idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Oct 8, 2008 11:31:02 GMT -5
Is Nate Lubicka poor man's David Lee? To those that have seen him is that a fair assesment?
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Oct 8, 2008 11:36:23 GMT -5
I agree with everybody about this race thing. I wish that the fox article had mentioned that Kelly was also a top hoya target. while it is easy for the media and racist umd fans (is that redundant) to count the number of white players on the team over the past years and say, "oh hes the first one in a while." it would be interesting to know how many white players were recruited and just chose another school.
additionally, what is the percentage of the top 150 players on scout or rivals etc who are white? not very high. that gtown (and tons of other top programs every year) doesnt have a pletora of white players is more a symptom of this: Coaches want the best teams, therefor they need the best players, therefor they recruit the best players, that those players happen to primarily black players means little to (most) of them, and if they see a 6-8 227 PF from St. Marks who is the top NE player and can pass great and is a tough sob they are going to recruit him regardless of him being white. this isnt the 60s (or 70s or even 80s) where coaches are passing over the best players because of their race; coaches are targeting the best players they can get no matter what color they are.***
***of course they are 331(?) D1 coaches and thousands of assistants so it is impossible for me to say that NONE of them are racist
***also i dont believe that counting how many players of a certain race a team has/had gives any insight into the race attitudes of the that coach/school.
finally, to the umd fools (redundant again i think), why would we send our players to UDC? GW is much closer and much easier [joke, of course]
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 8, 2008 11:43:35 GMT -5
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Oct 8, 2008 11:46:21 GMT -5
did someone in the scout thread actually say that facilities were in gtown favor!!! !!! man it must be really bad up there in ann arbor
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Post by tpk3 on Oct 8, 2008 11:55:31 GMT -5
ID- great call. definitely yes in terms of effort, willingness and execution in making the smart pass, and getting up and down the court. I would say right now Lubick has a better outside shot- i never really considered D. Lee a perimeter player or even a type of guy who could hit the elbow J. I would also say Lee may be a little more athletic right now....but that is a close call and also unfair to lubick because he is only starting his junior season now.
BTW- outside of Mike Nardi- who immediately came to mind, they also have Taylor King. yes, he is a transfer but he was a highly touted and overhyped recruit when he went to Duke.
ID/RDF- agree with both of you 100% regarding the recruiting/race issue. As i said to a couple people earlier this is a huge recruitment for a lot of reasons. First, in terms of geography we snatched up the top player in New England. 3 is becoming a national recruiter. in the 2008-2010 classes we have locked down local talent (markel starks, hank sims, jason clark) but we have also gone national with Greg Monroe (lousiana), Dashonte Riley (michigan), Hollis Thompson (Los Angeles), and now nate lubick (mass). Second, in term of building relationships with AAU//high school coach relationships we 3 is casting a wide net. He is developing a strong track record with the New England/East coast/west coast prep schools....just like i am sure he had to do during his princeton days. John Carrol (great name) is lubick's coach for his New England AAu team-- carrol was assistant coach of celtics for a while and interim coach before Doc got there. he was assistant with PJ at Seton Hall. He is well respected name in the sport. Third and maybe most importantly it is pretty apparent from the kid's comments that the GTOWN basketball perception is a "black school with black coaches and black players that only recruits black players." obviously this is false but it is the perception. Lubick showed me alot by not buying into that and keeping an open mind. He is a 4 year player and if he likes his time here he will be a huge factor in recruiting future white hoya recruits. Finally, I love the comments about the team's chemistry. Recruits see that and want to be a part of that. It says alot about the type of student-athlete who wears the blue and gray.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Oct 8, 2008 11:55:41 GMT -5
My last "political/racial" post before getting back to focusing on Nate Lubick-the newest member of the Hoya FAMILY. You are a racist if you focus on the makeup of any team. Unless there is cause/factual information to show that certain kids of any race are being ignored then what is the point? I think it speaks to what mindset a fan has if he even takes note of the racial count on a team. Sports is one of the arenas that has helped break down a lot of racial division--and allowed people to get to know people--no matter what color, financial background, area of country/world, you are from and we've got fans who focus on FALSE negatives when they don't know the men involved or how their program/organization is run. As for Nate Lubick as a player--one thing I'd point out about his "stats"--he shares a frontcourt with Erik Murphy--another kid that Georgetown recruited--former son of Boston College player Jay Murphy. Murphy is a McDonald's All American candidate who is going to attend Florida and is the "focal point" of the team. The fact Nate gets to play with Erik is only going to help him in college--knowing how to fit his game around other talented players is a huge help. Lubick not as athletic as David Lee in my opinion. Bruiser though. Looks like he can bang with big bodies in Big East right now. Think he's going to be a good compliment to the bigs Georgetown has--and will be exactly the type of kid who many have wanted--someone who will get after it on glass and stick his nose in middle of traffic/fight for boards, but still has skill/smarts to play skilled on offensive end. From seeing his frame I think he's perfect compliment to DaShonte Riley--who can protect lane on defense while a guy like Nate can focus on glass. I like that he rips the rim down and goes up STRONG. Have to see more of him to know about his passing/jumpshot--but he's a brute and that is always welcome. Dare I say a skilled Don Reid by time he enrolls?
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Oct 8, 2008 12:16:24 GMT -5
This is great news which I didn't expect so soon. Welcome to Nate.
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Post by Boz on Oct 8, 2008 12:19:33 GMT -5
Don Reid was skilled enough to know where to find a very timely Allen Iverson miss, and for that I am eternally grateful. ;D (of course, he was also skilled enough to last in the NBA, but now I'm just nitpicking with RDF, and that's like suicide, man!) Don't want to change the subject. I know the gist of what RDF meant, I was just having some fun. A skilled banger will be invaluable to the Hoyas, particularly up in the Zoo.
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Post by dailey247 on Oct 8, 2008 12:51:25 GMT -5
We need to leave the UMCP boards alone. They need something to do to kill time at their middle management data processing jobs, and trading half-clever barbs aimed at the school they couldn't get into because they spent too much time in high school huffing paint thinner and listening to Good Charlotte is that something. I worry about wading into the racially-charged debate taking up half this thread, but I will say that I imagine - for a recruit with some concerns about the racial makeup of the team, and how he might fit in the program - one conversation with JTIII would be enough to assuage any fears. And if a kid is spending too much time listening to "hangers-on" whispering in his ear that Georgetown is ONLY for black players, then I'm not sure I want him as a Hoya anyway. Regardless, if we land a string of white, asian, latin, etc recruits, or if we never get another, I'm sure that we will continue to field the best possible TEAM as long as coach Thompson is in charge.
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 8, 2008 12:52:12 GMT -5
When I looked at this, I expected maybe one or two inane posters. I am really shocked!!! with the exception of a couple of classy posters, most of the comments were really depressing to read. I agree... I wanted badly to respond, but I don't think there's anyone over there intelligent enough to get anything significant from my post. So I left it alone... Depressing indeed.... Its not depressings. Its typical baiting and trash talk that goes on when a group of fans really hate another school's program. Well maybe the fact that this happens all the time on the web is depressing if that's what you meant. Actually what they are writing now is tame by comparison to some stuff/misinformation that Riot U fans have been posting for years. Don't pay them any mind. Right now there may not be a more bitter group of fans in the country.
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Post by CO_Hoya on Oct 8, 2008 12:56:15 GMT -5
Before this thread goes completely off the tracks . . .
With Lubick's verbal, and the recent announcement of C. Braswell going to UNC-Charlotte, I tend to think of this as a swap of those 2 players (ignoring the 1-year difference in class).
For the recruiting gurus, would it be wrong to think of their skill-sets as comparable?
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 8, 2008 13:06:40 GMT -5
I agree with everybody about this race thing. I wish that the fox article had mentioned that Kelly was also a top hoya target. There have been about a dozen white players that I can recall III recruiting since coming aboard including Zoubek (sp?) at Duke (Thank God we missed out on that one!), that guard who ended up at WVU, the Plumlees, etc. But perception is ofte stronger than reality. Maybe if th Hoyas had a majority white starting lineup then folks would drop it. Hell, they'd probably consider it the white version of Texas Western.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 8, 2008 13:12:14 GMT -5
I'm no guru, but just from watching Braswell play and Lubick's highlights, I would say:
- I think Lubick is a better jumper - Lubick has a better jumper - Braswell has a better handle - Think Braswell is better at banging down low right now
Just my guess.
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 8, 2008 13:12:26 GMT -5
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Post by golyo on Oct 8, 2008 13:49:19 GMT -5
regarding new england recruiting- wasn't cornelio guibunda out of hartford?
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Jack
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Post by Jack on Oct 8, 2008 13:53:37 GMT -5
regarding new england recruiting- wasn't cornelio guibunda out of hartford? Fairfield County by way of Mozambique, actually, but he counts, I suppose.
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Post by Kid Delicious on Oct 8, 2008 14:09:26 GMT -5
any Xrays of the growth plates?
6' 8" as a junior, i hope he keeps growing
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Post by lichoya68 on Oct 8, 2008 14:13:17 GMT -5
thanks dan for the clairication for my poor memory it was jeff bullis who played for the hoyas nice kid but that junk took its toll on him while recruited and when he became a hoya sorry for my poor memory and yes he was FROM va. and went to georgetown yup sorry for the poor sentence struture but my hearts in the wright place ON THE HILL TOP AND NO OTHER PLACE go hoyas welcome nate
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Post by Elvado on Oct 8, 2008 14:24:45 GMT -5
No. Once again for the record, Jeff Bullis was from Bel Air, MD. Most of the negative crap was courtesy of Lou Campanelli. Had a nice career on the Hilltop though did not play as a Senior ('82).
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Post by sleepy on Oct 8, 2008 14:26:38 GMT -5
Technically, Alonzo "Cheese" Holloway, via CCRI and St Anthony's was the first New England recruit.
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