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Post by bigskyhoya on Aug 13, 2023 16:03:41 GMT -5
Honestly, I think this is a fantastic year one lineup and minutes allocation that should keep everyone happy. Really wish we could add some depth and a couple of frontcourt players with size and bulk that would be happy with one year of scholarship of being a reserve and forego being a rotation player - but that is a really really really hard thing to ask of someone and a hard situation to find where it would actually make sense. If Epps is more of a shooting guard, which seems to be the case, then I find it hard to believe Brumbaugh will only see 20 minutes a game. I think he will almost certainly play more than that if he's the best ball handler on the team. We will see. I hope Mutombo plays more than 10 minutes a game. |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Aug 13, 2023 16:49:08 GMT -5
If Epps is more of a shooting guard, which seems to be the case, then I find it hard to believe Brumbaugh will only see 20 minutes a game. I think he will almost certainly play more than that if he's the best ball handler on the team. We will see. I hope Mutombo plays more than 10 minutes a game. I hope the light switch goes on for him and he makes a leap. We could use frontcourt productivity. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Aug 13, 2023 17:05:15 GMT -5
Kind of bizarre that Coach Thomas posted this less than a week prior to Akok announcing his transfer. Between this video and the Rothstein prediction of Akok starting at center, after watching a Hoyas practice, seems pretty clear the coaching staff was not on the same page as Akok. It’s possible the thought was it would be unfair to the other two guys if they dumped the video. Sure…how do you explain Rothstein predicting Akok would start at center, after he watched a practice? |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 13, 2023 18:33:23 GMT -5
It’s possible the thought was it would be unfair to the other two guys if they dumped the video. Sure…how do you explain Rothstein predicting Akok would start at center, after he watched a practice? The same way I would explain his talking up Styles. He was going with more familiar names from more successful programs. That’s my guess. No way Akok and Ish could be our starting big men. Cook would have to start at the five and those other two would fight it out for PF starter duties. Although Rothstein did say a nice thing or two about Fielder so….who knows? |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 13, 2023 18:35:23 GMT -5
I hope Mutombo plays more than 10 minutes a game. I hope the light switch goes on for him and he makes a leap. We could use frontcourt productivity. Don’t expect a Hibbert leap but nonetheless I am hopeful for a very productive leap. I look forward to him actually getting meaningful minutes. |
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 13, 2023 18:54:55 GMT -5
I hope the light switch goes on for him and he makes a leap. We could use frontcourt productivity. Don’t expect a Hibbert leap but nonetheless I am hopeful for a very productive leap. I look forward to him actually getting meaningful minutes. Henry Sims leap? |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 13, 2023 20:35:10 GMT -5
I hope Mutombo plays more than 10 minutes a game. I hope the light switch goes on for him and he makes a leap. We could use frontcourt productivity. I really feel like perhaps more than any other player on our roster the last two years, that Ewing really failed Mutombo. Mutombo was obviously not ready to play a ton from day one, but last year, when Mutombo did play, he seemed to make contributions even if he was an imperfect player. For that reason, I never understood why Ewing insisted on keeping him nailed to the bench, or why he played Wilson ahead of Mutombo. It made no sense. I think Mutombo could be a really good player for us, especially with real coaching. |
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Post by hoyasaxaphone on Aug 14, 2023 9:04:28 GMT -5
Really nothing Ewing did made much sense........but I agree that Ryan was left to twist in the wind most of the year....while the team racked up loss after loss after loss. Playing Wilson, after demoting and then promoting him from Team Manager was particularly cruel....and incomprehensible. Maybe Ryan wasn't drinking the kool-aid...for good reason. It will be interesting to see what Cooley can get out of Ryan.
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 14, 2023 9:13:20 GMT -5
I hope the light switch goes on for him and he makes a leap. We could use frontcourt productivity. I really fail like perhaps more than any other player on our roster the last two years, that Ewing really failed Mutombo. Mutombo was obviously not ready to play a ton from day one, but last year, when Mutombo did play, he seemed to make contributions even if he was an imperfect player. For that reason, I never understood why Ewing insisted on keeping him nailed to the bench, or why he played Wilson ahead of Mutombo. It made no sense. I think Mutombo could be a really good player for us, especially with real coaching. Weren’t you saying how awesome Wilson was and how he should be getting PT and not be team manager. And then you turnaround and say Wilson should be 4th stringing and shouldn’t be playing. You can’t have it both ways. |
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Post by calhoya on Aug 14, 2023 9:22:03 GMT -5
Time to find out if and to what extent Ryan can contribute. Honestly, while this team is thin in the middle the loss of Akok is unfortunate but probably not all bad. Having a senior take up minutes in what is clearly going to be a rebuilding year is not that great. Already will devote a considerable amount of playing time to two seniors in Cook and Massoud. If Akok stayed there would be even less time for Fielder, Ryan and McKenna. Lots of teams have had great success in recent years without playing a true 5 in the starting lineup. Hoyas will have one true 5 in Cook, though a little undersized, and a good amount of height at all the other positions.
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 14, 2023 9:39:49 GMT -5
Really depends on the personalities and character of the players and if they like each other and are a good fit but I think we have some really good team players who could make some noise if we can get one more big body with size to matchup with teams that have a Clingan/Dixon/Kalkbrenber. Against smaller teams we are okay With Just Cook and Mutombo. But against bigger elite centers we are going to need 15 fouls from our big men instead of 10 fouls. I don’t think Fielder will be able to play center this year. Lacks strength and not sure how much of impact he will have at power forward. It will be a bonus if we can get something from him I would love to know what makes you think Fielder can’t have an impact at any of these positions? How are you determining his level of strength? i He needs to add strength and will fill out eventually. Too skinny right now. Which means he will get pushed around or injured playing center. Didn’t really play in Kenner. That usually is not a good sign for a freshman as they need to reps and competition. You can usually tell if a freshman will contribute freshman year from how they do in Kenner. If you are invisible in Kenner than you likely won’t do much during the season. Also his height is still unconfirmed. Is he 6-9 or 6-11. If he’s 6-9 at that weight hard to play center. If he’s a legit 6-11 with length then he could play stretch 4 center. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Aug 14, 2023 9:55:49 GMT -5
I really fail like perhaps more than any other player on our roster the last two years, that Ewing really failed Mutombo. Mutombo was obviously not ready to play a ton from day one, but last year, when Mutombo did play, he seemed to make contributions even if he was an imperfect player. For that reason, I never understood why Ewing insisted on keeping him nailed to the bench, or why he played Wilson ahead of Mutombo. It made no sense. I think Mutombo could be a really good player for us, especially with real coaching. Weren’t you saying how awesome Wilson was and how he should be getting PT and not be team manager. I suspect what he actually said was that Wilson should not have been kicked off the team in a desperate and futile effort to save the worst coach in history’s job. |
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Aug 14, 2023 10:02:22 GMT -5
‘24-25 will be the year we need to jump back on the map. We will have an outstanding starting guard duo in Epps and Brumbaugh who will likely be paired with a 5th year C in Cook and a 4th year guy in Styles at the 3. We really need to develop McKenna and Fielder as they will be 2 huge pieces to the puzzle next year. If they can both be solid contributors this year and take big leaps next year then we will be looking at a really solid starting 5 a year from now. I’m all for Fielder and McKenna taking their lumps this year if it means we see huge growth next year.
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Aug 14, 2023 10:03:32 GMT -5
‘24-25 will be the year we need to jump back on the map. We will have an outstanding starting guard duo in Epps and Brumbaugh who will likely be paired with a 5th year C in Cook and a 4th year guy in Styles at the 3. We really need to develop McKenna and Fielder as they will be 2 huge pieces to the puzzle next year. If they can both be solid contributors this year and take big leaps next year then we will be looking at a really solid starting 5 a year from now. I’m all for Fielder and McKenna taking their lumps this year if it means we see huge growth next year.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Aug 14, 2023 10:07:02 GMT -5
In a world where players can be bought a week before classes start, there are no certainties about the future, including committed recruits.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 14, 2023 10:34:21 GMT -5
I really fail like perhaps more than any other player on our roster the last two years, that Ewing really failed Mutombo. Mutombo was obviously not ready to play a ton from day one, but last year, when Mutombo did play, he seemed to make contributions even if he was an imperfect player. For that reason, I never understood why Ewing insisted on keeping him nailed to the bench, or why he played Wilson ahead of Mutombo. It made no sense. I think Mutombo could be a really good player for us, especially with real coaching. Weren’t you saying how awesome Wilson was and how he should be getting PT and not be team manager. And then you turnaround and say Wilson should be 4th stringing and shouldn’t be playing. You can’t have it both ways. Professor, with all do respect, you're just making stuff (a more colorful word is probably more fitting but not in line with the rules of this board) up at this point and then responding to arguments I supposedly made, but did not actually make. This is the second time you have done in in the last few days. First, you claimed that I said running off players was bad, unless Pitino did it, which I never said. As I noted previously, I don't think running off players is a good thing. I understand why coaches do it, but I don't like the practice. And I've said this before-- see this post. ("Frankly, Beard/Billingsly leaving did not surprise me, and it would be plausible to me they'd leave on their own. But, I hate seeing a guy like Ighoefe (or Wilson, had he left), presumably 3 years into a Georgetown degree, leave for Cal Baptist, even if he wouldn't have played much anyway.") Now, you are claiming that I said "how awesome Wilson was" and that he "should be getting PT and not be a team manager." This is nonsense. Go back and read what I wrote, rather than just making up fiction. I was very clear that I thought that Ewing's kicking Wilson off the team roster to be a team manager was a poor move, and I did not think it was right for a coach to push a guy off the roster like that if he wanted to stay--especially a senior like Wilson (the same would be true for Ighoefe, if Ewing ran him off). I also recall some Ewing apologists claiming that Wilson may have WANTED to be a team manager, so there was nothing wrong with it. Of course, that was proven to be nonsense by subsequent events when Ewing put him back on the roster. And I never said Wilson was "awesome," because he never was awesome. I do appreciate his dedication as a Hoya and to the team such that he stayed for Ewing's mess, but I never thought he was an "awesome" player. In fact, YOU were the one claiming Wilson wanted to be a team manager, and I responded to it then. See hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/989783/thread. I am sorry your memory may not be good, but please stop claiming I said things I did not say. |
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 14, 2023 10:41:21 GMT -5
Weren’t you saying how awesome Wilson was and how he should be getting PT and not be team manager. And then you turnaround and say Wilson should be 4th stringing and shouldn’t be playing. You can’t have it both ways. Professor, with all do respect, you're just making stuff (a more colorful word is probably more fitting but not in line with the rules of this board) up at this point and then responding to arguments I supposedly made, but did not actually make. This is the second time you have done in in the last few days. First, you claimed that I said running off players was bad, unless Pitino did it, which I never said. As I noted previously, I don't think running off players is a good thing. I understand why coaches do it, but I don't like the practice. And I've said this before-- see this post. Now, you are claiming that I said "how awesome Wilson was" and that he "should be getting PT and not be a team manager." This is nonsense. Go back and read what I wrote, rather than just making up fiction. I was very clear that I thought that Ewing's kicking Wilson off the team roster to be a team manager was a poor move, and I did not think it was right for a coach to push a guy off the roster like that if he wanted to stay--especially a senior like Wilson (the same would be true for Ighoefe, if Ewing ran him off). I also recall some Ewing apologists claiming that Wilson may have WANTED to be a team manager, so there was nothing wrong with it. Of course, that was proven to be nonsense by subsequent events when Ewing put him back on the roster. And I never said Wilson was "awesome," because he never was awesome. I do appreciate his dedication as a Hoya and to the team such that he stayed for Ewing's mess, but I never thought he was an "awesome" player. In fact, YOU were the one claiming Wilson wanted to be a team manager, and I responded to it then. See hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/989783/thread. I am sorry your memory may not be good, but please stop claiming I said things I did not say. You used Wilson and once he was back in the team you discarded him saying he’s fourth string center and shouldn’t be playing ahead of Mutombo. If you truly believe that Wilson is the 4th or even 5th string center on that unit then there was no reason for you to be upset that he was temporarily team manager in order to accommodate Dante Harris’ indecision on whether he was going to transfer or not. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 14, 2023 10:54:26 GMT -5
Professor, with all do respect, you're just making stuff (a more colorful word is probably more fitting but not in line with the rules of this board) up at this point and then responding to arguments I supposedly made, but did not actually make. This is the second time you have done in in the last few days. First, you claimed that I said running off players was bad, unless Pitino did it, which I never said. As I noted previously, I don't think running off players is a good thing. I understand why coaches do it, but I don't like the practice. And I've said this before-- see this post. Now, you are claiming that I said "how awesome Wilson was" and that he "should be getting PT and not be a team manager." This is nonsense. Go back and read what I wrote, rather than just making up fiction. I was very clear that I thought that Ewing's kicking Wilson off the team roster to be a team manager was a poor move, and I did not think it was right for a coach to push a guy off the roster like that if he wanted to stay--especially a senior like Wilson (the same would be true for Ighoefe, if Ewing ran him off). I also recall some Ewing apologists claiming that Wilson may have WANTED to be a team manager, so there was nothing wrong with it. Of course, that was proven to be nonsense by subsequent events when Ewing put him back on the roster. And I never said Wilson was "awesome," because he never was awesome. I do appreciate his dedication as a Hoya and to the team such that he stayed for Ewing's mess, but I never thought he was an "awesome" player. In fact, YOU were the one claiming Wilson wanted to be a team manager, and I responded to it then. See hoyatalk2.proboards.com/post/989783/thread. I am sorry your memory may not be good, but please stop claiming I said things I did not say. You used Wilson and once he was back in the team you discarded him saying he’s fourth string center and shouldn’t be playing ahead of Mutombo. If you truly believe that Wilson is the 4th or even 5th string center on that unit then there was no reason for you to be upset that he was temporarily team manager in order to accommodate Dante Harris’ indecision on whether he was going to transfer or not. Professor, you're just talking nonsense now. I never "used" Wilson, and I never "discarded" him either. Ewing discarded him, literally form the roster. If you have a problem with that talk to your buddy Pat. I have been entirely consistent this whole time. Just because I do not think Wilson was very talented does not mean that it is okay to just discard him from the roster because it's convenient. That's been my consistent position since it happened last year. And your point doesn't make sense either. I do not think players on a scholarship roster for three years should be demoted to team manager simply because it was convenient for Ewing such that he could get another scholarship spot. Even if Wilson was agreeable, it was wrong to do it. And the fact that Ewing restored him to the roster after Harris left, AND played him, makes the Ewing move even more perplexing and (arguably) despicable. If a guy was good enough in Ewing's mind to play minutes, he should have never been demoted to begin with. |
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 14, 2023 10:57:19 GMT -5
You used Wilson and once he was back in the team you discarded him saying he’s fourth string center and shouldn’t be playing ahead of Mutombo. If you truly believe that Wilson is the 4th or even 5th string center on that unit then there was no reason for you to be upset that he was temporarily team manager in order to accommodate Dante Harris’ indecision on whether he was going to transfer or not. Professor, you're just talking nonsense now. I never "used" Wilson, and I never "discarded" him either. Ewing discarded him, literally form the roster. If you have a problem with that talk to your buddy Pat. I have been entirely consistent this whole time. Just because I do not think Wilson was very talented does not mean that it is okay to just discard him from the roster because it's convenient. That's been my consistent position since it happened last year. And your point doesn't make sense either. I do not think players on a scholarship roster for three years should be demoted to team manager simply because it was convenient for Ewing such that he could get another scholarship spot. Even if Wilson was agreeable, it was wrong to do it. And the fact that Ewing restored him to the roster after Harris left, AND him, makes the Ewing move even more perplexing. If a guy was good enough in Ewing's mind to play minutes, he should have never been demoted to begin with. Let’s me ask you this. If you had the choice between having Dante Harris or Malcolm Wilson for your last roster spot, who are you picking? |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 14, 2023 11:01:58 GMT -5
Professor, you're just talking nonsense now. I never "used" Wilson, and I never "discarded" him either. Ewing discarded him, literally form the roster. If you have a problem with that talk to your buddy Pat. I have been entirely consistent this whole time. Just because I do not think Wilson was very talented does not mean that it is okay to just discard him from the roster because it's convenient. That's been my consistent position since it happened last year. And your point doesn't make sense either. I do not think players on a scholarship roster for three years should be demoted to team manager simply because it was convenient for Ewing such that he could get another scholarship spot. Even if Wilson was agreeable, it was wrong to do it. And the fact that Ewing restored him to the roster after Harris left, AND him, makes the Ewing move even more perplexing. If a guy was good enough in Ewing's mind to play minutes, he should have never been demoted to begin with. Let’s me ask you this. If you had the choice between having Dante Harris or Malcolm Wilson for your last roster spot, who are you picking? That is a false choice. Both Dante Harris and Malcom Wilson were on the roster going into last season. So, there would have been no need to dismiss either one if Patrick Ewing managed his roster and recruiting correctly. (I would note that you are dodging the fact that your previous posts have contained false information about my position on both Wilson and running off players.) |
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