Georgetown - Wright State (Nov 13, 2013) Game Discussion

[DanMcQ]

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[HometownHoya]

Lets make sure we get a deep rotation. Honestly I'd be fine with Josh getting less minutes since his weakness is defense and that can be improved upon in non-game scenarios. Would love to get out outside shooting back on track. Also a focus on rebounding. WIN.

[DanMcQ]

Agree - need to get Moses minutes in game situations - he looks far more agile than last year but still needs to get more instinctual as you can see him thinking every play before he makes it. It would be nice to get Hayes some run too if the situation allows it. As poorly as they played defensively, especially rebounding, they were only a few plays from winning the Oregon game so it will come.

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It took us until a couple games in the conference season last year to establish an identity on offense. Think it took us a first half of our first game this year. Running everything through Josh and letting him make plays is going to be very hard to stop.

Defensively we’re going to have to try and find a way when he’s on the court...

[FrazierFanatic]

Nov 9, 2013 10:38:12 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

It took us until a couple games in the conference season last year to establish an identity on offense. Think it took us a first half of our first game this year. Running everything through Josh and letting him make plays is going to be very hard to stop.

Defensively we’re going to have to try and find a way when he’s on the court...

Gotta hide him in back of zone. Unfortunately our guards are so small it is easy to just shoot over them. Gonna have to move and rotate like crazy. Josh et al. Gotta put a body on a man to rebound.

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Nov 9, 2013 10:44:03 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

Nov 9, 2013 10:38:12 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

It took us until a couple games in the conference season last year to establish an identity on offense. Think it took us a first half of our first game this year. Running everything through Josh and letting him make plays is going to be very hard to stop.

Defensively we’re going to have to try and find a way when he’s on the court...

Gotta hide him in back of zone. Unfortunately our guards are so small it is easy to just shoot over them. Gonna have to move and rotate like crazy. Josh et al. Gotta put a body on a man to rebound.

Our guards were dookie on defense last night.

Even though we lost it was fun watching Josh Dominate on offense. Gotta figure it out on D. We’re going to play a ton of zone this year Frazier, your definitely right there!

[sleepy]

We're too small to play an effective zone though. Unless Domingo and Cameron start getting significant time and become good defenders I don't see how a 2-3 zone will ever work.
I've seen 3-2 zones though that could be effective where ten guards are essentially in man and the post players are playing zone. However we'd have to scrap everything we've done the last 2 years defensively and start from scratch so I don't see it happening.

There is also the option of moving Nate to the 3 with Hopkins at the 4 and Smith at the five to start. Keep us big enough to play 2-3 though it takes away a bit from offense it might be worth it.

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Nov 9, 2013 11:53:08 GMT -5 sleepy said:

We're too small to play an effective zone though. Unless Domingo and Cameron start getting significant time and become good defenders I don't see how a 2-3 zone will ever work.
I've seen 3-2 zones though that could be effective where ten guards are essentially in man and the post players are playing zone. However we'd have to scrap everything we've done the last 2 years defensively and start from scratch so I don't see it happening.

There is also the option of moving Nate to the 3 with Hopkins at the 4 and Smith at the five to start. Keep us big enough to play 2-3 though it takes away a bit from offense it might be worth it.

Yeah it’s not an easy fix but truthfully that’s how we played last year with Markel Dsr and Bril in the zone. Replacing Otto with Josh on D though makes it difficult, Otto did everything. I don’t see Cameron ever becoming a good defender, Domingo looks like he could have some potential to be ok but still learning.

I mean if we’re being honest we are not going to be a great or even really good defensive team this year unless something unexpected happens. We just don’t have the elite foot speed, interchangeable parts, or athleticism at key position to become that. My thoughts are you have to play a contain style more than an attacking defense and try and make everybody score over the top.

We should probably start a thread on Defense and Rebounding because those are going to be issues all year…lol

[daymondmyles]

Hoyas really need to come to play against Wright State. Returning 9 top scorers from a team that is very good defensively and has a very quick guard. Pretty good from 3 too.

[deacon]

Nov 9, 2013 12:09:23 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

Nov 9, 2013 11:53:08 GMT -5 sleepy said:

We're too small to play an effective zone though. Unless Domingo and Cameron start getting significant time and become good defenders I don't see how a 2-3 zone will ever work.
I've seen 3-2 zones though that could be effective where ten guards are essentially in man and the post players are playing zone. However we'd have to scrap everything we've done the last 2 years defensively and start from scratch so I don't see it happening.

There is also the option of moving Nate to the 3 with Hopkins at the 4 and Smith at the five to start. Keep us big enough to play 2-3 though it takes away a bit from offense it might be worth it.

Yeah it’s not an easy fix but truthfully that’s how we played last year with Markel Dsr and Bril in the zone. Replacing Otto with Josh on D though makes it difficult, Otto did everything. I don’t see Cameron ever becoming a good defender, Domingo looks like he could have some potential to be ok but still learning.

I mean if we’re being honest we are not going to be a great or even really good defensive team this year unless something unexpected happens. We just don’t have the elite foot speed, interchangeable parts, or athleticism at key position to become that. My thoughts are you have to play a contain style more than an attacking defense and try and make everybody score over the top.

We should probably start a thread on Defense and Rebounding because those are going to be issues all year…lol

We could throw certain lineup combinations out there that on paper, could be a solid if not really good team defensively. Starks, Bril, Bowen, Hop and Moses should be solid defensively. You could even sub in Josh for Moses in that lineup and it would be more than suitable in a zone. However, offensively, besides Starks and Josh in those lineups, who does the scoring? And like has been alluded too, where is the depth?

For as good as the 2014 class (hopefully) will be and 2015 is shaping up to be with Derrickson already in the fold, the 2012 and 2013 classes are killing this team. Between the two, only one player (DSR) is expected to contribute significantly and he only gave us 5 points last night in a very lackluster performance.

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Nov 9, 2013 13:35:18 GMT -5 deacon said:

Nov 9, 2013 12:09:23 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

Yeah it’s not an easy fix but truthfully that’s how we played last year with Markel Dsr and Bril in the zone. Replacing Otto with Josh on D though makes it difficult, Otto did everything. I don’t see Cameron ever becoming a good defender, Domingo looks like he could have some potential to be ok but still learning.

I mean if we’re being honest we are not going to be a great or even really good defensive team this year unless something unexpected happens. We just don’t have the elite foot speed, interchangeable parts, or athleticism at key position to become that. My thoughts are you have to play a contain style more than an attacking defense and try and make everybody score over the top.

We should probably start a thread on Defense and Rebounding because those are going to be issues all year…lol

We could throw certain lineup combinations out there that on paper, could be a solid if not really good team defensively. Starks, Bril, Bowen, Hop and Moses should be solid defensively. You could even sub in Josh for Moses in that lineup and it would be more than suitable in a zone. However, offensively, besides Starks and Josh in those lineups, who does the scoring? And like has been alluded too, where is the depth?

For as good as the 2014 class (hopefully) will be and 2015 is shaping up to be with Derrickson already in the fold, the 2012 and 2013 classes are killing this team. Between the two, only one player (DSR) is expected to contribute significantly and he only gave us 5 points last night in a very lackluster performance.

Semaj! smh…

DSR was bad last night, hopefully as teams start to adjust to stop Josh that helps free our guards a bit.. But I’m not expecting our defense to be great this year, maybe in spurts but overall it’s going to be difficult

[DanMcQ]

A little more 3/4-full court press might be useful, especially as it would allow Smith to anchor the back end. Until the half court D tightens up this might be the better way to turn the opponents over.

[hoyasaxa2003]

Let's remember that this is one game. DSR stunk but there's no reason to think he won't give us at least the performance we got from him last year. He might not be a go to guy but he should be a good spark on offense.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

Never slog through the game threads after losses since people tend to be overly negative. But it seems like I was the only person who was really encouraged by what I saw despite the loss.

Hoyas are going to be really really really good this year! It was the first game of the season, we almost always struggle in the first game of the season. Defense, turnovers, rebounding,3 point shooting. Those things will all improve by leaps and bounds over the season. Seeing what Smith brings to the table and the tweaks to the offense (much more driving) I am really excited about this team's potential.

Hey last time we lost to Oregon we went to the Final 4!

[lichoya68]

need to be rested and ready for wright state TOUGHEST ooc home game on the schedule. YUP veteran and good team projected to win their condence .. as for oregon the GREAT JOSH SMITH yup no matter what you say dominant.. didnt get the ball quick enough to him woulda had like 40 points. AND THE BAD ok josh not fleet on d but our d our o our rotation our rebbies our hustle. our getting to the foul line seam in the zone our three d our not getting to the foul line seam in the zone on our o well mostly and AWFUL GAME ps our foul shooting pretty awful too. well you know and we freaking almost won so we have a team we have MAYBE one of the best offensive centers in the country and it was early like 8AM FIFTY TIME ZONES AWAY .. FIRST GAME SO I THINK COACH AND THE GUYS WILL WORK IT OUT. YUP go hoyas let the games begin but be ready for wright state.

[hoyainspirit]

I'm not worried about our defense. It was good in the first half, not so much in the second. It's pretty much the same defense as last yr, sans Otto(big loss), plus Joshua. A drop off from #5 in the nation is likely, but I don't expect the season to go as the 2nd half went against Oregon. I think we'll be fine.

We shot well from two, stank from three, and Smith dominated inside. We won't shoot that poorly from outside all yr. Offense, too, I think, will be fine. Defensive rebounding was an issue. Joshua has to board better. And for those who cracked on Starks, he did hit our lone three, scored 16 pts, was 3-3 from the line, had 4 assists and 2 TO's, and an ORtg of 118 in 35 mins. I'll take it.

[michaelgrahmstylie]

Now, that I have seen what Josh can do, I am a strong proponent of him and Moses being in the game at the same time. Moses can become a defensive specialist as Josh probably will not. Josh does provide us with the offensive power and presence we need.

[EtomicB]

Nov 9, 2013 12:09:23 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

Nov 9, 2013 11:53:08 GMT -5 sleepy said:

We're too small to play an effective zone though. Unless Domingo and Cameron start getting significant time and become good defenders I don't see how a 2-3 zone will ever work.
I've seen 3-2 zones though that could be effective where ten guards are essentially in man and the post players are playing zone. However we'd have to scrap everything we've done the last 2 years defensively and start from scratch so I don't see it happening.

There is also the option of moving Nate to the 3 with Hopkins at the 4 and Smith at the five to start. Keep us big enough to play 2-3 though it takes away a bit from offense it might be worth it.

Yeah it’s not an easy fix but truthfully that’s how we played last year with Markel Dsr and Bril in the zone. Replacing Otto with Josh on D though makes it difficult, Otto did everything. I don’t see Cameron ever becoming a good defender, Domingo looks like he could have some potential to be ok but still learning.

I mean if we’re being honest we are not going to be a great or even really good defensive team this year unless something unexpected happens. We just don’t have the elite foot speed, interchangeable parts, or athleticism at key position to become that. My thoughts are you have to play a contain style more than an attacking defense and try and make everybody score over the top.

We should probably start a thread on Defense and Rebounding because those are going to be issues all year…lol

I honestly don't get why folks are so worried about the teams defense or more to the point individuals defensive capabilities... The team was as bad as it could be defensively Friday but we all know Jabril, Markel, Hopkins, DSR & Nate can & will play better on defense.

I'd rather see the staff tweak the line-up to be better on offense.. If you want to go bigger why not start Cameron at the 3 & Jabril @ the 2? Or if you want to go even bigger, how about starting Markel, Jabril, Cameron, Hopkins & Smith?

Imo Cameron should be given an opportunity to prove himself..

[Nevada Hoya]

I liked how JT III used Joshua at the end of the game working him in and out on offense/defense.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

I'm confused why we can't be an elite defensive team when we were an elite defensive team a year ago with mostly the same players.