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Post by blueandgray on May 1, 2010 0:30:42 GMT -5
Just heard he hasnt signed yet and is "weighing his options". Fishy. I smell a Calipari. Let the kid have his moment.... you "hurt lots of people"...Cal is a slimeball. Stop the freakin tampering already.
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Post by damnhoya on May 20, 2010 8:07:03 GMT -5
To Kentucky. Can't believe it (well, I can...I just didn't want to believe it).
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 20, 2010 8:15:36 GMT -5
Such a disgusting joke that this is how it ended. Holds a press conference verbally commits to washington. Immediately gets a call from Cal. Suddenly he's not sure about his commitment. Several weeks later he signs financial aid papers to go play at Kentucky. I'm glad he and knight didn't sign LOIs. I really hope Cal does leave for the NBA. It would be amazing as their coach and all their recruits jumped ship. Hope the money helps you sleep at night Terrance.
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Post by DanMcQ on May 20, 2010 8:30:59 GMT -5
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on May 20, 2010 8:44:33 GMT -5
Let's see: You want to go to a school that will best prepare you for the career that you are intending to pursue. If you like foreign service for instance, you try and get into Georgetown's SFS program. If you want to play pro ball as Terrance does, why not go to UK and play for Calipari. Wash had a highly regarded frosh Abdul Gaddy last year who underperformed and has been largely considered a dissapointment. Coach Cal has 4 Freshmen who will all get drafted in this year 1st round NBA draft. You make the call.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 20, 2010 9:05:31 GMT -5
That's not the point. If he had picked Kentucky from the start I wouldn't really care. It's that he chose washington and then was talked out of it by Cal. He had a press conference for 1 team then 2 weeks later decided to go to another team. Be honest if that had happened to Georgetown you'd be Editeded. I know I was Editeded when Riley decommitted and there was no real evidence of tampering there. If there was blatant obvious of tampering like there was here, then i'd have been livid.
And a recruit's under performance is not necessarily a coach's fault. Washington did make the the sweet 16 this past year and would've been ranked ahead of kentucky preseason if jones had stuck with washington.
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Post by guru on May 20, 2010 9:23:39 GMT -5
Cal is definitely the best cheater in college basketball history. Since the guy will never win an NCAA championship, at least he'll always have that title.
Honestly, I don't know how UK fans do it. Talk about willful ignorance - but it's not like the fanbase is full of Mensa members, so maybe they really are that dumb.
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Post by prhoya on May 20, 2010 9:33:10 GMT -5
From that article, it's sounds as if it's not done until he signs the LOI.
I would hate to be an upperclassman under Calipari... not that there are any left, but you get the picture. It's all about the one & dones. Time will tell if it translates into a Championship, but it's not what history is telling us.
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 20, 2010 9:49:59 GMT -5
Let's see: You want to go to a school that will best prepare you for the career that you are intending to pursue. If you like foreign service for instance, you try and get into Georgetown's SFS program. If you want to play pro ball as Terrance does, why not go to UK and play for Calipari. Wash had a highly regarded frosh Abdul Gaddy last year who underperformed and has been largely considered a dissapointment. Coach Cal has 4 Freshmen who will all get drafted in this year 1st round NBA draft. You make the call. I wouldn't pick Cal for a variety of reasons, but then again the ethical focus of the education was a key driving in me picking Georgetown as my school. That said, if you're down to Cal and Romar, aside from concerns about sincerity and ethics (and I'd have real concerns), Calipari is a much better coach, so in some ways it is admirable that he's willing to do something tough for a lot of people (move away from home). Of course, he should have never committed to Washington, then. Very few of these kids have any honor, and it's apparent neither do their parents. Then again, when the adults you're around are AAU coaches looking for a payday and college coaches always looking for the next big contract, where are you supposed to pick up that you should keep your word?
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 20, 2010 10:37:10 GMT -5
You gotta feel bad for this kid. Clearly he didn't have very good guidance or he would have handled the process differently. If I only wanted to play one year, UK is the place. Bledsoe & Orton have no right being in the draft and they'll be first rounders (why I don't really know yet). It won't be too much longer before the mockery that is the one and done concept is legislated out. I still think baseball has it right. Go pro out of high school (Wall, Cousins, Favors all would have taken this route) or play three years.
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Post by idhoya on May 20, 2010 10:58:40 GMT -5
What has Cal accomplished that makes him a better coach than Romar? I'm not talking recruiting or W's and L's. Everyone pretty much knows what you're getting with him everywhere he goes. The dribble drive offense is not Banneker drawing up plans for DC; It's iso and good athletes. Does he make cats better for the league or just get them there?
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Post by RBHoya on May 20, 2010 11:34:23 GMT -5
Let's see: You want to go to a school that will best prepare you for the career that you are intending to pursue. If you like foreign service for instance, you try and get into Georgetown's SFS program. If you want to play pro ball as Terrance does, why not go to UK and play for Calipari. Wash had a highly regarded frosh Abdul Gaddy last year who underperformed and has been largely considered a dissapointment. Coach Cal has 4 Freshmen who will all get drafted in this year 1st round NBA draft. You make the call. Mmmmm yea, except ALL of this was known a few weeks back when Jones originally committed to UW. Do you really think Coach Cal just called him up and reminded him of it and he had a change of heart? Please. The whole thing is pretty much a farce at this point. I think any college hoops fan with a clue knows that something is up at Kentucky, but not too many in the media are willing to call him on it without hard evidence and the NCAA will wait 10 more years until he has moved on before they look into anything, and then penalize them retroactively, after all the money is made. Here's a pretty good write-up from the Louisville board that touches on how a lot of this goes down in many case: mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=17&f=2755&t=5893895Basically, Cal doesn't pay these guys out of pocket, but he has guys like Worldwide Wes and LeBron himself funneling good young players to him. LeBron has these summer camps where he and his people identify top young prospects and begin to build relationships with them. Then when it's near time for a recruit to commit, James gets in touch with them to put in a good word for Coach Cal who is "like a family member". All the while, Worldwide Wes is cultivating relationships with many of the same kids, using his contacts to bring celebrities like Drake and others around and impress these 18 year olds. When the time comes, most of these kids take the obvious path and sign where LeBron/Wes/etc. point them. Then Calipari throws all these super-talented players out there for a year, gets a ton of pub, and then at the end of their freshman year he funnels them directly to an agent, somebody like Leon Rose, who funnels them to Nike (where the real money comes from) and has them sign with LeBrons PR firm. Everybody gets theirs: Calipari: Highest paid coach in the country because he lands these kids, even though it is guys like LeBron and others who really convince them to go to UK Leon Rose/complicit agents: Gets signed as the agent for top young prospects, thus getting 10% of their rather large contracts Nike: Gets top young stars wearing their shoes/gear, which has been their key to success over the last 25 years and has made them the global corporation that they are. Worldwide Wes/other runners/"power brokers": Get a nice kickback from Nike for building a relationship with the kid, keeping the player at a nike school and helping to deliver him to a shoe contract with Nike. Also may get a handsome finder's fee from the agent for helping to deliver the kid to that agent. LeBron: Also possibly in line for a finder's fee, plus gets these kids to sign with his "LRMR" publicity firm. Furthers his goal of having more power over the business side of basketball, and helps bring him closer to his stated goal of becoming the first billionaire athlete. FWIW, I really can't stand the guy. He's an unbelievable basketball player but he's already got more money than anybody could need, and he's trying to find new ways to get more. I think he cares more about money than about basketball, and just views hoops as the centerpiece of his enterprise, moreso than a true love. I really hope the Knicks don't sign him, but I expect it to happen just because he'll be able to command gobs more money for his endorsements by being in NYC. Player: While some argue that these kids are innocent bystanders passed around by power hungry adults, most of them seem to be doing aight. Guys like Derrick Rose, who took this path a couple years ago, seem to be doing alright and hey, didn't even have to bother with that pesky SAT business. A guy like John Wall has gone from being a punk who was facing misdemeanor breaking and entering charges to potentially being a partner in James' multi-million dollar enterprise in what, less than a year and a half? I'm sure a guy like Jones will end up fine as well. People can feel free to think whatever they like about the whole thing, but there is no doubt that some variation of the above is happening in some of these high-profile recruitments, and that it puts coaches who try to "play it straight" at a distinct disadvantage. If you're 17 and the the most famous athlete on the planet calls you up and gives you a push toward a certain school, and then "Uncle Wes" brings your favorite rapper around and they both put in a strong word for that same school, and both of them plus the schools coach are promising to make you a multi-millionaire within 16 months and pointing to examples of other guys who have become huge attractions by taking the same path, where are you going to go? It's almost impossible for a by-the-book coach to compete with that. The days of a coach scouting a kid a couple times and then calling him up and offering him a scholarship, and then the kid happily accepting and being grateful for the opportunity are long gone. All totaled the basketball business is a multi-billion dollar industry and there is too much money at stake. Somewhat related, I thought the whole "Calipari and Lebron as a package deal" thing this week was laughable but also smart business by them. Cal got hammered in the league last time, unless he's guaranteed a ridiculous deal AND LeBron, he's staying put, where he can keep having vastly superior talent funneled to him and being king of his profession. But what it succeeded in doing was getting the word out to the general public that LeBron loves Cal, that they're very close, and that LeBron would want to play for him. Send the message to all the young players that Calipari must be somebody special if LBJ wants to play for him. Just gives them more hype and further perpetuates their stronghold on being able to nab young guys and funnel them along, everybody getting their piece along the way.
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 21, 2010 9:48:57 GMT -5
I am so tired of people like Terrance Jones:
"Does Jones wish he could take back April 30, when he announced he would join Jefferson classmate Terrence Ross at Washington? Ross, a blue chip guard who was Oregon's Class 5A Player of the Year in 2008, signed a letter of intent with Washington in April.
Jones flatly said no.
"I feel players decommit all the time. Everybody knew me not signing anything knew I had options," Jones said.
Why pick Washington in the first place?
"A little bit of just not knowing, being close to home. You can't go wrong being that close. It was a spur of the moment thing, not really thinking about it. Picking something just because it was there," Jones said.
Jones described the recruiting process as "fun," and said he did not feel embarrassed about how it played out during the final weeks.
"I didn't let anybody rush me. I did it my way," Jones said. "I didn't care what anybody had to say and how I was doing it my way. Honestly, I only cared about the two coaches I was dealing with, and my family." "
I don't give a crap about the fans, but it seems to me you treated Lomar Romar like a dick, Terrance. You'll fit in well with Calipari at Memphis, I mean, Kentucky.
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 21, 2010 9:50:15 GMT -5
What has Cal accomplished that makes him a better coach than Romar? I'm not talking recruiting or W's and L's. Everyone pretty much knows what you're getting with him everywhere he goes. The dribble drive offense is not Banneker drawing up plans for DC; It's iso and good athletes. Does he make cats better for the league or just get them there? Don't you need to look at W's and L's to some extent? Cal isn't a savant or anything, but his teams don't usually underperform their talent level. With Romar, that seems to occur more frequently.
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Post by hoyarooter on May 21, 2010 11:22:29 GMT -5
"A little bit of just not knowing, being close to home. You can't go wrong being that close. It was a spur of the moment thing, not really thinking about it. Picking something just because it was there," Jones said.
Jones described the recruiting process as "fun," and said he did not feel embarrassed about how it played out during the final weeks.
"I didn't let anybody rush me. I did it my way," Jones said. "I didn't care what anybody had to say and how I was doing it my way. Honestly, I only cared about the two coaches I was dealing with, and my family." "
Aren't these two statements at least somewhat inconsistent? My gosh, he's been going through this recruiting process for the better part of a year if not longer, and he chose Washington on the spur of the moment? Pardon me if I find all this a little hard to believe.
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Post by kchoya on May 21, 2010 14:49:44 GMT -5
Let's see: You want to go to a school that will best prepare you for the career that you are intending to pursue. If you like foreign service for instance, you try and get into Georgetown's SFS program. If you want to play pro ball as Terrance does, why not go to UK and play for Calipari. Wash had a highly regarded frosh Abdul Gaddy last year who underperformed and has been largely considered a dissapointment. Coach Cal has 4 Freshmen who will all get drafted in this year 1st round NBA draft. You make the call. I wouldn't pick Cal for a variety of reasons, but then again the ethical focus of the education was a key driving in me picking Georgetown as my school. That said, if you're down to Cal and Romar, aside from concerns about sincerity and ethics (and I'd have real concerns), Calipari is a much better coach, so in some ways it is admirable that he's willing to do something tough for a lot of people (move away from home). Of course, he should have never committed to Washington, then. Very few of these kids have any honor, and it's apparent neither do their parents. Then again, when the adults you're around are AAU coaches looking for a payday and college coaches always looking for the next big contract, where are you supposed to pick up that you should keep your word? What the heck is the "ethical focus of the education?"
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 21, 2010 15:50:23 GMT -5
A good half of my business courses asked ethical questions and held ethical debates in class and in assignments that most school don't go through. Same with many of my other courses.
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Post by hoopsmccan on May 21, 2010 15:58:34 GMT -5
And you knew that before attending? Your level of analysis was insane even as a 16-year old.
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Post by kchoya on May 21, 2010 16:22:30 GMT -5
A good half of my business courses asked ethical questions and held ethical debates in class and in assignments that most school don't go through. Same with many of my other courses. That's a very specific focus. Business school classes involve (or should) ethical issues and discussions that you're not going to have in your government, spanish or history classes.
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 21, 2010 16:22:59 GMT -5
And you knew that before attending? Your level of analysis was insane even as a 16-year old. hm It was a big part of the literature, tour, etc. But yeah, my friends and high school did encourage a lot of research.
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