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Post by CAHoya07 on Nov 7, 2006 15:14:27 GMT -5
Contrary to the story on GUHoyas.com, there is no information about the transportation in the student season ticket packages distributed today (or my package does not have any). I think it's the latter. My ticket package definitely had a sheet on transportation. Also said Fall semester Metro cards will be ready for pick-up on Thursday and Friday from 1-5:30pm at McDonough. The Hoya has an article today about the changes in gameday transit, which actually highlight some positive student opinions on it. www.thehoya.com/sports/110706/sports27.cfm
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 7, 2006 15:21:47 GMT -5
huh i'm with nick mine didn't have it either i guess the first couple didn't have it or soemthing since we were at the front of the line.
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Post by FLHoya on Nov 7, 2006 15:56:23 GMT -5
Between the Athletic Department press release and that Hoya article, looks like GTown is doing a pretty good job selling AND putting a positive spin on the new arrangements already.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Nov 7, 2006 15:57:56 GMT -5
They must have missed a few of the first ones, but I just checked someone's packet and they had all the transportation info on a sheet in theirs.
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Post by NickSixers on Nov 7, 2006 16:11:16 GMT -5
OK. I thought something might be up. The long and short of this sheet says to go to McDonough on Thursday or Friday to get some Metro card(s)? Thanks.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Nov 7, 2006 16:16:53 GMT -5
yeah, its says to go on Thursday and Friday and explains the entire process.
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Post by YB on Nov 7, 2006 17:48:49 GMT -5
This is a good thing, I think. The bus system was a holdover from when we played in Landover, and no longer suitable for playing games in a downtown arena easily accessible by multiple forms of transportation. Appreciate this for what it is, students: at least we're playing inside the same jurisdiction as the University now!
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 7, 2006 18:40:08 GMT -5
"ed - I never knew you were the mass transit (you know "chariot of the people") type. "
I'll have you know I go to Hoya games by driving to a Metro station, taking the Orange line to Metro Center, changing trains and onto the Verizon Center. If my 75-year-old body with scars from my open-heart surgery and my pacemaker clicking away can accomplish this what's the big deal for students to find their way? See you at the Hartford game in my WAG shirt and my wife probably wearing her "1984 NCAA Champions" T-shirt. Hope you tenderfoot students are able to get there.
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Post by JimmyHoya on Nov 7, 2006 18:56:51 GMT -5
Pish posh, you are old. I am not. When I grow up I'll start doing things for myself, but untill then cleaning is optional, packing a suitcase for home is doing laundry, a Chicken Madness gets me all the major food groups, it's not called alcoholism, it's called having too much fun, and adding extra steps to processes and expecting us to appreciate it is totally misguided no matter the circumstance.
Now where is my bus...*pouts*
P.S. you guys are still forgetting that 90% of the students don't care nearly as much as us and a good portion of them just want to have a good time (and for it to be as easy as possible to do so). They ain't going to study the game like us. They can barely name the starting lineups untill the end of the year....you all have 7 different possible starting lineups and RB Hoya post length reasons for each of them and why they are great/stink. Y'all gotta think like the common man. The common man says: "Balls. Now how the heck are we gonna get there? I'm gonna need more pockets..." Tis the fact of the matter.
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Post by hoyatables on Nov 7, 2006 19:02:25 GMT -5
I don't imagine that 2000-some odd students plus thousands of other fans packing a narrow Metro platform will be too much safer, and I suspect "the crunch" to get on the train, and the subsequent ridiculously-packed train ride full of drunken, excited college students will probably be a bit less safe than the bus ride. At least when you had a bus driver there was SOME constraint on how many people could pile in, even if some of the drivers weren't smart enough to cap the amount of riders at the bus's capacity. With the Metro, there's no such constraint. I have no idea how many folks a car is designed to hold, but I suspect we'll be faaarrrrrr over the limit post-game. I have a number of other reservations about/qualms with this idea, not the least of which is billing it as "enhanced transportation services" and acting like they're doing students a favor, when this seems IMO to be a pretty clear case of something they slapped together because of lack of other options that will definitely be a step down for students from a functional school bus system. And it makes one of my points in my next column seem outdated and dumb ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png) . Other than that, I'll keep my mouth shut for now, and hopefully I'll be wrong and everything will go well. I don't understand why the 2000 Gtown college students are any different than the 2000 professional sports fans that would be in those seats were this a pro game. Metro handles the (c)rush for those games and knows how to manage it. That 2,000 of the 20,000 fans are students shouldn't matter much. Bravo to Georgetown for reaching out to Metro and to Metro for reaching back.
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Post by hoyatables on Nov 7, 2006 19:03:59 GMT -5
Pish posh, you are old. I am not. When I grow up I'll start doing things for myself, but untill then cleaning is optional, packing a suitcase for home is doing laundry, a Chicken Madness gets me all the major food groups, it's not called alcoholism, it's called having too much fun, and adding extra steps to processes and expecting us to appreciate it is totally misguided no matter the circumstance. Now where is my bus...*pouts* P.S. you guys are still forgetting that 90% of the students don't care nearly as much as us and a good portion of them just want to have a good time (and for it to be as easy as possible to do so). They ain't going to study the game like us. They can barely name the starting lineups untill the end of the year....you all have 7 different possible starting lineups and RB Hoya post length reasons for each of them and why they are great/stink. Y'all gotta think like the common man. The common man says: "Balls. Now how the heck are we gonna get there? I'm gonna need more pockets..." Tis the fact of the matter. Students take Metro to internships and jobs and frankly, living in a city, they should take it to more events. Maybe they'll actually explore life beyond the Hilltop a little more *gasp*. Again, bravo. Brilliant change.
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Post by hoyatables on Nov 7, 2006 19:06:28 GMT -5
The thing that i'm most concerned about is the crowding at various stages in this trip. It will take longer than the busses did but it's painfully obvious that that system was flawed and would not have worked this year. There are multiple ways to get from Dupont or Rosslyn or Foggy Bottom to Georgetown. If nothing else, it is VERY walkable and that is a good alternative if you don't want to wait for a shuttle bus. There are also busses that go towards campus and common off-campus neighborhoods. If I lived in Burleith I'd just Metro to Dupont and take the D2, D4 D5 or D6. oh wait, I used to do that. Easy to get to the games.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 7, 2006 19:28:21 GMT -5
For what it's worth, Verizon (MCI) Center is a brisk 40 minute walk, an hour with ease. For a 12 noon game, leave by 10:15, take M Street to GW, cut over on H street, pass Lafayette Sqyuare, and it's one block down on 9th with an hour to spare. The walk back is just as easy, and you can burn off some of those concession food calories while you're at it.
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Post by rihoya09 on Nov 7, 2006 19:57:30 GMT -5
I honestly dont think this is that big a deal and it will replace the chaos of trying to get on a bus at the end of the game. Plus most new fans will be freshmen so they wont even know about the past bus system and they will become use to getting to the game via metro and public transportation.
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Post by hoyatables on Nov 7, 2006 21:01:14 GMT -5
For what it's worth, Verizon (MCI) Center is a brisk 40 minute walk, an hour with ease. For a 12 noon game, leave by 10:15, take M Street to GW, cut over on H street, pass Lafayette Sqyuare, and it's one block down on 9th with an hour to spare. The walk back is just as easy, and you can burn off some of those concession food calories while you're at it. The cold winter air is good for the lungs ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) .
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Post by htownhoya09 on Nov 7, 2006 21:30:57 GMT -5
Okay, I think everyone here is overlooking the point that JimmyHoya and I have tried to make numerous times. Yes, there are many ways other than the bus route of last year to get to the Verizon Center. Yes, it sounds pretty lazy if you complain about taking public transporation (yet, its kind of annoying hearing every alumni hear saying how lazy the students are). Yes, the metro will be able to handle 2,000 Georgetown students. But, from the perspective of the average and slightly lazy college student, this new transportation is more of a hassle than simply crawling out of bed and walking five minutes to the buses. I'm sure the new changes will affect no one on hoya talk's decison about going to the game. I'm simply just worried that this is one more thing the casual fan will point to as an excuse for not going to some of our weaker games, where the fan presence still is important (see home against South Florida last year, almost no one there = near Hoyas loss). Regardless, this is a moot point until we see how it actually plays out. Hopefully the Hoyas will do so well that students would travel an hour to see them play. Winning seems to fix everything.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 7, 2006 21:37:20 GMT -5
Okay, I think everyone here is overlooking the point that JimmyHoya and I have tried to make numerous times. Yes, there are many ways other than the bus route of last year to get to the Verizon Center. Yes, it sounds pretty lazy if you complain about taking public transporation (yet, its kind of annoying hearing every alumni hear saying how lazy the students are). Yes, the metro will be able to handle 2,000 Georgetown students. But, from the perspective of the average and slightly lazy college student, this new transportation is more of a hassle than simply crawling out of bed and walking five minutes to the buses. I'm sure the new changes will affect no one on hoya talk's decison about going to the game. I'm simply just worried that this is one more thing the casual fan will point to as an excuse for not going to some of our weaker games, where the fan presence still is important (see home against South Florida last year, almost no one there = near Hoyas loss). Regardless, this is a moot point until we see how it actually plays out. Hopefully the Hoyas will do so well that students would travel an hour to see them play. Winning seems to fix everything. I think several people responded to your point with: 1) It's not that hard 2) Hoya Blue needs to promote that it isn't that hard
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Post by htownhoya09 on Nov 7, 2006 21:46:32 GMT -5
Okay, I think everyone here is overlooking the point that JimmyHoya and I have tried to make numerous times. Yes, there are many ways other than the bus route of last year to get to the Verizon Center. Yes, it sounds pretty lazy if you complain about taking public transporation (yet, its kind of annoying hearing every alumni hear saying how lazy the students are). Yes, the metro will be able to handle 2,000 Georgetown students. But, from the perspective of the average and slightly lazy college student, this new transportation is more of a hassle than simply crawling out of bed and walking five minutes to the buses. I'm sure the new changes will affect no one on hoya talk's decison about going to the game. I'm simply just worried that this is one more thing the casual fan will point to as an excuse for not going to some of our weaker games, where the fan presence still is important (see home against South Florida last year, almost no one there = near Hoyas loss). Regardless, this is a moot point until we see how it actually plays out. Hopefully the Hoyas will do so well that students would travel an hour to see them play. Winning seems to fix everything. I think several people responded to your point with: 1) It's not that hard 2) Hoya Blue needs to promote that it isn't that hard In my post, I admitted to the fact that it really isn't that hard at all, especially in comparison to what people have to do even with on-campus arenas at bigger schools. However, I think people might be underestimating how lazy a lot of college students are. Let's face it, not every Georgetown student is as big of a fan of Georgetown Basketball as most of the people who post on hoyatalk are. Lots of them are bandwagon fans. While one can argue that if they're not real fans, we don't want them there in the first place, I personally feel that no matter how much you truly care about the team, any fan's presence is beneficial to the overall experience. I'm just worried this could detract somewhat from our overall student attendance. Don't get me wrong though, I really hope that I'm proved wrong and it works out perfectly. I'm just skeptical. Yes, Hoya Blue certainly will try to promote the fact that its not very difficult, but this is clearly easier said than done. Hoya Blue this year has also tried promoting other fall sports games (soccer, field hockey, volleyball, tennis), and while attendance has definitely increased this year and Hoya Blue should be commended for their efforts, most of the people who end up going to these events are hardcore Hoya Blue people any way. So even if Hoya Blue does promote this, its no guarantee that it will have any impact. Not to say, however, that Hoya Blue is inept (because they do a lot for Georgetown athletics), but a lot of the tasks they are faced with are incredibly difficult.
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Post by JimmyHoya on Nov 7, 2006 23:31:22 GMT -5
Okay, I think everyone here is overlooking the point that JimmyHoya and I have tried to make numerous times. Yes, there are many ways other than the bus route of last year to get to the Verizon Center. Yes, it sounds pretty lazy if you complain about taking public transporation (yet, its kind of annoying hearing every alumni hear saying how lazy the students are). Yes, the metro will be able to handle 2,000 Georgetown students. But, from the perspective of the average and slightly lazy college student, this new transportation is more of a hassle than simply crawling out of bed and walking five minutes to the buses. I'm sure the new changes will affect no one on hoya talk's decison about going to the game. I'm simply just worried that this is one more thing the casual fan will point to as an excuse for not going to some of our weaker games, where the fan presence still is important (see home against South Florida last year, almost no one there = near Hoyas loss). Regardless, this is a moot point until we see how it actually plays out. Hopefully the Hoyas will do so well that students would travel an hour to see them play. Winning seems to fix everything. I think several people responded to your point with: 1) It's not that hard 2) Hoya Blue needs to promote that it isn't that hard It's not thaaaaat hard to go to 8:50 AM classes but you don't see too many people choosing them just for the heck of it, do ya? You're missing the point... think like college kids, not senior citizens...
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 7, 2006 23:34:13 GMT -5
I think several people responded to your point with: 1) It's not that hard 2) Hoya Blue needs to promote that it isn't that hard It's not thaaaaat hard to go to 8:50 AM classes but you don't see too many people choosing them just for the heck of it, do ya? You're missing the point... think like college kids, not senior citizens... I got your point. I think you're missing mine. It ain't likely to change. So you should be thinking of ways to make the best of it.
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