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Post by TC on Aug 12, 2023 9:46:10 GMT -5
Both you and 2003 are just guessing. Under 2003s scenario, Akok would likely have to transfer back to UCONN, then graduate from UCONN to grad transfer to West Virginia, etc. NCAA would really frown on the kind of gaming the system and the participants in this would get in deep trouble. Are we guessing? He's graduating somewhere, or else he's not eligible. He's not graduating Georgetown - you posted the rules around that. The NCAA is pro-athletes graduating college and I don't see how this is "gaming the system" - transferring in some portion of credits from somewhere else is a thing that everyone does - athletes and non-athletes. I'm sure he would have to jump through some hoops to do it like re-registering and petitioning UCONN, but if he has the credits, why shouldn't he be able to graduate? These rules exist so that people complete an adequate selection of courses and so that athletes graduate school, not to gatekeep sports rosters. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 12, 2023 10:40:44 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 12, 2023 10:43:56 GMT -5
Both you and 2003 are just guessing. Under 2003s scenario, Akok would likely have to transfer back to UCONN, then graduate from UCONN to grad transfer to West Virginia, etc. NCAA would really frown on the kind of gaming the system and the participants in this would get in deep trouble. Are we guessing? He's graduating somewhere, or else he's not eligible. He's not graduating Georgetown - you posted the rules around that. The NCAA is pro-athletes graduating college and I don't see how this is "gaming the system" - transferring in some portion of credits from somewhere else is a thing that everyone does - athletes and non-athletes. I'm sure he would have to jump through some hoops to do it like re-registering and petitioning UCONN, but if he has the credits, why shouldn't he be able to graduate? These rules exist so that people complete an adequate selection of courses and so that athletes graduate school, not to gatekeep sports rosters. Theo, Given the information we have, It’s one of two scenarios. 1. The Georgetown academic side broke their own rules to allow him to graduate. Perhaps it was pleaded that he was a poor college student that needed to graduate immediately to earn money (at West Virginia) 2. He transfers back to UCONN, they take his transfer credits and graduate him in a day and then he grad transfers to Mr. Luck and West Just two weeks ago he said he was a rising senior so it rules out graduating in the spring. Either way it needs to be investigated. If the problem is on the Georgetown academic side then we need to shore that up so it doesn’t happen again. If it’s on the West Virginia said (aided by UCONN) that needs to be uncovered and the NCAA needs to deal with it. Either way this loop hole needs to be closed because you can’t have someone transferring in late summer (likely for more money) when rosters are already set and there will be difficulty in finding a replacement. A grad transfer deadline would be one of way to close this loophole. If he wanted to leave he should have grabbed a pillow and left in June not late August. Frankly I don’t think he’s a fit for Coach Ed’s system because he’s not a center, shoots 28% from 3, and can’t box out. But that should have happened back In June and not now when a serviceable replacement is going to be difficult to find. |
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Post by TC on Aug 12, 2023 10:54:20 GMT -5
If he wanted to leave he should have grabbed a pillow and left in June not late August. If he could have he might have. He may not have had the credits or the degree at that point. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Aug 12, 2023 11:20:34 GMT -5
One doesn't need to quote sources to know that Akok Akok was neither the present nor the future of this roster. Like far too many of the short-term adds of Patrick Ewing and his staff, Akok was a spot player with a limited upside due to injury. Supreme Cook will fill much of this role as a grad transfer, as a prelude to Thomas Sorber. There are a number of players to whom the transfer portal did not yield a landing. Don't think for a moment that Cooley and his staff haven't done its homework on some options here. ...but what options at this point is my concern. I don't doubt that we're not surprised by this result but unless there is some kid out there leaving their current program like Akok (and maybe there is) there is little to nothing in the Portal at this point at the 4... |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Aug 12, 2023 12:27:08 GMT -5
If GU broke its own academic rules to give Akok a degree, it would be a travesty. |
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Post by hoyasaxaphone on Aug 12, 2023 14:47:59 GMT -5
College basketball IS a TRAVESTY.....and Georgetown "bends the rules" all the time to admit college basketball recruits so why not facilitate their graduation in the land of the transfer portal? There are no standards anymore .... including for Georgetown when it comes to the basketball program. I wonder what classes Graduate transfers take? And how many? Does anyone care? Gosh....we just pay the players these days....until they decide to go somewhere else for more $$$.
It is far t0o much to assume that Georgetown would not break (or suspend) its academic rules for the basketball program. I wish it were different but it is not. So who cares how Akok threaded the needle to graduate and collect some more $$$........other than it debases the Georgetown degree that many of us hold. But that goes on anyway.
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Post by prhoya on Aug 12, 2023 15:09:44 GMT -5
College basketball IS a TRAVESTY.....and Georgetown "bends the rules" all the time to admit college basketball recruits so why not facilitate their graduation in the land of the transfer portal? There are no standards anymore .... including for Georgetown when it comes to the basketball program. I wonder what classes Graduate transfers take? And how many? Does anyone care? Gosh....we just pay the players these days....until they decide to go somewhere else for more $$$. It is far t0o much to assume that Georgetown would not break (or suspend) its academic rules for the basketball program. I wish it were different but it is not. So who cares how Akok threaded the needle to graduate and collect some more $$$........other than it debases the Georgetown degree that many of us hold. But that goes on anyway. Are you saying someone should ask open-book Cooley?  |
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 12, 2023 16:19:49 GMT -5
College basketball IS a TRAVESTY.....and Georgetown "bends the rules" all the time to admit college basketball recruits so why not facilitate their graduation in the land of the transfer portal? There are no standards anymore .... including for Georgetown when it comes to the basketball program. I wonder what classes Graduate transfers take? And how many? Does anyone care? Gosh....we just pay the players these days....until they decide to go somewhere else for more $$$. It is far t0o much to assume that Georgetown would not break (or suspend) its academic rules for the basketball program. I wish it were different but it is not. So who cares how Akok threaded the needle to graduate and collect some more $$$........other than it debases the Georgetown degree that many of us hold. But that goes on anyway. "It's a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham." -- Fielding Mellish |
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Post by Omega on Aug 12, 2023 16:48:53 GMT -5
Who cares ... At the end of the day, the coaching staff felt he wasn't worth the financial investment.
And it's garbage to suggest the university did something for Akok, that they wouldn't do for any other student ..
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Post by daveg023 on Aug 12, 2023 16:55:59 GMT -5
Yea I don’t really get the travesty here. There’s been smoke here for a while and clearly it involved sorting out the academic situation. Akok Akok will not be making or breaking the hopeful rebirth of this program under Cooley.
Sure he’d help us next year at a position of need, but let’s not pretend like we are losing an All-BE player here. The timing sucks, but I assume the staff was aware of this possibility for a while, and thus the comments about worry about the front court. I can’t remember a guy like Akok playing under Cooley, so perhaps the internal desire to keep him and/or conversations how he’d be used are a factor here.
They let the kid go to a situation he preferred and didn’t stand in the way. If that meant helping him sort out his credit situation, I applaud the staff as opposed to condemning them.
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Post by thedragon on Aug 12, 2023 17:16:55 GMT -5
Moving on:
PG: Epps (20) Brumbaugh (20)
SG: Heath (28) Epps (12)
SF Styles (25) Bristol (15)
PF: Massoud (25) Fielder (15)
C: Cook (25) Mutombo (10) Fielder (5)
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Post by kghoya on Aug 12, 2023 18:16:14 GMT -5
Losing Akok wouldn't be a big deal if the staff that's yet to be confirmed had brought in more players.
It seems like the off-season peaked at the dream scenario of bringing in Dickinson and Moore. Now the hope seems to be that a Kenner League all star can transform into Kolek.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 12, 2023 19:36:31 GMT -5
College basketball IS a TRAVESTY.....and Georgetown "bends the rules" all the time to admit college basketball recruits so why not facilitate their graduation in the land of the transfer portal? There are no standards anymore .... including for Georgetown when it comes to the basketball program. I wonder what classes Graduate transfers take? And how many? Does anyone care? Gosh....we just pay the players these days....until they decide to go somewhere else for more $$$. What are the rules Georgetown is supposedly bending? There are essentially three tiers for athletic admission: 1. Men's Basketball (maybe women's basketball as well): accept to NCAA minimum, with additional scrutiny if the coaches offer someone below that. 2. Most Other Sports: recruit within a range to standard admissions with additional scrutiny if the coaches offer someone below that. 3. Football: Fixed SAT and grade parameters per the Patriot League, which contributes mightily to its record. Grad transfers take full time courses specific to their degree plan--some in the graduate school, some to business (MBA), still others if they if they go through SCS. The graduation rates for grad students in the Ewing era mirrored the undergraduate segment as well: two graduates (Trey Dickerson, Terrell Allen), one quit/disappeared (Jalen Harris), one transferred (Don Carey, and he didn't graduate at Maryland either) and the rest left without finishing (Chudier Bile, Kaiden Rice, Bryson Mozone). Maybe they'll be back, though for most, we'll never hear from them again. More to the point, grad transfers get a year to play ball and it's up to them if they possess the maturity to take advantage of the opportunity. Ewing's recruits were generally unsatisfactory in this expectation, it remains to be seen of Cooley's recruits express a desire to get that MA or simply to play out the string. |
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 12, 2023 19:45:39 GMT -5
Losing Akok wouldn't be a big deal if the staff that's yet to be confirmed had brought in more players. It seems like the off-season peaked at the dream scenario of bringing in Dickinson and Moore. Now the hope seems to be that a Kenner League all star can transform into Kolek. Agreed losing Akok itself isn’t a big deal since he can’t play center and is just a 28% floor spacer who can’t box out. However, they should have actively recruited another big even if Akok had stayed. Perhaps they made some minutes promise to Akok but That would mean they were completely blindsided by The West Virginia move. Power forward isn’t the problem because we have Ish, the UNC guy and Fielder. But Center is the problem. Cook while strong is undersized and we aren’t sure how he will do vs big east level centers. Mutombo is a complete question mark. He could give us nothing or be serviceable. But even if serviceable I think he will pick up alot of fouls and be in foul trouble in most games If asked to play too many minutes I don’t see how our current centers can handle Clingan or Dixon or Kalkbrenner. Cook is too small and Mutombo will pick up fouls. We need at least a third center and have centers by committee. I don’t know if Sorber can reclassify but that would really help now that minutes will be available. |
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Post by conshyhoya on Aug 12, 2023 20:40:05 GMT -5
Moving on: PG: Epps (20) Brumbaugh (20) SG: Heath (28) Epps (12) SF Styles (25) Bristol (15) PF: Massoud (25) Fielder (15) C: Cook (25) Mutombo (10) Fielder (5) So still no McKenna? I can't see him redshirting. They have 10 scholarship players and I guess 3 walk-ons. He just played well enough in Kenner and if they have to play small he is at least 6'6" or 6'7". |
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Post by bearsandbulls on Aug 12, 2023 23:35:02 GMT -5
Who cares ... At the end of the day, the coaching staff felt he wasn't worth the financial investment. And it's garbage to suggest the university did something for Akok, that they wouldn't do for any other student .. What? You've gotta be kidding me. Have you ever seen the BB players integrated into the G'town community of students academically (said as gently as I can). Have had two family members there for the last 8 years and the BB players with one or two exceptions are a mystery.....And before you huff and puff, they both played sports. Where are those BB players? Not a find in the general academic student body. Not at graduation. Oh yeh, when we go to Capitol arena we see them along with the bulldog and Coach Patrick....Give me a break!!!! Student athletes??? Guess again. |
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Post by dense on Aug 13, 2023 5:42:07 GMT -5
Moving on: PG: Epps (20) Brumbaugh (20) SG: Heath (28) Epps (12) SF Styles (25) Bristol (15) PF: Massoud (25) Fielder (15) C: Cook (25) Mutombo (10) Fielder (5) McKenna is gonna play |
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Post by hoyaboya on Aug 13, 2023 8:01:56 GMT -5
Moving on: PG: Epps (20) Brumbaugh (20) SG: Heath (28) Epps (12) SF Styles (25) Bristol (15) PF: Massoud (25) Fielder (15) C: Cook (25) Mutombo (10) Fielder (5) McKenna is gonna play We are going to get destroyed on the boards. |
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Post by daveg023 on Aug 13, 2023 9:21:35 GMT -5
We are going to get destroyed on the boards. I am cautiously optimistic that Mutombo can have a larger role than people are expecting. He’s only two years removed from being a Top 100ish type prospect, and he has the height. He seems like a hard worker, and has a high basketball IQ. Strength is his biggest weakness, but perhaps they can find a way to bulk him up and keep him from getting into foul trouble. |
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