3xhoya
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Post by 3xhoya on Apr 20, 2010 21:46:20 GMT -5
The day we go to the Ivy League will be the day we slip into basketball irrelevancy. We need to remain in a major conference otherwise we immediately become a mid-major. Look at all of those names being thrown around on the recruiting board and then look at the schools they have listed as their top choices. No way is Georgetown going to be among those other schools if we are playing in a weak conference with little to no national TV exposure.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Apr 20, 2010 21:50:22 GMT -5
yea we need to stay in a major conference for sure...
someone told me that a Uconn to the Big10 rumor was thrown out today on ESPN radio....
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Apr 20, 2010 21:59:33 GMT -5
Any non-Association of American Universitie School, outside of Notre Dame, will not be invited to the Big 10. West Virginia, Cincinatti, Louisville, South Florida and Connecticut will not be invited.
Rutgers, Pitt and Syracuse are the BE targets.
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 21, 2010 0:47:24 GMT -5
Lets try to snipe from some the ACC while we are at it, why should we be the ones to die ;D 1. Georgetown 2. Villanova 3. St. John's 4. Seton Hall 5. Providence 6. Marquette 7. Depaul (Gross) 8. Notre Dame 9. Cuse (are they supposedly leaving?) 10. UConn (same?)) Adding 11. Duke 12. BC 13. Vanderbilt 14. Wake Forest Any of these would be fine. Duke has to realize that the ACC is just a 2 team league and they would get more competition playing against the BE, With St. Johns we would keep MSG. With the founding teams we keep the Big East name, licensing, and history.
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Post by Big Dog on Apr 21, 2010 2:32:00 GMT -5
This is where the Pentaverate needs to step forward and put $10 million in an envelope every year to be mailed to the Big Ten offices. In exchange, Georgetown will join the FBS and agree to lose 100-0 for the next 40 years. I'd take that in a heartbeat.
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Post by fsohoya on Apr 21, 2010 5:10:15 GMT -5
Let's get a couple of things out of our minds permanently:
1. Going to the Ivy League would be crazy from a hoops standpoint even if they invited us: They don't allow athletic scholarships!
2. Duke may not win at football, but they make a fair piece of change just from the conference affiliation and have no incentive to leave from a basketball standpoint. The only thing that would even begin to make Duke consider a change would be a huge SEC raid that decimates the ACC, and that doesn't seem likely in the near future.
As for an all-Catholic league, I agree that it would be a bad move, at least if marketed as an all-Catholic conference. If football continues on its current trajectory, though, the only viable non-football conference I can conceive of would include a lot of Catholic schools. It would be great to add some non-RC schools -- Butler, maybe a public or two -- but we have to be realistic: Most of the perenial, non-BCS football powers in hoops are Catholic.
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 21, 2010 5:50:57 GMT -5
Both the Big 12 and the BE could end up out of existance for BCS football. Blame it all on JoePa.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 21, 2010 7:28:45 GMT -5
Isn't there an "all catholic" conference already? The MAAC? OK, maybe not 100% but pretty close?
Any mention of the Ivy League is inane. They will never add anyone. And it wouldn't be good for GU either -- from a sports perspective.
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Post by jgalt on Apr 21, 2010 8:48:01 GMT -5
Most importantly, JTIII said he would never play Princeton. That might be a problem with and Ivy League schedule.
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Post by hoyaclap on Apr 21, 2010 11:03:21 GMT -5
I agree that any discussions of us (or Duke) joining the Ivy league are DOA.
As a non-Catholic myself, I don't see what the beef is with a All/heavily Catholic school conference, so long as its not billed as such. It may not have the pull of large state schools, but most of the candidates for such a conference have significant pull in almost every major metro area in the East Coast and Midwest. that may be as good as we can hope for, short of being some sort of associate member of the ACC or something, which it improbable.
At least we have that option going for us. I would be worried more if I were a school like Cincinnati or ( less so) Louisville that are likely to get assed out on football realignment. if the Big East dissolves and UConn isn't in the Big Ten/Whatever, then they will surely be in the first thing smoking to the ACC.
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 21, 2010 11:54:20 GMT -5
Link to ESPN's big ten stuff for yesterday. Several article think the BE is toast. .http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/11746/big-ten-lunch-links-armageddon-coming
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 21, 2010 12:27:18 GMT -5
Yeah Gtown and Duke couldn't stay competitive in the ivy league with out scholarships.
I honestly don't think a lot is going to happen.
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Post by reformation on Apr 21, 2010 13:20:23 GMT -5
Most importantly, JTIII said he would never play Princeton. That might be a problem with and Ivy League schedule. Joining the Ivy would be basically be trading off the bball team in its current form for the good of the rest of the univ--its certainly a long shot (not impossible), but so are a lot of things. Having a DC outpost for the Ivies has some attraction for them--like everything else it would depend on what the specifics are at the time. I don't think anyone cares that the individual schools in the proposed conference are Catholic, its that they are relatively weak institutions generally with weak overall athletic programs. Our affiliation with these programs doesn't do a lot for our perception of ourselves as a major natl university. Given that the default option(Catholic conf) is a relatively poor one for Gtwn we really need to be proactive to try to get something better--Both the ACC/Ivy + whatever else we could try to put together. It seems like we can do better than just sit back and be dictated to by others.
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Post by jgalt on Apr 21, 2010 13:31:11 GMT -5
The bigger fear with going to an all catholic league (or one made up of all the good mid major basketball schools who happen to mainly be catholic) is if the Big BCS leagues all expand so that essentially all meaningful sports schools are in those conferences.
It doesnt matter if you took gtown and nova and added in all the good A-10 schools and the butlers and xaviers. That would make a great league, but who would care if all the other powers are in the BCS conferences. Georgetown has to find a way to be carried into one of these conferences. It cant be THE draw in a conference, which it would be in an A-10 Mega version.
The Big Ten (and by extention the SEC, Pac Ten and Big 12) all want to increase their revenues by moving into new markets. Georgetown is very very low on the list in terms of value added. You can argue that DC is a good TV market, but do any of the schools in the area have the potential to draw the kind of television ratings that a UCONN does or a Rutgers? Sadly no. Mostly because UMD football has been bad for a long time and barely anyone watches let alone goes to games. Navy is obviously out and no other schools have big time football. If the BE disappears then i think the ACC does too and i dont think any of the DC schools benefit.
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Post by Locker on Apr 21, 2010 15:20:26 GMT -5
The Big East has engaged Paul Tagliabue "to provide strategic advice on future television arrangements and other priority matters". Good news for us, though it underscores the stakes involved.
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Post by HoyaSC on Apr 21, 2010 16:18:36 GMT -5
What are the chances of Villanova moving up to I-A football and play in the Big East like UConn did? They just won the AA National Championship. It seems like if the Big East football schools want to stay together, that is one way to do it. They need another team for scheduling purposes. Anybody familiar with Villanova's football prospects? If I were running VU's athletic department, that would be my number one priority.
Assuming VU did play BE football--- would that be good or bad for GU? With nine football teams and greater stability, would the football schools be better off leaving and dividing their pie 9 ways instead of carrying the basketball-only schools? Or would the basketball schools negotiate some kind of reduced revenue share in order to keep the league together?
As for the other scenarios being bandied about, the deciding factor is always going to be money/TV revenues. The Ivies don't need money. Therefore, they don't need us or anybody else.
The ACC doesn't need GU for many reasons, but mostly because they already have the DC market with Maryland. We add nothing but another mouth to feed.
The B10 doesn't want Pitt, because it has PSU. But it does want the NYC/NJ media market for the B10 Network. Syracuse, Rutgers, UConn probably all deliver it. And each of them is going to push hard for the B10 because (1) they think they will make more money if they go and (2) if they don't go, and one of the other schools do, they know that disaster awaits.
The best thing that could happen for GU in this whole affair is if the B10 raids Texas and the Big 12 collapses. That could leave the BE in place for a while longer.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 21, 2010 16:26:26 GMT -5
1) from what i understand Nova's administration has no plans at least of moving it's football up anytime soon if ever. 2) The basketball members do not see any money from football revenue as I understand it. So as it is they're only dividing up the football pie 8 ways right now.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 21, 2010 16:45:15 GMT -5
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Post by jgalt on Apr 21, 2010 17:05:33 GMT -5
I have a feeling that if ND keeps sucking like they have the past few years, they will be changing their tune once their NBC contract runs out.
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Post by ksf42001 on Apr 21, 2010 17:06:37 GMT -5
Random Question: Are there no protestant basketball-only schools? It just seems random we're only talking about Catholic schools like that, or did one of the Luthor's 95 theses pertain to maintaining a FBS-level football program?
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