mrsixer123
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Post by mrsixer123 on Nov 1, 2006 12:09:33 GMT -5
Hi again. I still strongly disagree with you. Try and trap the Hoya guards and you will get fried. The name of the game is passing. You beat a trap with passing. If you attempt to dribble out of a trap, more than likely you will lose the ball. I can still remember the Georgetown Princeton game in the NCAAs in 1989. For the 5-7 minutes Georgetown pressed Princeton and got creamed. And I can assure you that none of the Princeton players could take their Hoya counterparts of the dribble. Incidently, if a team extends their defense out too far, it will open everything up for the backdoor. yes, you beat a trap with passing, but you can not pass out of a trap every single time verses a really good and fast pressing team as they are coached to take away certain passes. in those cases, you need a superior ball handler to get away from the INITIAL pressure to force the secondary defenders to either commit to the ball handler and open up a passing lane or stay with the person in their area and allow the ball handler to have an open lane to the basket. again, i am not bashing jessie or jonathan. i was at the 1st round game and w/o jessie we do not advance, IMO. i am basing my analysis on the fact that i expect this team to at least make it to the elite 8 game and the further you advance into the tourny, the more a team relies on a sure handed PG who can individually beat pressure w/o having to pass the ball every single time simply b/c you will eventually run up against a team that will find a way to take those passes away.
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Post by Jack on Nov 1, 2006 12:14:22 GMT -5
I think your argument would be much more persuasive if you actually knew the names of the players on the team. There is no "Gerald" on the Hoyas, and hasn't been since Riley graduated. it was a typo. the facts remain the same whether we are talking about gerald or jonathan. i had gerald on my mind as someone asked a question about him. Right. Very similar types of ballhandlers.
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Post by mrsixer123 on Nov 1, 2006 12:15:44 GMT -5
it was a typo. the facts remain the same whether we are talking about gerald or jonathan. i had gerald on my mind as someone asked a question about him. Right. Very similar types of ballhandlers. who said that?
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Post by Jack on Nov 1, 2006 12:21:47 GMT -5
Right. Very similar types of ballhandlers. who said that? I believe it was implied by the person who said "the fact remains the same whether we are talking about Gerald or Jonathan." You might know that person.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 1, 2006 12:29:33 GMT -5
Everyone's going after Mr. Sixer. But I think he has a legitimate argument. We don't have a break down your defender type guard. And while Jeff and Roy are handfuls in the post, Jeff was very inconsistent off the dribble last year. (Was Brandon our best face up one on one player last year?)
It is a missing skill, more or less. Oh, Jessie has shown some flash, like Ashanti did as a frosh. And Jon gets a couple drives a game. Jeff may be more consistent this year and abuse more people like he did Pittsnogle. But no matter how you look at it, it is a team weakness.
Admitting that, everyone else is right, as well. The effects of this lack are not as big as stated. The offense we run -- and the way we run it -- are intentionally used by the coach to minimize our weakness and mazimize our strengths.
Does anyone really see it as a lucky coincidence that with a team whose offensive strengths are low post play and set shooting, that this team essentially scored with either low post play, set shooting, or on backdoors?
I'm sure, a few years from now, when the lineup is completely different and we have mid-range shooters like Austin and penetrators like Chris and maybe less of a traditional center out there, the offense will look a bit different. For now we're an inside-out team.
Could it cost us a game? Sure. But every team has weaknesses. We'll see how we do versus Marquette, who has no post game but plenty of penetrators.
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Post by Locker on Nov 1, 2006 12:52:17 GMT -5
If anyone is really worried about our ability to break a press, please re-watch the tape of the Ohio State game. Wallace and Sapp were phenomenal at handling the Buckeyes' pressure.
Really, you just can't watch that game again and still be concerned about this.
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Post by mrsixer123 on Nov 1, 2006 12:54:43 GMT -5
I believe it was implied by the person who said "the fact remains the same whether we are talking about Gerald or Jonathan." You might know that person. that person acknowledged it was a typo which has been corrected. again, one has nothing to do with the other. never did that person compare the two subjects basketball skills.
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Post by mrsixer123 on Nov 1, 2006 12:59:06 GMT -5
If anyone is really worried about our ability to break a press, please re-watch the tape of the Ohio State game. Wallace and Sapp were phenomenal at handling the Buckeyes' pressure. Really, you just can't watch that game again and still be concerned about this. i was 10 rows off the floor at that game and i am still concerned. oh st was not a fast team. do i think we will suffer from our lack of a breakdown PG in the regular season? no. it may cost us a game or two, but nothing major. for the third time, my expectations for this team are high and my concerns are when we get to the elite 8 and beyond
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2006 13:06:23 GMT -5
To get a proper answer to this, we will have to wait and see. If we get into frequent problems with a press, particularly at the end of the game, then Mrsixer was right. If, however, we keep our turnovers at a minimum and don't have any major problems with traps or presses, then I was right. We will have to wait and see and perhaps revisit this some time in the future.
Jerry
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Post by mrsixer123 on Nov 1, 2006 13:09:45 GMT -5
To get a proper answer to this, we will have to wait and see. If we get into frequent problems with a press, particularly at the end of the game, then Mrsixer was right. If, however, we keep our turnovers at a minimum and don't have any major problems with traps or presses, then I was right. We will have to wait and see and perhaps revisit this some time in the future. Jerry agreed. i sure hope i am the one who proven wrong
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Nov 1, 2006 13:56:19 GMT -5
On the other side, College Hoops Net has the Hoyas in at #13. While this seems a little low, the more striking thing to me is that it appears that this will place us behind Pitt (no surprise) and Syracuse (what?) in this Top 144 ranking. www.collegehoopsnet.com/preview/2006/13.htmAnd the 'cuse comes in at #11.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Nov 1, 2006 15:23:20 GMT -5
And the 'cuse comes in at #11. No surprise. Boeheim gets to vote five times in the CHN poll.
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