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Post by bluechi on Mar 19, 2024 21:20:50 GMT -5
This seems right to me. Some folks around here have been talking out of both sides of their mouth about this team all season - on the one hand, this is a "solid core;" on the other, we simply couldn't compete in the Big East this season because of our lack of talent. "It's the talent" was the mantra for many after every loss. Well, if it's the talent, then why would we bring it all back? Why would we want to? We need *major* upgrades across the board, and the incoming freshmen can not be expected to provide that. Bully for them and us if they do, but it can't be part of the design. We need a couple of impact players to displace a couple of the players who were in the rotation this year. It's an uphill battle. Let's see what Cooley and company can do. I don't believe any core was developed this season but some pieces could be valuable in the seasons to come, it's obvious how high I am on Fielder. "Fielder & Sorber could form a frontcourt that will truly drive the program forward and I'm willing to go thru the growing pains to see how big they can become." This is why Brumbaugh as setup guy and a really good scoring guard to go alongside would make this team better next year. I get the allure of the portal but I'm not sure chasing wins is a good strategy when you have young talent.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 19, 2024 22:31:00 GMT -5
Have heard that woo'ing 1 year guys is problematic for staff. Most have a win now mentality. Thus the focus on multi year guys. Which as RB and others point out - could effect Rowan and Drew. Why wouldn't we be able to "win now" with a $4M-$5M NIL budget? Can't have it both ways. Why would anybody invest that much in NIL if there's no expectation to "win now"? I think the bigger point is that we were 2-18 this season. NIL money helps, of course, but it doesn't change these facts. Why would graduate transfers with 1 year left take a chance joining a 2-18 team when they can join one that was better last year? That's what the staff needs to deal with (and yes, they are responsible for being in that position). As I've said before, NIL money helps, but other factors still matter too. Not to mention that many of the "good" teams from the last few years likely have similar NIL money. Or close enough where it's less impactful.
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Post by thedragon on Mar 20, 2024 9:17:04 GMT -5
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Post by royski on Mar 20, 2024 9:21:05 GMT -5
So the season was a complete waste on a development front, while also squandering any positive momentum from hiring a new coach. Awesome.
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dense
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Post by dense on Mar 20, 2024 9:23:48 GMT -5
So the reports on the burner were true.
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Post by thedragon on Mar 20, 2024 9:24:10 GMT -5
So the season was a complete waste on a development front, while also squandering any positive momentum from hiring a new coach. Awesome. Lmao. Rowan was not a high major PG. If that wasn't obvious I don't know what to tell you. I'd be much more disappointed if Fielder left
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 20, 2024 9:29:03 GMT -5
Sorry to see Rowan leave. I think he had some really impressive moments and had a chance to develop into a really good college point guard. My guess is Cooley had an open and honest discussion with him after the season and told him what he envisioned Rowan's role would be on next years team. If that did not match up with what Rowan is looking for at this point, then I understand him looking for another opportunity and I wish him well. Looks like we have another open scholarship for the portal!! hope the staff gets to work quickly!!!
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 20, 2024 9:30:46 GMT -5
This new world of college basketball is testing my resolve to remain a college basketball fan. Every year is unrestricted free agency.
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Post by hoyariv71 on Mar 20, 2024 9:32:28 GMT -5
I don’t want to single out anyone player but I still believe Cooley needed to get a team on floor, so some of the guys maybe weren’t his ideal type of players. You play out the season and get a feel at the end of the season which ones are fit, it’s normal process. Now moving forward I think will have more to evaluate players before bringing them to the team. I wish RB BEST OF LUCK
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dense
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Post by dense on Mar 20, 2024 9:32:46 GMT -5
So the season was a complete waste on a development front, while also squandering any positive momentum from hiring a new coach. Awesome. Lmao. Rowan was not a high major PG. If that wasn't obvious I don't know what to tell you. I'd be much more disappointed if Fielder left This is how I feel. It wouldn't have been next year. I think he realized he was gonna get a bunch of time cut and decided to leave.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 20, 2024 9:35:00 GMT -5
Surprised to see Rowan moving on with his DC roots, but I assume he saw future PT as an issue, perhaps with the advice of the coach. Evaluating his ability as a PG after one year seems like a rush to judgement. He played hard and showed some chops on the offensive end. .
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Post by guru on Mar 20, 2024 9:35:31 GMT -5
So the season was a complete waste on a development front, while also squandering any positive momentum from hiring a new coach. Awesome. It’s really hard to imagine any other coach doing worse than what ours has done so far. Actually shocking.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 20, 2024 9:38:26 GMT -5
I would have liked to see him stay and develop. I think he would have been a very good player for us as a RS junior and fifth-year senior. Wishful thinking, I know. I just hope that the decision was triggered by knowledge that we actually have someone coming in to take on the PG job, and not a general understanding that Cooley is out shopping for a PG.
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Post by guru on Mar 20, 2024 9:38:38 GMT -5
Lmao. Rowan was not a high major PG. If that wasn't obvious I don't know what to tell you. I'd be much more disappointed if Fielder left This is how I feel. It wouldn't have been next year. I think he realized he was gonna get a bunch of time cut and decided to leave. He wasn’t a big east starter, but certainly could have been a decent contributor down the line. He’s the type of kid you’d like to keep and this program desperately needs some stability - but maybe that’s impossible these days.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 20, 2024 9:39:24 GMT -5
This is going to be a rebuild through HS recruiting. Constant recycling of transfer portal players can't be the answer.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 20, 2024 9:43:19 GMT -5
This new world of college basketball is testing my resolve to remain a college basketball fan. Every year is unrestricted free agency. Amen. You can't root for players any more, you just root for the jersey.
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Post by guru on Mar 20, 2024 9:43:24 GMT -5
This is going to be a rebuild through HS recruiting. Constant recycling of transfer portal players can't be the answer. Your HS recruits are pretty incentivized to transfer after their first year as well. The sport is in ruins.
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Post by thedragon on Mar 20, 2024 9:44:13 GMT -5
This is how I feel. It wouldn't have been next year. I think he realized he was gonna get a bunch of time cut and decided to leave. He wasn’t a big east starter, but certainly could have been a decent contributor down the line. He’s the type of kid you’d like to keep and this program desperately needs some stability - but maybe that’s impossible these days. Don't disagree. As an upperclassmen who could have been a solid backup PG. Just not realistic in today's cbb landscape. Having your minutes cut is pretty much a cut bait sign these days.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 20, 2024 9:45:20 GMT -5
A situation like this is exactly why it's becoming harder and harder to root for individual player development, especially during lost seasons. I don't know if he would have ended up being a top-flight BE caliber PG, but he did improve over the final month of the year. And now we have nothing to show for it. Just brutal.
I also don't understand the potential PT concerns. Who did he think was coming in to definitively take away all of his time? Don't give me recruiting class rankings and recruit stars and whatever. We've been down that road before plenty of times and a good number of these kids never panned out or lived up to the billing. Really not happy that the default reaction to any challenge in PT is to pack up and run. How about get better during the offseason and earn the minutes?
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Post by dense on Mar 20, 2024 9:46:17 GMT -5
Just so you know Trilly just said some more people are leaving. Seeing as though Epps and Fielder were the only ones to post NIL stuff. That should tell you something
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