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Post by hoyalove4ever on Aug 13, 2023 9:40:01 GMT -5
Moving on: PG: Epps (20) Brumbaugh (20) SG: Heath (28) Epps (12) SF Styles (25) Bristol (15) PF: Massoud (25) Fielder (15) C: Cook (25) Mutombo (10) Fielder (5) McKenna is gonna play With a lineup like that, we need to slash and draw fouls. We are not deep and foul trouble will be an issue for us- but less so if the other teams are in foul trouble. McKenna is a wild card, but he has talent and I expect him to get a chance to play. I do not think he reclassified and committed early to sit. Plus, his shooting ability is something the Hoyas need. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 13, 2023 9:43:45 GMT -5
Losing Akok wouldn't be a big deal if the staff that's yet to be confirmed had brought in more players. It seems like the off-season peaked at the dream scenario of bringing in Dickinson and Moore. Now the hope seems to be that a Kenner League all star can transform into Kolek. Agreed losing Akok itself isn’t a big deal since he can’t play center and is just a 28% floor spacer who can’t box out. However, they should have actively recruited another big even if Akok had stayed. Perhaps they made some minutes promise to Akok but That would mean they were completely blindsided by The West Virginia move. Power forward isn’t the problem because we have Ish, the UNC guy and Fielder. But Center is the problem. Cook while strong is undersized and we aren’t sure how he will do vs big east level centers. Mutombo is a complete question mark. He could give us nothing or be serviceable. But even if serviceable I think he will pick up alot of fouls and be in foul trouble in most games If asked to play too many minutes I don’t see how our current centers can handle Clingan or Dixon or Kalkbrenner. Cook is too small and Mutombo will pick up fouls. We need at least a third center and have centers by committee. I don’t know if Sorber can reclassify but that would really help now that minutes will be available. Some of you live in a world in which basketball is played like it had been 20 plus years ago. As if teams take advantage of quality big men by constantly pounding it into the post. Only the Big Ten plays that style and yes if the Hoyas were in the Big Ten that would be much more of an issue. But a lot of these Big East bigs you are terrorized over are tall dudes who are just as likely to play outside the paint on offense. The awful Hoya team from last season had LESS height. The problem wasn’t necessarily that our guys were fouling out against other bigs (Mutombo barely saw the floor btw), it was that other squads had more reliable big men (and or more talented0 TO GO ALONG with better coaching and a more coordinated perimeter attack. Hey, it’s a shame that Akok Akok left. Even if he was not going to start, he would have provided more quality depth and a whole lot of experience. And, yes, its not a greatlook for Cooley to lose out on a guy like this at the last minute, particularly if it came down to NIL. But other than that I don’t get all the crying. Someone somewhere posted about Akok Akok having a better route to the NBA thru West Virginia. Ge out of here with that nonsense. He is what he is. UConn fans teased us about that before last season. They mentioned that he was a guy who from time to time will look like Mr. Super Potential. But then he would fade and or get injured. He would disappear not just in games but over the span of wees. Isn’t that what happened? May not be fair but my respect for him took a bit of hit seeing him at KL weeks back. I wrote a little about it. He made some errors and blew some opportunities that a man of his height and experience had no reason blowing. He was kind of called out by the DJ of the game and he started moping a bit and kept his head down. And a freakin’ freshman, Rowan, had to get in his ear and gently attempted to keep up his spirits. At least that was my interpretation from the cheap seats. This is the guy wh is our difference maker? Naw. We know who he is at this stage. It was laughable when Jon Rothstein predicted Akok Akok as our starting center for the upcoming season. As for the number of big men...it would be beter if we had five guys that we could surely slide in either and/or the four and five spots. But again we are in an age in which teams play four to five men out. I am good with Cook, Ish, Ryan and Fielder. I am more concerned with the number of guards on scholarship. As much as I like Heath, Epps and Brumbaugh, that is only three by my count. This would mean we would have to slide someone like Bristol to the two spot from time to time. And no to Sorber. Since none of you can provide any evidence that he is willing or eager to skip his senior season, then we should make the assumption that he falls under the clear default of kids who do not want to jump a grade during their high school years. We already have Mckenna. Let Sorber develop at his own pace. Who cares ... At the end of the day, the coaching staff felt he wasn't worth the financial investment. And it's garbage to suggest the university did something for Akok, that they wouldn't do for any other student .. What? You've gotta be kidding me. Have you ever seen the BB players integrated into the G'town community of students academically (said as gently as I can). Have had two family members there for the last 8 years and the BB players with one or two exceptions are a mystery.....And before you huff and puff, they both played sports. Where are those BB players? Not a find in the general academic student body. Not at graduation. Oh yeh, when we go to Capitol arena we see them along with the bulldog and Coach Patrick....Give me a break!!!! Student athletes??? Guess again. This was the second straight season (at least) in which Georgetown‘s men basketball team had such a fantastic showing in this category. That previous year Timothy Ighofe made the list as well. Say, whatever else you want about the Ewing coaching era, but when it came to having guys represent the program well academically speaking there were some very fine results. If the guys did not hang out with the rest of the students much (not many of who are black) that is disappointing but also seems to be a carryover from the Big John regime during which the bball guys were isolated intentionally from everyone else. There is no reason to expect that to continue with Cooley running things considering he is emphasizing campus interaction best by interacting with the undergrads himself. He is setting an example. Regardless of all that, you can label these guys prima donnas all you like, but considering the results of recent years you have no right to ridicule the notion that they are legit student athletes. Get a grip. We are going to get destroyed on the boards. Marquette was last in almost every BE rebounding category and somehow ended up first in the conference. St. John’s was at or near the top in that category (WITHOUT any 7 footers of their own) and did not make the tournament. I can understand why one would think better rebounding correlates with better results but these things can be circumstantial too. Why don’t we wait to see what Cook, Ish, Mutombo and Fielder can do before writing us off on that front? Too much to ask? |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 13, 2023 10:17:49 GMT -5
Losing Akok wouldn't be a big deal if the staff that's yet to be confirmed had brought in more players. It seems like the off-season peaked at the dream scenario of bringing in Dickinson and Moore. Now the hope seems to be that a Kenner League all star can transform into Kolek.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 13, 2023 10:22:33 GMT -5
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Aug 13, 2023 10:26:47 GMT -5
The best posts are the ones that are exceedingly cocky and stupid all at once.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 13, 2023 10:29:26 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 13, 2023 10:41:01 GMT -5
We are going to get destroyed on the boards. I am cautiously optimistic that Mutombo can have a larger role than people are expecting. He’s only two years removed from being a Top 100ish type prospect, and he has the height. He seems like a hard worker, and has a high basketball IQ. Strength is his biggest weakness, but perhaps they can find a way to bulk him up and keep him from getting into foul trouble. His strength seems ok but more concerned with his foot speed and lateral quickness. Realistically right now I think his ceiling for this year is a Matt Nicholson type rotation player. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4702289/matthew-nicholson |
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Post by TC on Aug 13, 2023 10:42:49 GMT -5
Moving on: PG: Epps (20) Brumbaugh (20) SG: Heath (28) Epps (12) SF Styles (25) Bristol (15) PF: Massoud (25) Fielder (15) C: Cook (25) Mutombo (10) Fielder (5) Honestly, I think this is a fantastic year one lineup and minutes allocation that should keep everyone happy. Really wish we could add some depth and a couple of frontcourt players with size and bulk that would be happy with one year of scholarship of being a reserve and forego being a rotation player - but that is a really really really hard thing to ask of someone and a hard situation to find where it would actually make sense. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 13, 2023 10:49:48 GMT -5
Rowan was not one of the most talked about guys in his class on Twitter. Plenty more players got far more hype. But I really could not find anyone who had a bad thing to say about him. Those who saw him play said such glowing things about his game and character. It may turn out that their evaluations don't exactly translate to college play. But I will say this about these gurus: they have seen more prep players and done more evaluations than anyone on Hoya talk, myself included.
There are people here in such disbelief that a four-star guard, a guy who was a RSCI Top 100, could actually turn out to be very good very quickly, as if that is some Comet Halley-type phenomenon. We are talking about a guy whose Final Six schools, when he made his original choice, were Maryland, Miami, Texas, Oregon, Northwestern and Kansas. He had legit offers from all of those programs.
Other schools he received scholarship offers from were:
Wisconsin
Vanderbilt
Cal
Virginia Tech
Xavier
Georgia Tech
Seton Hall
Mississippi State
Butler
San Diego State
Minnesota
DePaul
Penn State
Marquette
Providence
West Virginia
Creighton
Wake Forest
and of course Georgetown.
That is not a slouch list whatsoever.
People, well not all of us, are not expecting big things from him just because of the Kenner league. We have high expectations because of his body of work and his list of accomplishments. That is why I posted a sample of tweets about him. I understand if only a few of us can make it out to the KL. But all of us have the ability at our fingertips to do a bit of research and gain an understanding on why Rowan was actually well thought of by so many.
Let me add that Tyler Kolek was so "highly regarded" coming out of high school that he ended up having to go to George Mason, possibly his best offer, coming out of high school. He turned out okay. I can only imagine what the reaction would have been by Hoya fans if Kolek had chosen Georgetown out of high school and then went on to have an impressive KL. We would not have heard the end of it about how KL play means nothing. And if Kolek had proven them wrong, those same Hoya fans would never own up to it. A fanbase in true disarray.
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 13, 2023 10:55:04 GMT -5
Moving on: PG: Epps (20) Brumbaugh (20) SG: Heath (28) Epps (12) SF Styles (25) Bristol (15) PF: Massoud (25) Fielder (15) C: Cook (25) Mutombo (10) Fielder (5) Honestly, I think this is a fantastic year one lineup and minutes allocation that should keep everyone happy. Really wish we could add some depth and a couple of frontcourt players with size and bulk that would be happy with one year of scholarship of being a reserve and forego being a rotation player - but that is a really really really hard thing to ask of someone and a hard situation to find where it would actually make sense. Really depends on the personalities and character of the players and if they like each other and are a good fit but I think we have some really good team players who could make some noise if we can get one more big body with size to matchup with teams that have a Clingan/Dixon/Kalkbrenber. Against smaller teams we are okay With Just Cook and Mutombo. But against bigger elite centers we are going to need 15 fouls from our big men instead of 10 fouls. I don’t think Fielder will be able to play center this year. Lacks strength and not sure how much of impact he will have at power forward. It will be a bonus if we can get something from him |
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Post by dense on Aug 13, 2023 11:11:48 GMT -5
Losing Akok wouldn't be a big deal if the staff that's yet to be confirmed had brought in more players. It seems like the off-season peaked at the dream scenario of bringing in Dickinson and Moore. Now the hope seems to be that a Kenner League all star can transform into Kolek. Where did Kolek start his career??? George Mason averaging a whopping 10.8ppg and 2.3 asg his only year there. you act as though he was always some blue chip prospect that was obvious. Players can sometime surprise out of nowhere. I saw how Erik Green a former all ACC guard treated him out on that court. He started playing him tough because he saw clearly this kid can play and i cant half-ass it and dominate him. |
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Post by prhoya on Aug 13, 2023 11:35:16 GMT -5
I’m just glad he didn’t waste a year under Patrick Ewing, and made the right decision to go somewhere else and learn. Speaks volumes of Rowan and his family… |
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Post by kghoya on Aug 13, 2023 12:54:17 GMT -5
Losing Akok wouldn't be a big deal if the staff that's yet to be confirmed had brought in more players. It seems like the off-season peaked at the dream scenario of bringing in Dickinson and Moore. Now the hope seems to be that a Kenner League all star can transform into Kolek. Where did Kolek start his career??? George Mason averaging a whopping 10.8ppg and 2.3 asg his only year there. you act as though he was always some blue chip prospect that was obvious. Players can sometime surprise out of nowhere. I saw how Erik Green a former all ACC guard treated him out on that court. He started playing him tough because he saw clearly this kid can play and i cant half-ass it and dominate him. I'm pretty sure Kolek was the A10 Rookie of the Year during the weird covid season. Rowan didn't play competitive basketball last season. It would be asking a lot of any player to go from not playing to having a Kolek like impact right away. This is of course ignoring why some have decided to compare him to Kolek which has nothing to do with actual basketball and just the way guys get compared. |
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Post by dense on Aug 13, 2023 13:23:21 GMT -5
Where did Kolek start his career??? George Mason averaging a whopping 10.8ppg and 2.3 asg his only year there. you act as though he was always some blue chip prospect that was obvious. Players can sometime surprise out of nowhere. I saw how Erik Green a former all ACC guard treated him out on that court. He started playing him tough because he saw clearly this kid can play and i cant half-ass it and dominate him. I'm pretty sure Kolek was the A10 Rookie of the Year during the weird covid season. Rowan didn't play competitive basketball last season. It would be asking a lot of any player to go from not playing to having a Kolek like impact right away. This is of course ignoring why some have decided to compare him to Kolek which has nothing to do with actual basketball and just the way guys get compared. No he actually plays like him it's not the racial component at all. He is a distributor who plays the PnR to pass but can score. He is a better shooter than Kolek was before last year. Also Rowan was a fringe top 100 player, Kolek is from RI he played at Cumberland until his senior season. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 13, 2023 14:31:31 GMT -5
Moving on: PG: Epps (20) Brumbaugh (20) SG: Heath (28) Epps (12) SF Styles (25) Bristol (15) PF: Massoud (25) Fielder (15) C: Cook (25) Mutombo (10) Fielder (5) Honestly, I think this is a fantastic year one lineup and minutes allocation that should keep everyone happy. Really wish we could add some depth and a couple of frontcourt players with size and bulk that would be happy with one year of scholarship of being a reserve and forego being a rotation player - but that is a really really really hard thing to ask of someone and a hard situation to find where it would actually make sense. If Epps is more of a shooting guard, which seems to be the case, then I find it hard to believe Brumbaugh will only see 20 minutes a game. I think he will almost certainly play more than that if he's the best ball handler on the team. We will see. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 13, 2023 14:46:49 GMT -5
I’m just glad he didn’t waste a year under Patrick Ewing, and made the right decision to go somewhere else and learn. Speaks volumes of Rowan and his family… Actually all indications were that he would have chosen Georgetown if the guard recruit from New Jersey had not picked the Hoyas first. The doors closed from Georgetown’s end after that. Fortunately Rowan never got to experience the program’s nadir or he may have very well transferred out after that disaster. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 13, 2023 14:46:59 GMT -5
I’m just glad he didn’t waste a year under Patrick Ewing, and made the right decision to go somewhere else and learn. Speaks volumes of Rowan and his family… Actually all indications were that he would have chosen Georgetown if the guard recruit from New Jersey had not picked the Hoyas first. The doors closed from Georgetown’s end after that. Fortunately Rowan never got to experience the program’s nadir or he may have very well transferred out after that disaster. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Aug 13, 2023 15:21:21 GMT -5
Kind of bizarre that Coach Thomas posted this less than a week prior to Akok announcing his transfer. Between this video and the Rothstein prediction of Akok starting at center, after watching a Hoyas practice, seems pretty clear the coaching staff was not on the same page as Akok.
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 13, 2023 15:58:05 GMT -5
Honestly, I think this is a fantastic year one lineup and minutes allocation that should keep everyone happy. Really wish we could add some depth and a couple of frontcourt players with size and bulk that would be happy with one year of scholarship of being a reserve and forego being a rotation player - but that is a really really really hard thing to ask of someone and a hard situation to find where it would actually make sense. Really depends on the personalities and character of the players and if they like each other and are a good fit but I think we have some really good team players who could make some noise if we can get one more big body with size to matchup with teams that have a Clingan/Dixon/Kalkbrenber. Against smaller teams we are okay With Just Cook and Mutombo. But against bigger elite centers we are going to need 15 fouls from our big men instead of 10 fouls. I don’t think Fielder will be able to play center this year. Lacks strength and not sure how much of impact he will have at power forward. It will be a bonus if we can get something from him I would love to know what makes you think Fielder can’t have an impact at any of these positions? How are you determining his level of strength? |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 13, 2023 16:01:03 GMT -5
Kind of bizarre that Coach Thomas posted this less than a week prior to Akok announcing his transfer. Between this video and the Rothstein prediction of Akok starting at center, after watching a Hoyas practice, seems pretty clear the coaching staff was not on the same page as Akok. It’s possible the thought was it would be unfair to the other two guys if they dumped the video. |
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