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Post by williambraskyiii on Apr 20, 2010 16:19:06 GMT -5
World would be a much better place if football never existed I'm going to have to go ahead and dispute that statement.
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Post by jgalt on Apr 20, 2010 16:21:06 GMT -5
If anyone wants to knock the recent AD hire (im not one of them) the only place you can really do that is in this regard. If gtown had gone with an assistant AD from a big 10 or big 12 school they would have a better chance of becoming relevant only in that said AD would theoretically have better contacts. Not my opinion but its where you could start.
The idea of an all catholic league is terrible. It would never work. It has no appeal out side of all of you catholic nostalgiaist. If all you have is catholic schools and you use that to promote the league you shut out a huge portion of the population. Am i saying that protestants and evangelicals will consciously not like the conference because it is catholic, no, but they wont be brought in to root for any of those teams. An all catholic conference would just become the Ivy League with in conference competitiveness but little relevance to the outside world.
Georgetown must look to form alliances with schools that have more pull in this debate. Be that other basketball powers like Duke (i would assume Nova would already be willing to join with gtown) or BE foes like Cuse. Georgetown, in relation to the football powers, is nothing.
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Post by hifigator on Apr 20, 2010 16:23:13 GMT -5
The catholic league would not be that bad at all. We could very well be a Memphis or a gonzaga. They still get top recruits and still make the NCAAs and can challenge for antional titles. Losing the big east does not mean we are no longer relevant. BCS needs to be blown up. World would be a much better place if football never existed and basketball was #1 in college sports. Spoken like a true fan of a team without a real football program. Listen, I know I'm in the minority with my appreciation of college baseball. But I am not naive enough to even hint at placing it above football on the grand scale of things ... even though, personally, baseball is my passion. I would suggest you think the same way of hoops in the big picture. Sure, it's your passion and obviously, Hoya football takes a back seat and then some to the hardwoods. But don't deceive yourself. Football is THE cash cow for the vast majority of major programs. Try not to ignore that part of the equation, even though it isn't your personal cup of tea.
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Post by zurihoya on Apr 20, 2010 16:27:16 GMT -5
I really hope this doesn't become another disaster like acquiring the Mount Vernon property. Mount Vernon property was the first thing that came to mind when I read DFW's post. That could have been the answer to this mess. More than enough space to build a basketball facility and then some. Shoot, I would have loved to have seen us build whatever was necessary to make our football program more competitive and attractive. That GW has built a whole separate campus on this land is an extra slap to the face.
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Post by NCHoya on Apr 20, 2010 16:36:10 GMT -5
Did I miss something, with the GU should join the ACC talk? Did the ACC stop playing football? That is the single most important attribute they would be looking for when asking another school to join. This idea that the ACC would make an exception for Gtown is ridiculous.
Meanwhile, I do not agree that Georgetown cannot compete for the NC in that proposed Catholic League. Memphis was a few FTs away from a National Championship and did we already forget about Butler? There will always be elite players wanting to play at a basketball dominated school close to home, that is a good thing for the Hoyas.
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Post by ksf42001 on Apr 20, 2010 17:09:57 GMT -5
The only thing that could save Georgetown is if a conference or two decides that the best size involves 12 football schools and 4 basketball-only schools. The conference would be big enough to hold a conference championship game in football, but not be too large for additional schools during basketball season.
The perfect (perfect is relative here) scenario would be the ACC losing no one and adding us, Nova, St Johns, and Seton Hall/Providence to the mix.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 20, 2010 17:27:50 GMT -5
A lot of faraway scenarios here, but this one below may be the most bizarre of all: "Currently, the Big Ten has 11 football programs while the Big East has 8. Add them up and you have 19, which of course is an odd number. To remedy this situation, under my Big Ten takeover [of the Big East] proposal, you can go down one of two avenues. The first avenue is that you get the new Big Ten to an even 20 teams. From my estimation, you can achieve this in one of two ways. One way is that you "invite" (read: force) one of the Big East's non-football schools to sack up and move their program from Division I-AA to Division I-A. Likely candidates here are either Villanova or Georgetown."Anyone for a 2012 Homecoming against Ohio State? www.bcinterruption.com/2010/4/20/1432804/big-ten-expansion-why-stop-at-16
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 20, 2010 17:37:29 GMT -5
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Apr 20, 2010 17:45:33 GMT -5
World would be a much better place if football never existed I'm going to have to go ahead and dispute that statement. The catholic league would not be that bad at all. We could very well be a Memphis or a gonzaga. They still get top recruits and still make the NCAAs and can challenge for antional titles. Losing the big east does not mean we are no longer relevant. BCS needs to be blown up. World would be a much better place if football never existed and basketball was #1 in college sports. Spoken like a true fan of a team without a real football program. Listen, I know I'm in the minority with my appreciation of college baseball. But I am not naive enough to even hint at placing it above football on the grand scale of things ... even though, personally, baseball is my passion. I would suggest you think the same way of hoops in the big picture. Sure, it's your passion and obviously, Hoya football takes a back seat and then some to the hardwoods. But don't deceive yourself. Football is THE cash cow for the vast majority of major programs. Try not to ignore that part of the equation, even though it isn't your personal cup of tea. Holy , I think brasky and hifi might have just agreed.
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Post by reformation on Apr 20, 2010 17:46:32 GMT -5
GU to Ivy makes no sense. Harvard and Cornell might be decent this year, but both are historically terrible. Having no scholarships wouldn't exactly do wonders for our NCAA chances... Would make sense for pretty much all sports except bball--which is obviousl;y the most impt one--that's one of the things that makes the realignment difficult--kind of the flipside of the catholic conf which is very bad for probably all sports except basketball.
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Post by jgalt on Apr 20, 2010 20:19:00 GMT -5
A lot of faraway scenarios here, but this one below may be the most bizarre of all: "Currently, the Big Ten has 11 football programs while the Big East has 8. Add them up and you have 19, which of course is an odd number. To remedy this situation, under my Big Ten takeover [of the Big East] proposal, you can go down one of two avenues. The first avenue is that you get the new Big Ten to an even 20 teams. From my estimation, you can achieve this in one of two ways. One way is that you "invite" (read: force) one of the Big East's non-football schools to sack up and move their program from Division I-AA to Division I-A. Likely candidates here are either Villanova or Georgetown."Anyone for a 2012 Homecoming against Ohio State? www.bcinterruption.com/2010/4/20/1432804/big-ten-expansion-why-stop-at-16Man would that be sweet or what? The Big Ten willing to foot the millions of dollars for gtown to have a legit football program! would only cost oh about 100 mil, if you factor in the whole stadium need, and that probably the entire neighborhood would need to be paid off to allow this, then a whole new coach and team and then operating at a loss for a few decades cause the team would still never have success. Im all for it. but that guy most have never been with in 300 miles of this city or he would know this is impossible.
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Post by sleepy on Apr 20, 2010 20:42:48 GMT -5
In my opinion the only possible though highly unlikely scenario that does not effectively render the program to mid major status liesin attempting maintain as much of the current BE while adding four football programs. Unfortunately outside of raiding the ACC for say Maryland or to tempt BCU back along with Memphis and some more southern directionsl schools there aren't too many options. More difficult might be determining which three of the 7 nonfootball schools would get to stay. Im also quite certain that this has been discussed at some level and rejected but the reality is its the only possible solution that doesn't relegate us mid major status.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 20, 2010 21:19:07 GMT -5
Wasn't Memphis another school we've tossed around as basketball-centric and maybe an option to get into a new conference?
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Post by hifigator on Apr 20, 2010 21:26:36 GMT -5
I'm going to have to go ahead and dispute that statement. Spoken like a true fan of a team without a real football program. Listen, I know I'm in the minority with my appreciation of college baseball. But I am not naive enough to even hint at placing it above football on the grand scale of things ... even though, personally, baseball is my passion. I would suggest you think the same way of hoops in the big picture. Sure, it's your passion and obviously, Hoya football takes a back seat and then some to the hardwoods. But don't deceive yourself. Football is THE cash cow for the vast majority of major programs. Try not to ignore that part of the equation, even though it isn't your personal cup of tea. Holy Edited, I think brasky and hifi might have just agreed.[/quote] Wow ... braski and HiFI along with RDF and HiFi all in the same day ... maybe there is something to this climate change theory ...
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Apr 20, 2010 21:31:45 GMT -5
Our problem is that with 6500 undergrads and no existing stadium we simply can't play FBS football without destroying Georgetown academically.
But as I always say, in crisis there is opportunity, and if we can move Duke with us to the Ivy League, they would be winners and we would be winners. An Ivy League with two top 20 basketball programs would exude a powerful synergy. And face it, there are no other schools with academic programs that are actually stronger, rather than just competitive with, the existing Ivy League in some disciplines (with Duke Medical and Georgetown SFS), that make this of interest to them. They will lose nothing academically and could gain much athletically.
If we play this right and aggressively, Georgetown as a university can come out of this far stronger. Duke does not like the football-driven SEC worshiping and mimicking ACC of today and has a dismal future there, much like we will have a dismal future in a stripped down Big East.
There is even a bit of rivalry between us and them now that would sell commercially.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 20, 2010 21:38:46 GMT -5
Our problem is that with 6500 undergrads and no existing stadium we simply can't play FBS football without destroying Georgetown academically. But as I always say, in crisis there is opportunity, and if we can move Duke with us to the Ivy League, they would be winners and we would be winners. An Ivy League with two top 20 basketball programs would exude a powerful synergy. And face it, there are no other schools with academic programs that are actually stronger, rather than just competitive with, the existing Ivy League in some disciplines (with Duke Medical and Georgetown SFS), that make this of interest to them. They will lose nothing academically and could gain much athletically. If we play this right and aggressively, Georgetown as a university can come out of this far stronger. Duke does not like the football-driven SEC worshiping and mimicking ACC of today and has a dismal future there, much like we will have a dismal future in a stripped down Big East. There is even a bit of rivalry between us and them now that would sell commercially. Don't take this the wrong way, but you're delusional here. People who like the idea of a Catholic League or hate football, you're delusional. The best thing that can happen is a minor change -- Pitt or someone goes and the BE backfills. The best thing that can happen if it explodes is if the remaining football schools take us along with them as non-football members -- Marquette, Georgetown, ND, and Nova have shown they can compete. If we have to be in a league without football members, we need to cut the chaff. Marquette, Nova, Us, ND, Dayton, Xavier, etc. Good programs across the board. Non-conference requirements of Cuse and Uconn.
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Apr 20, 2010 21:40:18 GMT -5
Duke has an aging 35,000 seat stadium in a conference that wants every one it schools to be the next Florida. It has a future of 1 and 10 embarrassments at the hands of the "New SEC" cauldron which is the ACC of today. We are faced with becoming a DePaul or Providence on steroids in a second rate athletic conference with all we have gained in developing sports like lacrosse and crew at compete risk. Yet, we have strengths that can help the existing Ivy League immeasurably.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 20, 2010 21:43:31 GMT -5
Duke has an aging 35,000 seat stadium in a conference that wants every one it schools to be the next Florida. It has a future of 1 and 10 embarrassments at the hands of the "New SEC" cauldron which is the ACC of today. We are faced with becoming a DePaul or Providence on steroids in a second rate athletic conference with all we have gained in developing sports like lacrosse and crew at compete risk. Yet, we have strengths that can help the existing Ivy League immeasurably. Duke is not interested in going to the ivy league.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 20, 2010 21:43:40 GMT -5
Happy - You could easily debate Woodrow Wilson > SFS there, and I think many SFSers, including this one, would come out in favor of Woodrow Wilson. I think the Ivy League scenario is a pipe dream, and, to be honest, I am not sure that there's much to distinguish a Georgetown from a Vanderbilt, a Northwestern, a Williams College, etc. other than maybe a heightened sense of pride.
When you compare the breadth/strength of GU's academic programs as well as resources, I also think you might find us on the short end of the stick in the Ivy League. Brown is on the small side in the Ivies at $2 billion. We are less than half of that right now.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Apr 20, 2010 21:44:29 GMT -5
There is zero chance we go to the Ivy league, and I have no idea why you'd want it from a basketball perspective anyway.
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