was taken so seriously he wasn't allowed to make it up. What is the "flash mob" final? I personally never missed an exam at GU, but I do remember falling asleep mid-sentence during a few blue book exams!!
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