moe09
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Post by moe09 on Jan 15, 2009 22:13:33 GMT -5
While I disagree with hoyalove, I think his point about the result assumes "the result" means DaJuan getting hurt. Correct. It's either a dirty foul or not, whether the guy gets up smiling or is on the ground screaming in pain. And yes, you judge intent based on actions, but unless there is an overtly dirty action- i.e. pushing, hitting, lunging at a part of the body away from the ball, undercutting- the ref should not presume a bad intent and should not call any sort of aggravated foul. Your assumption is simply incorrect. The ref IS NOT presuming a bad intent. That's not what the foul call is about. The foul call is about the level of contact involved (thank you SF). NOTHING in the rule book says anything about presuming bad intent. It's about what happens on the floor.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 16, 2009 0:36:57 GMT -5
it may be what happens on the floor .. but with the mike hitter as coach adn three point shooter done with his one hour of community service.... we can certainly with certainty i...mply they have BAD BAD INTENT.... go hoyas ... more than bball ... go dajuan ...get meanery yup meanery now... its february ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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paranoia2
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Post by paranoia2 on Jan 16, 2009 5:36:08 GMT -5
Getting to this post a little late but it should have been Bill Raferty screaming "Send it in DaJuan!" If there is ever a good tech foul it was Dajuan's on the argonaut. Summers is not floating around this year. He came to ball. Truth be told if I was a future NBA player (like Dajuan) and a future whatever like argonaut pulled something on me I would have been more than vocal.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 16, 2009 9:00:32 GMT -5
I can't believe this is a five page thread, but here's the rule. Rule 10, Section 1, Article 12. "A Player shall not flagrantly or excessively contact an opponent while the ball is live (includes fighting)." There's a lot of room for interpretation there by the official, but there is zero mention of intent. It absolutely does not matter that he was going for the ball. It's simply the level of contact that is relevant. Right, that is how the rule is written- and the rule is completely wrong. It degrades the game of basketball.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 16, 2009 9:03:57 GMT -5
hoyalove4ever it seems like you are thinking in this 80's GU type or NBA type judgement, the reason the NBA and college judge fouls in the manner they do now is to stop the bench clearing brawls of the past or having a Kermit Washington situation.... So this judge this play on its result is not really applicable. anymore. As someone said before and myself playing college ball and still to this day at my old 33 yr old age...there are unwritten rules for serious ballers and one is dont hurt someone if you cnat make a reasonable play. that wasnt a reasonable play on the ball. "ITS NOT THAT HE MADE A PLAY FOR THE BALL"...its a reasonable play at the ball, and that was hardly reasonable. We'll have to agree to disagree. To me, every play on the ball is inherently reasonable. The defensive player never has to concede the basket and always has the right to try to stop the basket.
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