Hank Scorpio
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Jan 15, 2009 15:00:20 GMT -5
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moe09
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Post by moe09 on Jan 15, 2009 15:07:39 GMT -5
You don't evaluate the play on the basis of the result. As I said in my original post, I would feel the same way if that play had ended Dajaun's season- and I would add, even his career. In addition, you can go for the ball and hit the body, whether it be the arm, neck, or face, instead. If you swing your arm at the ball in an effort to hit it, that is a play on the ball, and it should be a regular, old foul- period. What do you mean you don't evaluate the play on the basis of the result? What else is there to evaluate it on? You can't evaluate a player's intention. "I didn' t mean to foul him, honest!" If you play basketball you know there's only one way to judge a foul -- by what happens in the game. This notion is ridiculous, I'm sorry.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Jan 15, 2009 15:14:36 GMT -5
HE WASN'T GOING FOR THE BALL!! That's pretty clear. You all are out of your minds if you don't think he made a play on the ball. Heck he just missed (by about 4-6 inches) it if you actually watch the replay in slow motion. Onganaet used his right hand to grab onto Summer's left. And Kristoff used his left hand and took a pretty good swipe at the ball, clearly missed, and his momentum brought the arm down into the upper chest area, just under the neck of Summers. I would say he made a play on the ball. And yes, I just watched it again, right before I posted this. Again, if it happened the other way I would still be saying the wrong call was made both ways. This is almost as bad an argument as those on other SU boards who implied or flat out said that JT3 put in the Russian intentionally to take out Rautins. Anyone who makes these arguments has never actually played basketball. And as for the nonsense Burke was spewing about this play would have resulted in a fight on the playground, well of course it would. I've seen fights start for much less physical play than this. Stupid. The sight of Cheddar Bob is enough to start a fight without basketball involved.
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Post by doublehoya08 on Jan 15, 2009 15:15:58 GMT -5
i with about a thousand of my closest friends in the caesar's palace sports book when jeff unleashed this monster... the roar that went up was pretty impressive
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hoyajoker07
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Post by hoyajoker07 on Jan 15, 2009 15:16:38 GMT -5
You don't evaluate the play on the basis of the result. As I said in my original post, I would feel the same way if that play had ended Dajaun's season- and I would add, even his career. In addition, you can go for the ball and hit the body, whether it be the arm, neck, or face, instead. If you swing your arm at the ball in an effort to hit it, that is a play on the ball, and it should be a regular, old foul- period. What do you mean you don't evaluate the play on the basis of the result? What else is there to evaluate it on? You can't evaluate a player's intention. "I didn' t mean to foul him, honest!" If you play basketball you know there's only one way to judge a foul -- by what happens in the game. This notion is ridiculous, I'm sorry. While I disagree with hoyalove, I think his point about the result assumes "the result" means DaJuan getting hurt.
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Hank Scorpio
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Jan 15, 2009 15:22:29 GMT -5
Jim Anchower...well done. I was in Savannah, GA for work, which, unbeknownsest to me, was the St Patty's capital of the world. The drunks around me were sufficiently impressed with Jeff's work, as well as Pat's reverse dunk later off the dish from Roy. Very similar to the scene last night...aside from the whole Savannah thing. i with about a thousand of my closest friends in the caesar's palace sports book when jeff unleashed this monster... the roar that went up was pretty impressive
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Post by chrismchaines on Jan 15, 2009 15:25:22 GMT -5
GREAT FIND! What an awesome dunk!
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 15, 2009 15:58:13 GMT -5
What do you mean you don't evaluate the play on the basis of the result? What else is there to evaluate it on? You can't evaluate a player's intention. "I didn' t mean to foul him, honest!" If you play basketball you know there's only one way to judge a foul -- by what happens in the game. This notion is ridiculous, I'm sorry. While I disagree with hoyalove, I think his point about the result assumes "the result" means DaJuan getting hurt. Correct. It's either a dirty foul or not, whether the guy gets up smiling or is on the ground screaming in pain. And yes, you judge intent based on actions, but unless there is an overtly dirty action- i.e. pushing, hitting, lunging at a part of the body away from the ball, undercutting- the ref should not presume a bad intent and should not call any sort of aggravated foul.
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dense
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Post by dense on Jan 15, 2009 17:33:53 GMT -5
hoyalove4ever it seems like you are thinking in this 80's GU type or NBA type judgement, the reason the NBA and college judge fouls in the manner they do now is to stop the bench clearing brawls of the past or having a Kermit Washington situation.... So this judge this play on its result is not really applicable. anymore. As someone said before and myself playing college ball and still to this day at my old 33 yr old age...there are unwritten rules for serious ballers and one is dont hurt someone if you cnat make a reasonable play. that wasnt a reasonable play on the ball. "ITS NOT THAT HE MADE A PLAY FOR THE BALL"...its a reasonable play at the ball, and that was hardly reasonable.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 15, 2009 17:56:50 GMT -5
I can't believe this is a five page thread, but here's the rule.
Rule 10, Section 1, Article 12.
"A Player shall not flagrantly or excessively contact an opponent while the ball is live (includes fighting)."
There's a lot of room for interpretation there by the official, but there is zero mention of intent.
It absolutely does not matter that he was going for the ball. It's simply the level of contact that is relevant.
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Jan 15, 2009 18:05:53 GMT -5
I still like Ewing's dunk in that game better.
Except I can't find it, since Pat had to go and outdo himself -- and everyone else -- at the slam dunk contest the next year. THAT dunk is all over the Internets, but I can't find Ewing posterizing Jared Dudley anymore.
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VelvetElvis
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Post by VelvetElvis on Jan 15, 2009 18:20:05 GMT -5
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Jan 15, 2009 18:34:06 GMT -5
Thanks. Any chance you have a link to one with the audio though, so I can hear Bilas shout: "Who's Your Daddy!"
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 15, 2009 18:35:05 GMT -5
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Jan 15, 2009 18:38:27 GMT -5
I love Hoyatalk.
Thanks, fellas.
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Hoya50
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Post by Hoya50 on Jan 15, 2009 18:44:19 GMT -5
You all are out of your minds if you don't think he made a play on the ball. Heck he just missed (by about 4-6 inches) it if you actually watch the replay in slow motion. Onganaet used his right hand to grab onto Summer's left. And Kristoff used his left hand and took a pretty good swipe at the ball, clearly missed, and his momentum brought the arm down into the upper chest area, just under the neck of Summers. I would say he made a play on the ball. And yes, I just watched it again, right before I posted this. Again, if it happened the other way I would still be saying the wrong call was made both ways. This is almost as bad an argument as those on other SU boards who implied or flat out said that JT3 put in the Russian intentionally to take out Rautins. Anyone who makes these arguments has never actually played basketball. And as for the nonsense Burke was spewing about this play would have resulted in a fight on the playground, well of course it would. I've seen fights start for much less physical play than this. Stupid. The sight of Cheddar Bob is enough to start a fight without basketball involved. too funny. i love this board.
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vcjack
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Post by vcjack on Jan 15, 2009 20:39:14 GMT -5
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 15, 2009 21:17:51 GMT -5
ok they said he put in NIKITA TO INTENTIONALLY TAKE OUT rautins ow wow they are well just outa it NIKITA the three super man who s been getting better at d but take out somebody IN THE BUSINESS WE CALL THAT PROJECTION jimmy bs guys are taught to take out people like mikes girls our players etc. but if jt3 wanted somebdoy to take out somebody maybe hed chose anybody BUT poor nikita just one mans surprised opinion adn saying monroe over rated cause of th efew points did they not watch the game and his ohter games he maybe the hoyas center biggest assist man EVER go hoyas beat west va. ,,, league game
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 15, 2009 21:23:00 GMT -5
PS ANYBODY NOTICE THE LAST FEW GAMES DAJUAN TOOK A PAGE FROM ROYS BOOK ADN DOESNOT SHAKE HANDS AFTER THE NATIONAL ANTHEM JUST WALKS TO THE BENCH JUST LIKE ROY DAJUANBEMEANERYANDGREATSUMMERSWILLBETREMENDOUSWINTERS YUP
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 15, 2009 21:25:45 GMT -5
I thought what KO did was a tort.
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