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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 23:35:58 GMT -5
Tim has always been very mobile for his size, the issue was he didn’t always know where to move to! Hopefully that changes this year. Ryan looks very strong for a freshman. I think he’ll handle the size of the college game just fine from a strength perspective. It’s all going to be about whether or not he can stay in front of smaller forwards. Idk Sonogo looked strong for a Freshman. Ryan looks average to me. Do you think he’s strong enough to bang with Obiagu, Watson, Soriano, Sonogo etc? There's some big physical kids in this league and in hs he didn’t face a lot of kids like that. I think it’s an open question and time will tell if he’s ready to take on that challenge. Going against Tim should help him but those kids are next level and go hard on the glass.
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Post by wsdhoya on Oct 19, 2021 23:39:42 GMT -5
Ryan is definitely athletic just from watching his highlight tapes. The only advantage I'd give Tim is physicality. I know it's just practice but that video of Tim getting beat so badly on that pump fake from Ryan does not speak very well for his defense and quickness. Hoya fans making a big deal on him biting on a pump fake in a 15 second hype tape has to be one of the more bizarre things I’ve seen lately. Lol.. Tim is more athletic than Ryan. If you don’t think so I’d suggest you watch him in an actual game. Also remember you’re watching Tim vs HM athletes and you’re watching Ryan vs players who are not. Athleticism is only one part of the game though I went back and watched some tape and Tim is more athletic than I had remembered. He can be a little out of control with some of his movements but hopefully a full offseason and fall practice helps him to move more like a strong center. I hope Pat doesn’t play small during the out of conference when we’re playing smaller teams just because he can get away with it then. Come Big East play there are some real bruisers that we need to find a way to compete against on the low block.
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Post by trillesthoya on Oct 20, 2021 0:34:02 GMT -5
Tim has always been very mobile for his size, the issue was he didn’t always know where to move to! Hopefully that changes this year. Ryan looks very strong for a freshman. I think he’ll handle the size of the college game just fine from a strength perspective. It’s all going to be about whether or not he can stay in front of smaller forwards. Idk Sonogo looked strong for a Freshman. Ryan looks average to me. Do you think he’s strong enough to bang with Obiagu, Watson, Soriano, Sonogo etc? There's some big physical kids in this league and in hs he didn’t face a lot of kids like that. I think it’s an open question and time will tell if he’s ready to take on that challenge. Going against Tim should help him but those kids are next level and go hard on the glass. He’s allegedly 250 lbs and looks stronger from the team’s recent posts compared to HS. Doesn’t necessarily look that much skinnier than Q did last season (and certainly looks stronger than Q did as a freshman). Would need to probably see Ryan in game time before I can say either way, but 7 ft 250lbs is more than enough not to get bullied down low. Tim will obviously be the muscle on this year’s team but to be fair most of us were clamoring for King to play center who would’ve had a much more difficult time handling the bigs you mentioned.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 2:44:07 GMT -5
Idk Sonogo looked strong for a Freshman. Ryan looks average to me. Do you think he’s strong enough to bang with Obiagu, Watson, Soriano, Sonogo etc? There's some big physical kids in this league and in hs he didn’t face a lot of kids like that. I think it’s an open question and time will tell if he’s ready to take on that challenge. Going against Tim should help him but those kids are next level and go hard on the glass. He’s allegedly 250 lbs and looks stronger from the team’s recent posts compared to HS. Doesn’t necessarily look that much skinnier than Q did last season (and certainly looks stronger than Q did as a freshman). Would need to probably see Ryan in game time before I can say either way, but 7 ft 250lbs is more than enough not to get bullied down low. Tim will obviously be the muscle on this year’s team but to be fair most of us were clamoring for King to play center who would’ve had a much more difficult time handling the bigs you mentioned. They look about the same to me tbh. It’s more about leg/lower half strength than upper body strength to be able to body up and hold position imo. Q always played to contact also, and despite not being the strongest guy in the gym he played physical. King is a grown man but you would have the same concerns with him. Difference is you're hoping to make up for what you lose on defense with what you gain on offense.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Oct 20, 2021 8:19:42 GMT -5
Plus, length helps in Ryan’s case.
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Post by dchoya72 on Oct 20, 2021 8:34:19 GMT -5
I think the guys being around each other and training together will help them play better collectively. We will see soon enough what they've got indìvidually and collectively. I hope it is impressive. I hope Tim has matured a little is more relaxed. He seemed so hyped last year. On the other hard, I hope Malcolm steps up. I believe he's more of a defensive stopper and rebounder, and that is good. I hope he has picked up a go to shot; I hope that is a skyhook, that never comes below his shoulders.
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Post by kbones17 on Nov 26, 2021 13:13:39 GMT -5
Reviving this thread on lineups. Does anyone have the analytics access that can tell us the points per possession stats on different lineup combinations?
I’d like to see us try a Harris-Carey-Riley-Mohammed-Billingsley lineup and go full court pressure.
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Post by hoyaguy on Nov 26, 2021 15:50:02 GMT -5
Reviving this thread on lineups. Does anyone have the analytics access that can tell us the points per possession stats on different lineup combinations? I’d like to see us try a Harris-Carey-Riley-Mohammed-Billingsley lineup and go full court pressure. I agree that the lineup you state could give us something better, as going without a 5 should be a realistic option being worked on as we speak if we want to win games against teams that have mobility there
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Post by hoyaguy on Nov 30, 2021 21:41:17 GMT -5
Would be shocked if this was ever a starting line up from Ewing but: Dante Carey Aminu Holloway JBill
Starting Rice just doesn't seem like a good idea especially if he is patchy on defense because early runs by others teams happen so often already in the era
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Post by wponds on Nov 30, 2021 22:09:12 GMT -5
Would be shocked if this was ever a starting line up from Ewing but: Dante Carey Aminu Holloway JBill Starting Rice just doesn't seem like a good idea especially if he is patchy on defense because early runs by others teams happen so often already in the era Doubt we see that to start games, but definitely hope we see more of it. I know this SC game is Kaiden's homecoming, but.. I'd like to see this be Holloway's opportunity to join the starting line up and bring Kaiden off the bench. Clearly need to mix up the starters IMO. Kaiden can still get a lot of PT, but I'd prefer it as the leader of the 2nd unit.
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Post by kbones17 on Nov 30, 2021 23:08:44 GMT -5
Would be shocked if this was ever a starting line up from Ewing but: Dante Carey Aminu Holloway JBill Starting Rice just doesn't seem like a good idea especially if he is patchy on defense because early runs by others teams happen so often already in the era Doubt we see that to start games, but definitely hope we see more of it. I know this SC game is Kaiden's homecoming, but.. I'd like to see this be Holloway's opportunity to join the starting line up and bring Kaiden off the bench. Clearly need to mix up the starters IMO. Kaiden can still get a lot of PT, but I'd prefer it as the leader of the 2nd unit. I’d like to see this lineup too, and to press out of it. I don’t know why PE only seems to press when we are losing. I don’t get it. Be aggressive, set the tone.
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Post by hoyaguy on Nov 30, 2021 23:18:25 GMT -5
Doubt we see that to start games, but definitely hope we see more of it. I know this SC game is Kaiden's homecoming, but.. I'd like to see this be Holloway's opportunity to join the starting line up and bring Kaiden off the bench. Clearly need to mix up the starters IMO. Kaiden can still get a lot of PT, but I'd prefer it as the leader of the 2nd unit. I’d like to see this lineup too, and to press out of it. I don’t know why PE only seems to press when we are losing. I don’t get it. Be aggressive, set the tone. Yes like gotta make teams esp slower ones play at our pace and tone
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Post by vv83 on Nov 30, 2021 23:39:21 GMT -5
Our half court D is so bad - pressing more often can't be that much worse. Use the 3/4 press often, designed to use up time on the shot clock more than to generate a lot of turnovers. The less time our half court D needs to defend, the less opportunity offenses will have to break it down for wide open 3s or easy shots at the rim. Then mix in the ultra aggressive full court press to generate energy, unnerve the opposition, and just to give teams a different look. We have some depth - get the bench a little more time to keep everyone fresh while pressing more, while also getting the young guys a little more experience. If a team proves they can rip right through our full court press consistently - fine, back off from the ultra aggressive press. But try it for significant stretches in the first half of each game. What have you got to lose, when the alternative seems to be a pretty steady stream of open 3 point shots for the opposition?
Simply sitting back in our half court defense almost all the time is not going to be a recipe for success unless the execution improves dramatically. We have not played consistently sound half court D under Ewing except for maybe a month last February/march (with a few real clunkers mixed in with some good defensive performances). Maybe this team can improve enough to eventually be competent at half court D. But in the meantime, a healthy mix of "eat up shot clock" 3/ 4 court and aggressive full court pressing would seem like a good formula to try to produce at least marginally better defensive results.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 1, 2021 11:53:16 GMT -5
I enjoyed seeing the two Power Forward lineup with Holloway and Billingsly. Obviously the defense needs a lot of work for that group but it allowed us to switch everything which in the long run can be beneficial. I was surprised we didn't see any Kobe in the second to give either of those guys a breather, especially after some defensive breakdowns. If Tim is out a long time, I expect we will be going small more often and that will open things up across the court.
That said, as MCI mentioned in the game thread, Timmy is still an asset. Yeah he doesnt have 1 on 1 offensive game but he can finish and defend. If he's healthy, I still think he should be getting at least half the minutes at the 5.
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Post by kbones17 on Dec 1, 2021 12:34:54 GMT -5
Our half court D is so bad - pressing more often can't be that much worse. Use the 3/4 press often, designed to use up time on the shot clock more than to generate a lot of turnovers. The less time our half court D needs to defend, the less opportunity offenses will have to break it down for wide open 3s or easy shots at the rim. Then mix in the ultra aggressive full court press to generate energy, unnerve the opposition, and just to give teams a different look. We have some depth - get the bench a little more time to keep everyone fresh while pressing more, while also getting the young guys a little more experience. If a team proves they can rip right through our full court press consistently - fine, back off from the ultra aggressive press. But try it for significant stretches in the first half of each game. What have you got to lose, when the alternative seems to be a pretty steady stream of open 3 point shots for the opposition? Simply sitting back in our half court defense almost all the time is not going to be a recipe for success unless the execution improves dramatically. We have not played consistently sound half court D under Ewing except for maybe a month last February/march (with a few real clunkers mixed in with some good defensive performances). Maybe this team can improve enough to eventually be competent at half court D. But in the meantime, a healthy mix of "eat up shot clock" 3/ 4 court and aggressive full court pressing would seem like a good formula to try to produce at least marginally better defensive results. 100% this^^^^^^^^. This team was made for forcing pressure. Honestly it may be the only thing we could excel at against high major teams.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 20:27:54 GMT -5
Amazing to think that any of the following players could've theoretically been our starting PF this year:
Walker Leblanc Alexander Carter Pickett Bile Williams Sibley King Rice Holloway Billingsley Clark
And we're still not sure what we're doing there yet.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 1, 2021 20:34:38 GMT -5
Amazing to think that any of the following players could've theoretically been our starting PF this year: Walker Leblanc Alexander Carter Pickett Bile Williams Sibley King Rice Holloway Billingsley Clark And we're still not sure what we're doing there yet. Guess Pat isn't trying
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Post by kbones17 on Dec 3, 2021 16:53:32 GMT -5
Our half court D is so bad - pressing more often can't be that much worse. Use the 3/4 press often, designed to use up time on the shot clock more than to generate a lot of turnovers. The less time our half court D needs to defend, the less opportunity offenses will have to break it down for wide open 3s or easy shots at the rim. Then mix in the ultra aggressive full court press to generate energy, unnerve the opposition, and just to give teams a different look. We have some depth - get the bench a little more time to keep everyone fresh while pressing more, while also getting the young guys a little more experience. If a team proves they can rip right through our full court press consistently - fine, back off from the ultra aggressive press. But try it for significant stretches in the first half of each game. What have you got to lose, when the alternative seems to be a pretty steady stream of open 3 point shots for the opposition? Simply sitting back in our half court defense almost all the time is not going to be a recipe for success unless the execution improves dramatically. We have not played consistently sound half court D under Ewing except for maybe a month last February/march (with a few real clunkers mixed in with some good defensive performances). Maybe this team can improve enough to eventually be competent at half court D. But in the meantime, a healthy mix of "eat up shot clock" 3/ 4 court and aggressive full court pressing would seem like a good formula to try to produce at least marginally better defensive results. 100% this^^^^^^^^. This team was made for forcing pressure. Honestly it may be the only thing we could excel at against high major teams. Bump on this. Without Tim for a while I’m really hoping to see more pressing. Our half court offense and defense will be rough, so let’s speed everything up, use our depth and be aggressive!!
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Post by southernhoyafan on Dec 3, 2021 17:35:17 GMT -5
Amazing to think that any of the following players could've theoretically been our starting PF this year: Walker Leblanc Alexander Carter Pickett Bile Williams Sibley King Rice Holloway Billingsley Clark And we're still not sure what we're doing there yet.
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Post by southernhoyafan on Dec 3, 2021 17:44:20 GMT -5
Of the following names, I would challenge you to go to the websites of the teams of these players and look at their performance (starters, point, rebounds, assist, etc.) since leaving Georgetown and then tell me if you would still want these players on your team because you think they could get the job done. Keep in mind, that some of these guys have transferred multiple times since leaving Georgetown. They are probably playing against lesser competition than they were in the Big East. Antwan Walker, Josh LeBlanc Sr, Grayson Carter, Sibley, Galen Alexander... Hell also take a look at what T.J. Berger is doing. I am willing to bet that you would come back and say that maybe it was a good idea for these guys to transfer so that it open up scholarships for guys who can play.
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