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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2006 14:37:01 GMT -5
This is not the NBA. Having watched Princeton basketball for 20 years, Watching Northwestern for the past 3-4, you just don't see that. In the NBA, you just see certain aspects of the system, not the system itself.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Oct 31, 2006 14:38:29 GMT -5
From Scout: "SCOUTING Native of New York. Is a very good slasher and began to assert himself as a scorer during his junior season. Shot could stand improvement." First Jessie can't shoot from outside (valid)...now he can't drive to basket (despite that being exactly what he was brought in to do)? This Sapp guy is the worst Top 75, All-met guard ever. Now the guys we don't have yet like Wright and Clark, they can definitely, no question about it, slash to the hoop. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) Be concerned about Sapp's shooting, fine. But reasonably expect him to gain the strength and confidence to do what he does best and that's drive and dish. I think he'll handle the ball a ton.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Oct 31, 2006 14:40:48 GMT -5
This is not the NBA. Having watched Princeton basketball for 20 years, Watching Northwestern for the past 3-4, you just don't see that. In the NBA, you just see certain aspects of the system, not the system itself. I think that is in large part due to talent rather than design. There is no chance that Chris Wright fills the same role as Wallace, and I suspect that as talent increases the system will become more open in general. GIGA - Sapp is hard to read. He had a rep as a guy who drives to the hole, but he didn't even do that in Kenner. I can't really figure out why.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2006 14:47:56 GMT -5
I agree with your post and your reference to Chris Wright. I believe he will fill Wallace's role, but will expand it as well. My original post was to respectfully disagree with Mrsixer who posted this:
"we simply do not have a PG that you can give the ball to with a minute left in the game and not have any worries. at some point in the season, we will lose a close game b/c we do not have a guy with superior ball handling skills."
Jerry
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Oct 31, 2006 14:52:11 GMT -5
This is not the NBA. Having watched Princeton basketball for 20 years, Watching Northwestern for the past 3-4, you just don't see that. In the NBA, you just see certain aspects of the system, not the system itself. I think that is in large part due to talent rather than design. There is no chance that Chris Wright fills the same role as Wallace, and I suspect that as talent increases the system will become more open in general. GIGA - Sapp is hard to read. He had a rep as a guy who drives to the hole, but he didn't even do that in Kenner. I can't really figure out why. I think one reason is he has to learn the floor general role in the offense before he can expand that role. Here's news, Wright will have to do the same thing. Anyone who thinks Wright walks in and starts diving to the hoop immediately is probably in for a surprise. Expect both Jessie and Jon to expand their repertoire this year. You have to learn the offense and get comfortable before you build on it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2006 15:17:21 GMT -5
Well stated. You have a great understanding of this system.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 31, 2006 15:21:15 GMT -5
There is a huge difference between being a great ball handler and not turning the ball over. Wallace rarely turns the ball over because he rarely makes aggressive plays, whether driving or passing. In terms of pure ball-handling skill, I'd say Sapp is better. I'd agree with this...EXCEPT the comment that Wallace rarely makes aggressive passing plays. He makes a lot of great passes for the amount of times he touches the ball -- remember, he's not controlling the offense like most big assist PGs. Furthermore, aggression like that is overrated. Turnovers are a horrible thing; I love that Wallace and the team play within themselves. Being able to create is a great thing, but if you try to do too much, you can negate your own good.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Oct 31, 2006 15:25:44 GMT -5
I'd agree with this...EXCEPT the comment that Wallace rarely makes aggressive passing plays. He makes a lot of great passes for the amount of times he touches the ball -- remember, he's not controlling the offense like most big assist PGs. In fact, if I remember correctly (obviously no stats exist to back this up), a lot of Jon's turnovers last season came when trying to zip a ball through defenders to the post.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Oct 31, 2006 16:03:19 GMT -5
I didn't see many GU games last year, but that spin move against Duke that Wallace made sticks in my memory of something beautiful.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Oct 31, 2006 16:41:36 GMT -5
On the other side, College Hoops Net has the Hoyas in at #13. While this seems a little low, the more striking thing to me is that it appears that this will place us behind Pitt (no surprise) and Syracuse (wtf?) in this Top 144 ranking. www.collegehoopsnet.com/preview/2006/13.htm
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 31, 2006 16:48:24 GMT -5
They had us at like 87 last year. CHN sucks at rankings.
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 31, 2006 17:16:20 GMT -5
I didn't see many GU games last year, but that spin move against Duke that Wallace made sticks in my memory of something beautiful. Ahhhh!!! Thanks for reminding me.... that was GREAT! And just for the record, I really don't care a whit where we are ranked Before the season even starts!And I think it will take some time for this team to gel. We had our top six guys for TWO YEARS IN A ROW! Losing half of them is a big loss and will take time to replace. We have the talent on the roster and we sure as heck have the coaching. But it takes time. GO HOYAS!!! START THE SEASON ALREADY!!!
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Post by GUHoya07 on Oct 31, 2006 17:19:16 GMT -5
They had us at like 87 last year. CHN stinks at rankings. I actually checked their ranking from last year recently and I believe they had us at like 38. Another thing that proved to be really horribly off on their list was Florida at something like #56, and the funniest part looking back on it now is that Noah was not even mentioned once in their writeup.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 31, 2006 18:01:22 GMT -5
13 still is too low very dissapointed by their ranking especially having us at third in the BE unacceptable. Oh well. They'll learn from their mistake soon enough. We'll prove how good we are on the court.
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Post by mrsixer123 on Nov 1, 2006 10:47:02 GMT -5
Say w-h-a-t? Oh, I guess that's why we lost to Florida last year. My bad. Hope JW, Sapp & co. read this.... ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) [/quote] what does that have to do with anything? we will need a guard that can beat his man off the dribble against teams that will realize our half court offense is superior and thus extend their defense to press and trap our guards. am i saying our guards can not dribble? obviously not, or they would not be in the BE. all i am saying is i would feel better knowing we had a PG that at the end of the game we could run a 1-4 set knowing the other team could not steal the ball from our PG.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2006 11:11:28 GMT -5
all i am saying is i would feel better knowing we had a PG that at the end of the game we could run a 1-4 set knowing the other team could not steal the ball from our PG. Does III need a PG for that? Why not use Green? There aren't many guys who would be guarding him in a late game situation that he can't break-down with ease. Alternatively, why does this team need to run a 1-4 in end-game situations? Why not just run the normal offense, work for an open shot? Seems like that's what they did in the biggest game of the year last season, and it produced a wide open shot that could have propelled the team into the Elite Eight.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2006 11:16:31 GMT -5
Hi again.
I still strongly disagree with you. Try and trap the Hoya guards and you will get fried. The name of the game is passing. You beat a trap with passing. If you attempt to dribble out of a trap, more than likely you will lose the ball. I can still remember the Georgetown Princeton game in the NCAAs in 1989. For the 5-7 minutes Georgetown pressed Princeton and got creamed. And I can assure you that none of the Princeton players could take their Hoya counterparts of the dribble. Incidently, if a team extends their defense out too far, it will open everything up for the backdoor.
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Post by mrsixer123 on Nov 1, 2006 11:29:30 GMT -5
Does III need a PG for that? Why not use Green? There aren't many guys who would be guarding him in a late game situation that he can't break-down with ease.
Alternatively, why does this team need to run a 1-4 in end-game situations? Why not just run the normal offense, work for an open shot? Seems like that's what they did in the biggest game of the year last season, and it produced a wide open shot that could have propelled the team into the Elite Eight.[/quote]
i would rather a guard handle the ball in late game situations instead of a forward no matter who the forward is.
"Alternatively, why does this team need to run a 1-4 in end-game situations?" b/c if the man on defense can not steal the ball, they are forced to send a second man to pressure, thus allowing the guard to make a pass that should end up as a dunk. the FL game ended with a wide open jump shot. i would rather have a wide open dunk or layup
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Post by CO_Hoya on Nov 1, 2006 11:59:13 GMT -5
I think your argument would be much more persuasive if you actually knew the names of the players on the team. There is no "Gerald" on the Hoyas, and hasn't been since Riley graduated.
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Post by mrsixer123 on Nov 1, 2006 12:08:43 GMT -5
I think your argument would be much more persuasive if you actually knew the names of the players on the team. There is no "Gerald" on the Hoyas, and hasn't been since Riley graduated. it was a typo. the facts remain the same whether we are talking about gerald or jonathan. i had gerald on my mind as someone asked a question about him.
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