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Post by bigskyhoya on Aug 14, 2023 20:18:41 GMT -5
Just what I've been told for several years now by 'team insiders' under both staffs. But it's just some folks opinions. Take it or leave it. Maybe it's best put another way. Ewing publicly responded to some post game questions about Mutombos lack of playing time by alluding to Ryan needing to grow up and mature and put in the time. But I wouldn't behoove anyone who says 'Being in Ewings doghouse as a coach might be a badge of honor'. Cooley has tried to recruit over Mutombo 2 fold from day 1. Dickerson long shot. Cook. And since Cook we've been in contact with a number of other bigs. It seems pretty apparent just based on public recruiting info that the new staff had no intentions (and still likely don't if they can find another last minute big) to play Mutombo much. Again, I've heard nothing but great things about the kid as a person. As a student. As probably the most intertwined Gtown bball member into the general Georgetown student community. And hopefully if all true then one day he decides that Basketball is his passion and finds another gear. But you've seen him play (granted in small spurts) for 2 years. And while they're have been moments, does anyone come away thinking he's the answer to minutes at the 5 the next 2 seasons? He couldnt play over Tim I. Or even Ezewiro. Guys now at Cal Baptist (I think he's moved on from there too) and St. Louis. I would love for Ryan to be the next Hibbert or Sims. I just think that from everything I've seen and heard that chance is very very unlikely. Yeah unfortunately I haven’t seen anything to indicate that he will do anything. There’s that contingent on here that just are hoping he does well as some sort of last jab at Coach Ewing. But that in itself is a weird take because Ryan is A family friend and god son to Ewing so if Ryan had any talent/dedication Coach Ewing would have played him. By this point Ryan should be able to be like a Northwesterns Matthew Nicholson type rotation player. But some times the hunger just isn’t there when you are a superstars kid as opposed to someone like Sims. Actually true Hoya fans who are not blinded by an irrational attachment to the former guy are hoping for a significant improvement from Ryan. Do you, or are you hoping for failure so you can claim Ewing’s bizarre decision making was somehow rational? It’s a rhetorical question. Everyone who has suffered through your posts knows the answer. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 14, 2023 20:30:37 GMT -5
1 – Creighton has been starting a big man who is skinny and has been from day one. That body frame doesn’t automatically mean a guy can’t come in and compete in the paint. The notion of wiry strength has been a thing for awhile now. 2-He did not play Kenner League because apparently he and Jalen had injuries that the coaching staff did not want to take chances on. 3-I think Fielder is tall enough for at least PF. Anyway I mostly hear/read 6’10 or above in regards to his height. Jon Rothstein stopped by practice and listed him as 6’10 and a ½. Either he did that because he has seen enough 6’10 ½ guys before to be able to recognize that exact height automatically or the Gtown staff provided that as an official listing. He’s very tall. As of right now he is taller than Thomas Sorber whom we expect to come in next season and start even if he isn’t 7 feet tall. Kalkbrenner has always been 7-1. Quite a difference than 6-9 or even 6-10. That’s still three inches plus more length. As a freshman we were able to easily stop Kalkbrenner with Q. See big east title game. But since then Kalkbrenner has filled out. More muscle and size, more of a man’s body now than a high school body. So it’s incorrect to say Kalkbrenner has the same body as when he was a freshman 1- I think his body frame is pretty much the same (btw how can you even tell the difference considering he hides behind that long T-shirt?). I will concede he has gotten stronger though. He has gotten tougher and more confident after taking his knots and learning how to play. That said despite what Q may have done to him, Kalkbrenner was nonetheless thrown out there by his coach and got key minutes that first year. He did have plenty of moments of success for Creighton that first year. 2 - Fielder's height puts him essentially eye-to-eye at least with almost every center in the Big east except for two or three guys. But here is the better news: he won't be counted on to play much of the Five this season. His position is the Four. And he is going to have the same height advantage against the PFs that Kalbrenner has his first year against the other centers. 3 - I wrote this a couple of months ago and I'll make this point again. If Fielder's shot is falling he will be a headache for defenses considering the length and athleticism he possesses to go with that shooting ability. All this talk about how he may have difficulty defending because of his lack of bulk but no one is talking of the difficulties he may cause for opponents trying to guard him. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 14, 2023 20:41:06 GMT -5
What is the basis for saying that Ryan doesn't consider basketball his #1? If he's said this in articles or interviews, I am open to that, but otherwise, I don't see the basis for stating this. Just what I've been told for several years now by 'team insiders' under both staffs. But it's just some folks opinions. Take it or leave it. Maybe it's best put another way. Ewing publicly responded to some post game questions about Mutombos lack of playing time by alluding to Ryan needing to grow up and mature and put in the time. But I wouldn't behoove anyone who says 'Being in Ewings doghouse as a coach might be a badge of honor'. Cooley has tried to recruit over Mutombo 2 fold from day 1. Dickerson long shot. Cook. And since Cook we've been in contact with a number of other bigs. It seems pretty apparent just based on public recruiting info that the new staff had no intentions (and still likely don't if they can find another last minute big) to play Mutombo much. Again, I've heard nothing but great things about the kid as a person. As a student. As probably the most intertwined Gtown bball member into the general Georgetown student community. And hopefully if all true then one day he decides that Basketball is his passion and finds another gear. But you've seen him play (granted in small spurts) for 2 years. And while they're have been moments, does anyone come away thinking he's the answer to minutes at the 5 the next 2 seasons? He couldnt play over Tim I. Or even Ezewiro. Guys now at Cal Baptist (I think he's moved on from there too) and St. Louis. I would love for Ryan to be the next Hibbert or Sims. I just think that from everything I've seen and heard that chance is very very unlikely. I will pat myself on the back by pointing out I said that Ryan, despite his recruiting rankings and pedigree, would struggle big time at first at Gtown. I was against recruiting him because he was a legacy kid who, in my opinion, would be the clear fourth best center on the roster his frosh season. And he was. I write this to emphasize that I was very skeptical of Ryan from the beginning. But you know what? On offense he showed me more ability and fluidity than I expected from him that initial season. And while he was not some stellar defender he was nonetheless able to causes opponents to miss when going up against him in the paint. He showed me potential and I felt he should have seen more time last season. Frankly everyone gets a clean slate after the problematic situation over the previous two seasons. Ryan will get a chance to either prove the doubters right or confirm their suspicions. As of this moment, until some other big gets dropped off to Cooley's hand, the team NEEDS him to be a player of substance. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 14, 2023 21:20:51 GMT -5
When it comes to centers, I think people focus too much on body type and how big guys are. Obviously I would rather have a guy who is stronger over one who isn’t (all else equal), but I would probably take a skilled more scrawny player over a less skilled big guy who has little skill. It’s easier to make a skilled guy stronger than to develop a skill that doesn’t yet exist.
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Post by hoyaboya on Aug 14, 2023 21:22:53 GMT -5
Sorber is much more physically developed than Fielder, that is why people are confident he can come in and contribute right away. All you have to do is look at both of them and videos of their games. They will actually be a nice combo together, with Sorber more of a low-post big (though he can also shoot from deep) and Fielder more of a 4 with outside skills. LOL. I am going to refrain from a sarcastic response. I'll bet I've rewatched video of these two guys more than anyone else. I realize that Sorber has the wider build thank you. But so much of this discussion has been about height. In my experience of watching hoops, typically the taller you are the more you can get away with in the paint even if your body has yet to catch up in muscle mass. Drew is basically 6'11 with a rep of competing and battling in the paint. He needs to continue to get stronger but freshmen college players tend to not be a finished work in terms of their physiques in the first place. Nonetheless guys like him have been called upon to hold their own in college ball that first year like forever. I just reject the notion that because he looks kinda scrawny he should be written off for this upcoming season. That is all. People should go back and look at Alonzo Mourning in the 1988 McDonald All American game or even his frosh season at GU. He was not Muscle Beach at first. He had more of a wiry build, even more slim than some of his fellow '88 high school all-stars. Zo remains my favorite Hoya forever and I'm not foolish enough to suggest Fielder can have the freshman impact that Mourning did. I will claim though that Mourning, in the chest and shoulders, was not that much more massive than Fielder. Granted I am certain that Zo was stronger. But just because Fielder may look scrawny dos not mean he won't be ready to compete, eventually at least, successfully in the paint when needed. Hell, the best example is Laettner in his freshmen year and how despite not having much noticeable musculature he was able to hold his own against Mourning and Georgetown in the NCAA East Regional. Laettner was listed at 245 pounds as a freshman: basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/conferences/Atlantic-Coast-Conference/1/Duke/31/Rosters/1989Mourning was listed at 240 pounds as a freshman: basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/conferences/Big-East-Conference/4/Georgetown/66/Rosters/1989Fielder is listed at 205 pounds by ESPN: www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/251633/drew-fielderBad comparisons, MCI. |
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Post by prhoya on Aug 14, 2023 21:31:52 GMT -5
When it comes to centers, I think people focus too much on body type and how big guys are. Obviously I would rather have a guy who is stronger over one who isn’t (all else equal), but I would probably take a skilled more scrawny player over a less skilled big guy who has little skill. It’s easier to make a skilled guy stronger than to develop a skill that doesn’t yet exist. Scrawny or not, a center needs big cojones to control the paint. It’s not about body weight and size, although it helps. |
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Post by prhoya on Aug 14, 2023 21:37:19 GMT -5
Just what I've been told for several years now by 'team insiders' under both staffs. But it's just some folks opinions. Take it or leave it. Maybe it's best put another way. Ewing publicly responded to some post game questions about Mutombos lack of playing time by alluding to Ryan needing to grow up and mature and put in the time. But I wouldn't behoove anyone who says 'Being in Ewings doghouse as a coach might be a badge of honor'. Cooley has tried to recruit over Mutombo 2 fold from day 1. Dickerson long shot. Cook. And since Cook we've been in contact with a number of other bigs. It seems pretty apparent just based on public recruiting info that the new staff had no intentions (and still likely don't if they can find another last minute big) to play Mutombo much. Again, I've heard nothing but great things about the kid as a person. As a student. As probably the most intertwined Gtown bball member into the general Georgetown student community. And hopefully if all true then one day he decides that Basketball is his passion and finds another gear. But you've seen him play (granted in small spurts) for 2 years. And while they're have been moments, does anyone come away thinking he's the answer to minutes at the 5 the next 2 seasons? He couldnt play over Tim I. Or even Ezewiro. Guys now at Cal Baptist (I think he's moved on from there too) and St. Louis. I would love for Ryan to be the next Hibbert or Sims. I just think that from everything I've seen and heard that chance is very very unlikely. I will pat myself on the back by pointing out I said that Ryan, despite his recruiting rankings and pedigree, would struggle big time at first at Gtown. I was against recruiting him because he was a legacy kid who, in my opinion, would be the clear fourth best center on the roster his frosh season. And he was. I write this to emphasize that I was very skeptical of Ryan from the beginning. But you now what? On offense he showed me more ability and fluidity than I expected from him that initial season. And while he was not some stellar defender he was nonetheless able to causes opponents to miss when going up against him in the paint. He showed me potential and I felt he should have seen more time last season. Frankly everyone gets a clean slate after the problematic situation over the previous two seasons. Ryan will get a chance to either prove the doubters right or confirm their suspicions. As of this moment, until some other big gets dropped off to Cooley's hand, the team NEEDS him to be a player of substance. I remember your post-KL evaluation of Tim I. Not pat-worthy…  We have all been there. We’re fanatics. I thought we had something great in Bass and Denver, and Reggie and Domingo, etc… I’m hopeful for Ryan. |
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Aug 15, 2023 5:53:23 GMT -5
I like this roster. I'm comfortable with Cook and Ryan at the 5. Play defense, rebound and be able to execute on the pick and roll offensively. I like the frontcourt depth with the transfers and freshman. Bristol will be a valuable swing player. We all know guard play dictates everything in college, so the success of this season depends on Epps, Heath and Rowan. Competent coaching alone gives this team a chance in most games.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 15, 2023 8:07:57 GMT -5
LOL. I am going to refrain from a sarcastic response. I'll bet I've rewatched video of these two guys more than anyone else. I realize that Sorber has the wider build thank you. But so much of this discussion has been about height. In my experience of watching hoops, typically the taller you are the more you can get away with in the paint even if your body has yet to catch up in muscle mass. Drew is basically 6'11 with a rep of competing and battling in the paint. He needs to continue to get stronger but freshmen college players tend to not be a finished work in terms of their physiques in the first place. Nonetheless guys like him have been called upon to hold their own in college ball that first year like forever. I just reject the notion that because he looks kinda scrawny he should be written off for this upcoming season. That is all. People should go back and look at Alonzo Mourning in the 1988 McDonald All American game or even his frosh season at GU. He was not Muscle Beach at first. He had more of a wiry build, even more slim than some of his fellow '88 high school all-stars. Zo remains my favorite Hoya forever and I'm not foolish enough to suggest Fielder can have the freshman impact that Mourning did. I will claim though that Mourning, in the chest and shoulders, was not that much more massive than Fielder. Granted I am certain that Zo was stronger. But just because Fielder may look scrawny dos not mean he won't be ready to compete, eventually at least, successfully in the paint when needed. Hell, the best example is Laettner in his freshmen year and how despite not having much noticeable musculature he was able to hold his own against Mourning and Georgetown in the NCAA East Regional. Laettner was listed at 245 pounds as a freshman: basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/conferences/Atlantic-Coast-Conference/1/Duke/31/Rosters/1989Mourning was listed at 240 pounds as a freshman: basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/conferences/Big-East-Conference/4/Georgetown/66/Rosters/1989Fielder is listed at 205 pounds by ESPN: www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/251633/drew-fielderBad comparisons, MCI. You obviously were not around back then, kid. I saw those numbers last night when trying to do some more research and I laughed. Those are practically the weight of Zo and Laettner once going into the NBA. That wasn't what they weighed when coming into college. Heck, Shaq was listed at about 250 pounds when arriving at LSU and he was a MONSTER. Much bigger than Zo and Laettner who arrived a year ahead of him. Even though I was a kid at the time I can clearly recall looking at Alonzo and thinking he looked small compared to Stanley Roberts and not as muscular as Shawn Kemp. In terms of build I was expecting him to look like Ewing did during his first years with the Knicks and that was unfair. He did not even look as strong as JR Reid, another Virginia kid who I was a real fan of. One college writer said that Alonzo, despite his ranking, would have problems with Stacey King. King was an Oklahoma player who would have been a senior I believe during Alonzo's freshman season. King was all muscle and had a wide chest. Anyway I'm pretty certain that Alonzo was not listed any more than 215 to 230 pounds when coming into college. There has always been an inconsistency in terms of listed weight of incoming freshmen, even more than height. 220 to 225 sounds about right. He wasn't exactly Chris Webber in terms of statuesque build when he first hit the college court. Alonzo being listed by these website as 240 when arriving at Gtown is ridiculous. That would make him heavier than Ewing's listed weight when he was a frosh (go to games on YouTube when Ewing's height and weight are announced or listed onscreen) and Ewing was both taller and a little more muscular than Zo. By the time Zo became a junior he had an actual NBA body (the difference in his build between his game against Duke as a frosh and his game against Duke as a junior is startling), but it took some time. Eventually he would get up to 250 during his NBA days, perhaps a tad more, because he really worked on gaining strength, probably in part to make up for his lack of height and overall skill. As for Laettner, he was nowhere near 240 either. I guess the lesson here is don't always trust what you read on the internet. Going back to weight inconsistency I have seen Fielder listed as high as 220 or at least 215. Not a HUGE difference there but that 195 or 205 that I see tossed in this thread is false imo. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 15, 2023 8:12:51 GMT -5
I will pat myself on the back by pointing out I said that Ryan, despite his recruiting rankings and pedigree, would struggle big time at first at Gtown. I was against recruiting him because he was a legacy kid who, in my opinion, would be the clear fourth best center on the roster his frosh season. And he was. I write this to emphasize that I was very skeptical of Ryan from the beginning. But you now what? On offense he showed me more ability and fluidity than I expected from him that initial season. And while he was not some stellar defender he was nonetheless able to causes opponents to miss when going up against him in the paint. He showed me potential and I felt he should have seen more time last season. Frankly everyone gets a clean slate after the problematic situation over the previous two seasons. Ryan will get a chance to either prove the doubters right or confirm their suspicions. As of this moment, until some other big gets dropped off to Cooley's hand, the team NEEDS him to be a player of substance. I remember your post-KL evaluation of Tim I. Not pat-worthy… We have all been there. We’re fanatics. I thought we had something great in Bass and Denver, and Reggie and Domingo, etc… I’m hopeful for Ryan. I never wrote anything about Tim's potential based on KL because I never saw him play in the KL. I am not even certain if Tim ever played one summer league game to be perfectly honest. There are other examples of "Gotcha Moments" you may be able to pin on me to but let's not resort to making up things to prove a point. I was indeed high on Tim but it wasn't based on any personal, up-close summer evaluations of him. |
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Post by TC on Aug 15, 2023 9:28:10 GMT -5
This board has like 20 years of history stored. If you're going to accuse someone of having a terrible past view, you should link it, not just fabricate it.
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Post by wolveribe on Aug 15, 2023 9:34:42 GMT -5
I want to use the scale that says Felder is 205 pounds.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 15, 2023 9:42:40 GMT -5
This board has like 20 years of history stored. If you're going to accuse someone of having a terrible past view, you should link it, not just fabricate it. His past view of TI is stored here. It’s not fabricated. He knows, but now he made the distinction that he didn’t see him live. Well, I haven’t seen Rowan live, but I already called his 20+ mpg for this season. If seeing a player live was the only way to judge a player’s potential, we wouldn’t have board discussions. What I’m saying is that it’s ok to be wrong when it comes to player potential (i.e., my evaluation of the players I listed and never saw at KL) and there’s no need to be high-horsey. And btw, IIRC Tim never played KL because there were some academic things to iron out before his freshman year, and then COVID eliminated KL. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Aug 15, 2023 9:51:48 GMT -5
You obviously were not around back then, kid. I saw those numbers last night when trying to do some more research and I laughed. Those are practically the weight of Zo and Laettner once going into the NBA. That wasn't what they weighed when coming into college. Heck, Shaq was listed at about 250 pounds when arriving at LSU and he was a MONSTER. Much bigger than Zo and Laettner who arrived a year ahead of him. Even though I was a kid at the time I can clearly recall looking at Alonzo and thinking he looked small compared to Stanley Roberts and not as muscular as Shawn Kemp. In terms of build I was expecting him to look like Ewing did during his first years with the Knicks and that was unfair. He did not even look as strong as JR Reid, another Virginia kid who I was a real fan of. One college writer said that Alonzo, despite his ranking, would have problems with Stacey King. King was an Oklahoma player who would have been a senior I believe during Alonzo's freshman season. King was all muscle and had a wide chest. Anyway I'm pretty certain that Alonzo was not listed any more than 215 to 230 pounds when coming into college. There has always been an inconsistency in terms of listed weight of incoming freshmen, even more than height. 220 to 225 sounds about right. He wasn't exactly Chris Webber in terms of statuesque build when he first hit the college court. Alonzo being listed by these website as 240 when arriving at Gtown is ridiculous. That would make him heavier than Ewing's listed weight when he was a frosh (go to games on YouTube when Ewing's height and weight are announced or listed onscreen) and Ewing was both taller and a little more muscular than Zo. By the time Zo became a junior he had an actual NBA body (the difference in his build between his game against Duke as a frosh and his game against Duke as a junior is startling), but it took some time. Eventually he would get up to 250 during his NBA days, perhaps a tad more, because he really worked on gaining strength, probably in part to make up for his lack of height and overall skill. As for Laettner, he was nowhere near 240 either. I guess the lesson here is don't always trust what you read on the internet. Going back to weight inconsistency I have seen Fielder listed as high as 220 or at least 215. Not a HUGE difference there but that 195 or 205 that I see tossed in this thread is false imo. Don't trust what you read but trust your 30+ year old memories of your observations of people on TV or, at best, at a distance? I know what I'd trust and it's definitely not very old memories. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 15, 2023 9:57:38 GMT -5
This board has like 20 years of history stored. If you're going to accuse someone of having a terrible past view, you should link it, not just fabricate it. True. |
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Post by prhoya on Aug 15, 2023 10:06:25 GMT -5
This board has like 20 years of history stored. If you're going to accuse someone of having a terrible past view, you should link it, not just fabricate it. True. And btw, IIRC Tim never played KL because there were some academic things to iron out before his freshman year, and then COVID eliminated KL. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 15, 2023 10:07:20 GMT -5
You obviously were not around back then, kid. I saw those numbers last night when trying to do some more research and I laughed. Those are practically the weight of Zo and Laettner once going into the NBA. That wasn't what they weighed when coming into college. Heck, Shaq was listed at about 250 pounds when arriving at LSU and he was a MONSTER. Much bigger than Zo and Laettner who arrived a year ahead of him. Even though I was a kid at the time I can clearly recall looking at Alonzo and thinking he looked small compared to Stanley Roberts and not as muscular as Shawn Kemp. In terms of build I was expecting him to look like Ewing did during his first years with the Knicks and that was unfair. He did not even look as strong as JR Reid, another Virginia kid who I was a real fan of. One college writer said that Alonzo, despite his ranking, would have problems with Stacey King. King was an Oklahoma player who would have been a senior I believe during Alonzo's freshman season. King was all muscle and had a wide chest. Anyway I'm pretty certain that Alonzo was not listed any more than 215 to 230 pounds when coming into college. There has always been an inconsistency in terms of listed weight of incoming freshmen, even more than height. 220 to 225 sounds about right. He wasn't exactly Chris Webber in terms of statuesque build when he first hit the college court. Alonzo being listed by these website as 240 when arriving at Gtown is ridiculous. That would make him heavier than Ewing's listed weight when he was a frosh (go to games on YouTube when Ewing's height and weight are announced or listed onscreen) and Ewing was both taller and a little more muscular than Zo. By the time Zo became a junior he had an actual NBA body (the difference in his build between his game against Duke as a frosh and his game against Duke as a junior is startling), but it took some time. Eventually he would get up to 250 during his NBA days, perhaps a tad more, because he really worked on gaining strength, probably in part to make up for his lack of height and overall skill. As for Laettner, he was nowhere near 240 either. I guess the lesson here is don't always trust what you read on the internet. Going back to weight inconsistency I have seen Fielder listed as high as 220 or at least 215. Not a HUGE difference there but that 195 or 205 that I see tossed in this thread is false imo. Don't trust what you read but trust your 30+ year old memories of your observations of people on TV or, at best, at a distance? I know what I'd trust and it's definitely not very old memories. Friend, my memory landmarks when it comes to that age are movies, comic books and college hoops. I can recall the best theater moments I had for cinematic experiences, the number of panels on the pages of some of the best comic books I read and the soundbytes of announcers of games I consumed. Furthermore my collection of college basketball games is in the high hundreds and I have rewatched plenty of them throughout the decades. The mind can do some incredible things under certain scenarios. But the good news is that YouTube exits and one doesn’t need my level of collection. One can watch many of these games on the internet. In his final game of his freshmen season when playing against UNC for the title, Ewing is listed at 7 feet and 220 pounds. If anyone here is misguided enough to believe that freshmen Alonzo Mourning and Christian Laettner, with their body frames at the time, were 20 pounds heavier than Ewing was as a frosh then so be it. That type of gullibility is on you. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Aug 15, 2023 10:28:41 GMT -5
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 15, 2023 11:15:20 GMT -5
Sorry for the grainy snapshot but it’s the best I could do with the YouTube video I was working with. This is taken from the 1989 McDonald All American game. The two guys in the frame were arguably the two top bigs coming out of high school that year.
Looks like I was off somewhat on Shaq. He was listed as a mere 240 pounds at this point, not 250. Edwards was scaled at 205. Shaq was a behemoth even as a high school senior. He was immediately the most imposing big man in college as soon as he stepped on the LSU campus. There are people in this thread arguing Zo and Laettner weighed just as much as him their frosh seasons. That is plain nuts. It would also mean they were both 35 pounds heavier than Edwards. Get out of here.
Also as a side note I want to point out Shaq’s listed height. It’s 6-11, not the 7’1 height he would soon start having attributed to him by LSU and the media. Shaq would later admit after his NBA retirement that he was 6’11, not over 7 feet. The 7’1 measurement just made him seem more imposing. Why am I bringing this up? In a 1992 game with Duke at LSU during a Saturday afternoon on CBS, color-commentator for the game, Billy Packer, commented that Laettner had grown an inch or two because he could go eye-to-eye with Shaq. I made a point to a cousin and friend whom I was watching the game with that Laettner had not grown taller, the height listing of Shaq was exaggerated. You see this is an example of those memory landmarks I can often fall back on. The game. The time. The announcers. What was said by the announcers. Retaining all that useless info is possible.
Edit : My apologies. Appears I can’t get the picture to paste from my tablet. Will have to wait until I get home.
In the meantime here is the link to the game itself. The size listing for Shaq and Edwards comes in the first few minutes.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Aug 15, 2023 13:48:40 GMT -5
Zo was probably 220 tops coming out of HS
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