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Post by bmartin on Jan 28, 2007 0:08:39 GMT -5
82 points in only 55 possessions is outstanding. To play at that level consistently is impressive.
40 points in 27 possessions in the 1st half; 42 points in 28 possessions in the 2nd half.
There was a long stretch in the 1st half, from the Wallace 3 at 15:47 to the Sapp dunk at 2:45 where Georgetown scored 34 points in 17 possessions with only 2 empty possessions in the string. (Then they had four empty possessions to end the half.)
The 2nd half started with two empty possessions, a miss and a turnover, then Georgetown did not have consecutive empty possessions the rest of the game. Hoyas scored on 10 of the next 12 possessions, and 20 of the final 26.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 28, 2007 1:35:37 GMT -5
82 points in only 55 possessions is outstanding. To play at that level consistently is impressive. 40 points in 27 possessions in the 1st half; 42 points in 28 possessions in the 2nd half. There was a long stretch in the 1st half, from the Wallace 3 at 15:47 to the Sapp dunk at 2:45 where Georgetown scored 34 points in 17 possessions with only 2 empty possessions in the string. (Then they had four empty possessions to end the half.) The 2nd half started with two empty possessions, a miss and a turnover, then Georgetown did not have consecutive empty possessions the rest of the game. Hoyas scored on 10 of the next 12 possessions, and 20 of the final 26. BMartin. Very interesting analysis. Thank you. That truly was a remarkable performance. I wonder if any of this will sway any of the Anti-Princeton Offense crowd? Probably not. By the way, there was an article in the Cin. Post leading into the game and how their coach -- and some of their players -- viewed the challenge they faced with the Hoya Offense. Interesting read: news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070127/SPT0201/701270384/1035/SPT
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Post by JimmyHoya on Jan 28, 2007 1:43:29 GMT -5
Props go to fellow students for coming out in a big way for an early saturday game. Both ends of the court were really really full. Not sure why there weren't many yell leaders on the non-band side towards the top. They coulda def been used.
Also, for as unresponsive as supposedly the VCenter's staff are, those ushers sure took a lot of pride in their job today. The lady who discovered within a cardigan G'town sweater one student's "beer bag" (think of a camelbak, but it looked like a cathater hospital bag) deserves a raise . Anybody can look for beer cans lying around and nab culprits, but this lady took it to a new level. I don't know which was funnier--the bizarre discovery of it, the kid's reaction as she pulled it off him or the other usher desprately trying to find a seat as she doubled over in laughter. One of the funniest MCI/V Center moments I've ever seen by far. A good 10 minutes were lost today laughing and watching this hall of fame usher wag her finger no.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 28, 2007 8:58:15 GMT -5
There were two tall dudes sitting near PE Sr, both of about the same age as Patrick Sr. Anyone know who they were? Same age and height? Greg Oden? ;D [/Tony Kornheiser schtick]
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 28, 2007 10:23:55 GMT -5
ONLY FIVE TOS AND ROY GREAT WOWWOWOWOO GO HOYAS FLUSH THE JOHNNES WE NEED A BIG WIN OR AT LEAST A ONE POINT WIN IN THE GARDEN PAY BACK TIME FOR THE NY ALUMS GO HOYAS BEAT ST. JOHNS... ;D ;D
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 28, 2007 10:26:31 GMT -5
HEY BARKERS WRONG RE NEXT FOUR GAMES ARE ROAD GAMES BUT MIGHT CONSIDER MARQUETTE AT HOME A TOUGH GAME LIKE A ROAD GAME BUT PRETTY SURE ITS HEAR AS ITS THE 100TH ANNIEVERSAY GAME LETS NOT BE LIKE NOVA CELEBRATING THERE NCAA WIN ANNIVERSARY VS. US AS WE MESSED UP THEIR PARTY GO HOYAS WIN ONE BY ONE STAY IN THE TOP FOUR AND DONT PLAY ON FREAKING WED.... IN NY please please no wed..
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 28, 2007 11:16:35 GMT -5
82 points in only 55 possessions is outstanding. To play at that level consistently is impressive. 40 points in 27 possessions in the 1st half; 42 points in 28 possessions in the 2nd half. There was a long stretch in the 1st half, from the Wallace 3 at 15:47 to the Sapp dunk at 2:45 where Georgetown scored 34 points in 17 possessions with only 2 empty possessions in the string. (Then they had four empty possessions to end the half.) The 2nd half started with two empty possessions, a miss and a turnover, then Georgetown did not have consecutive empty possessions the rest of the game. Hoyas scored on 10 of the next 12 possessions, and 20 of the final 26. BMartin. Very interesting analysis. Thank you. That truly was a remarkable performance. I wonder if any of this will sway any of the Anti-Princeton Offense crowd? Probably not. By the way, there was an article in the Cin. Post leading into the game and how their coach -- and some of their players -- viewed the challenge they faced with the Hoya Offense. Interesting read: news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070127/SPT0201/701270384/1035/SPTWe haven't seen much of the anti-Princeton Offense crowd since the Pitt game. Winning solves a lot of problems, and that includes having to read unsubstantiated arguments.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jan 28, 2007 13:01:34 GMT -5
really washington post? the online article on yesterday's game has a photo that identifies DS as "Demetrius Summers." glad to see they're doing their homework.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 28, 2007 14:22:39 GMT -5
i expect better from barker the 4 game road trip is actually only a two game road trip. but besides that great article.
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Post by tal1286 on Jan 28, 2007 15:13:55 GMT -5
We haven't seen much of the anti-Princeton Offense crowd since the Pitt game. Winning solves a lot of problems, and that includes having to read unsubstantiated arguments. Admittedly I'm not some basketball genius although I like to think I understand the game pretty well. That being said, really the only thing I don't like about the Princeton Offense is that we often have Roy at the free throw line or the top of the key passing or something. I paid attention to Roy a lot during this game and I think that we saw significantly less of that type of style of play and more of Roy in the post battling for position and, usually, getting it and scoring. I mean, I like the offense, I just get frustrated sometimes because I feel like it can minimize the impact somebody like Roy can have on the game and I think we saw something a little bit different yesterday. Anybody see what I'm saying?
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Post by bmartin on Jan 28, 2007 15:33:31 GMT -5
It is a good thing that Roy does not camp out in the low post. When he comes up high, it opens the lane for cutters/drivers. Roy sets screens up high and then returns to the low post. Frankly, he could set much better dribble screens when he hands off the ball at the top of the key.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 28, 2007 16:22:07 GMT -5
It is a good thing that Roy does not camp out in the low post. When he comes up high, it opens the lane for cutters/drivers. Roy sets screens up high and then returns to the low post. Frankly, he could set much better dribble screens when he hands off the ball at the top of the key. Frankly, III could run an offense at times that better suits his game. What's the bigger issue: a 7'2 true center who doesn't set better dribble screens or the fact that the 7'2 center shooting 70% plus from the field is spending half his time on the court on the perimeter setting dribble screens in the first place? Yes, its part of the offense but you gotta be more flexible and just pound in low a few straight times to start off the game. Even when Roy struggles early. Its not as if good players don't struggle at times in the beginning of games before they get into the flow. There's nothing wrong with still going to them until they start clicking. Its still kind of strange that Roy doesn't get at least 10 shot attempts every game considering how well he is shooting. But I've come to accept that III is more in love with the concept of a five who can play the perimeter ala Jeff. That's fine. But perhaps he should recruit big men (like that European headed to Ohio State next season) that are more perimeter oriented and not guys like, say, Anthony McClain.
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Post by bmartin on Jan 28, 2007 16:51:19 GMT -5
Come on. They do try to pound it down low. That is where half the turnovers come from. He's shooting 70% because he plays within the offense. He doesn't force shots. He takes what his teammates create for him. It doesn't hurt him or the team when he comes out to set a screen. If he is getting good position down low, he doesn't come up high. It doesn't happen at random. It is a read in the offense. And he doesn't spend half the time up top. He is up for 5 to 10 seconds at most and then goes back down low.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 28, 2007 17:02:45 GMT -5
Outside of the DePaul game when has his teammates "created' for him? He makes shots because he is skilled, cau use either hand, has very good footwork and is of course very tall. Rarely, and I mean rarely, does he get baskes via a teammate driving and dishing to him.
And I didn't say setting the screen wasn't part of the offense, but what excuse is there for him to have twenty screens and only three shot attempts in a game? The answer is none. So in the future III should go after jump shooting big men who would be a better fit for his style of play.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 28, 2007 18:53:37 GMT -5
Outside of the DePaul game when has his teammates "created' for him? He makes shots because he is skilled, cau use either hand, has very good footwork and is of course very tall. Rarely, and I mean rarely, does he get baskes via a teammate driving and dishing to him. And I didn't say setting the screen wasn't part of the offense, but what excuse is there for him to have twenty screens and only three shot attempts in a game? The answer is none. So in the future III should go after jump shooting big men who would be a better fit for his style of play. Really? I like having a well-rounded basket of tools. A low post threat or two, a penetrator, a beast on the O boards, etc. That way you can win different games. Sure it means not utilizing EACH INDIVIDUAL player to their fullest each game, but who freaking cares? I'd like to see GU win, not see Roy get his maximum point output each game. So if Roy isn't effective in some games and we play Jeff more to open up the lane, why is that such a big deal? Roy will get his in games where he's having his way. (And no, I'm not saying that every bad game Roy has had has it been a bad matchup or that the team is necessarily using him all the time in the manner I've said above) Sometimes I think people are more emotionally invested in certain players getting minutes and points than winning.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Jan 28, 2007 20:23:38 GMT -5
Thanks to Mapei I got two tickets to the game and took my dad. I didn't closely read the previous four pages so I apologize if I repeat something:
- Sapps dunk was one of the most surprising plays I've seen from our team in years. I know he's a great athelete, has some attitude, and bit of playground ball in his game, but I didn't see that dunk coming. I don't think I've been as surprised at one individual play since Bethel dunked baseline on Syracuse. Which leads me to . . .
- The lack of scoreboard screen killed me, especially not being able to see replays of that dunk and questionable foul calls.
- Wallace had a quiet game, but was steady as always. As usual, just a great solid game from the PG.
- Rivers needs to develop some kind of jumper, but I think he'll be a solid reserve for the next couple years. He's got a good handle, and at one point was leading a break down the center of the court and kept crossing over the defender who was in front of him, desperately trying ot get back.
- I'm glad Jeff had such a good game, despite Roy playing well also. I was begining to think the two of them couldn't have solid performances in the same game.
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Post by hoya73 on Jan 28, 2007 22:19:11 GMT -5
Good to see the refs actually call some fouls when opponents grab and hold Roy as he moves from one block to the opposite side of the lane to set up on the other block. Rivers shouldn't shoot anything but layups until he makes 100 straight jumpers in practice. Summers never quite squares up, even when he's shooting well, but did anyone else think this game's shots were way too "sideways"? Bad offensive game, but that really athletic save where he slapped the ball back into the lane for Sapp's dunk was the highlight of the game for me.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 28, 2007 23:49:21 GMT -5
Sometimes I think people are more emotionally invested in certain players getting minutes and points than winning. If that was the case with me then certainly I wouldn't be making this complaint after Roy had a career high. How stupid would that be? My point, which has remained consistent, is that he should get more chances in the paint because his shooting percentage is too darn good to have nights in which he gets only a few shots in the offense. If he was shooting 45% or 55% I wouldn't bring this up. If he could only score via a dunk by the way of a feed from his teammate (ala Jahidi White) I wou dnot be bringing this up. When he shot a "mere" 59% last season I still bit my tounge and remained mostly silent on the subject of more shot attemptds. But he's been shooting at an incredible mark since the very beginning of this season and its hard to keep silent about it now. I don't care how great the offensive scheme is in general (it is pretty impressive I'll admit). If you don't allow a guy shooting 70% (over 80% in conference play) to take around ten shots a game you are "out-thinking" yourself by taking away from your arsenal arguably your highest percentage shot attempts. And maybe I'm just nuts but I thought coaches wanted to exploit the higher percentage shots. Guess what? Jeff, Jon, DaJuan, etc, as good as they are at hitting a wide open three-point shot their shooting percentages during that circumstance are still lower than Roy taking a shot with a lone defender on his back. Now that does not mean I think Roy should shoot the ball everytime down the court. However ten shots on average doesn't seem all that bad especially if he could knock down, on average, seven of them. And don't higher percentage shots usually lead to more wins in the first place (and that is my main agenda in discussing this throughout the season in the first place). As much as I respect III and his coaching I don't have to agree with every part of the offensive scheme (even if I understand that he knows far more about the game than I do). In the meantime though I'm wondering why we are going after guys like McClain when there are more perimeter oriented big men who could be better utilized in this system. And by the way throughout the season I have argued for more touches in the paint for Jeff as well, more time for Spann and more fast break opportunities to take advantage of Pat. So ts not as if Roy is my sole focus.
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Post by bmartin on Jan 29, 2007 0:09:31 GMT -5
Just because JTIII wants a center to be able to step out and set a pick while his teammates cut to the basket for a layup or a dunk doesn't mean he doesn't want a solid low-post player. Who drilled Roy over and over and over to make him the low post player he is? The offense is not preventing Roy from getting his shots. They just have had a hard time getting it to him in a position where he can do something with it. It's not as if you can just call the Roy dunk play any time you want to. Even Saturday, there were times when the pass did not come quick enough. Again, he is shooting 70% because he isn't forcing shots. You can't assume he would still shoot 70% if he took more contested shots.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 29, 2007 9:48:43 GMT -5
On the Sapp dunk, that was the best play by a fan, EVER!!! The guy got on one knee so Summers could go after the ball and jump over the first row of fans versus crashing into him while making the play. Congrats to the approximately late 50's, 60's year old fan. Great effort and way to focus on the game.
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