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Post by BeantownHoya on Jul 26, 2024 17:29:50 GMT -5
good god - when does the season start already - then at least we can argue over how many wins per potentially fictional Fanta bucks millions Cooley needs to make people happy Agree can the Cooley argument be moved anywhere else but this thread...I keep thinking there is potential news every time something is posted here... |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 27, 2024 15:46:46 GMT -5
Goodman's version: That $4.5M was close. Good for Goodman... I have been saying all along that it would not have made sense for Cooley to leave for the money, given how good his situation was in Providence (likely NCAA roster last year, comfortable, hometown, hero, would never get fired, likely would have continued getting raises at Providence, no need to rebuild, etc.). If the monetary difference really is $500,000 a year, that's closer to $250,000 after taxes. While that difference per year might be meaningful to all of us on here who don't make millions anually, it's not life-changing money for someone who has already been making life-changing money for over a decade. |
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Post by prhoya on Jul 27, 2024 17:28:48 GMT -5
Goodman's version: That $4.5M was close. Good for Goodman... I have been saying all along that it would not have made sense for Cooley to leave for the money, given how good his situation was in Providence (likely NCAA roster last year, comfortable, hometown, hero, would never get fired, likely would have continued getting raises at Providence, no need to rebuild, etc.). If the monetary difference really is $500,000 a year, that's closer to $250,000 after taxes. While that difference per year might be meaningful to all of us on here who don't make millions anually, it's not life-changing money for someone who has already been making life-changing money for over a decade. So what are you saying? đ |
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Post by 78HOYA78 on Jul 30, 2024 12:53:38 GMT -5
I read that he had a connection with Coach John Thompson due to events of 9-11. Coach Cooley was supposed to be on one of planes that was attacked. He accepted the position for a reason.
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Post by sportsastroguy on Jul 30, 2024 15:28:23 GMT -5
I read that he had a connection with Coach John Thompson due to events of 9-11. Coach Cooley was supposed to be on one of planes that was attacked. He accepted the position for a reason. As soon as it was chatter about Cooley possibly coming to GU I thought about the story that ED told about John Thompson and I felt like it was a a bit of a karmic debt being paid for lack of better usage of the phrase Thompson inadvertently saved his life. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 30, 2024 15:55:26 GMT -5
I read that he had a connection with Coach John Thompson due to events of 9-11. Coach Cooley was supposed to be on one of planes that was attacked. He accepted the position for a reason. As soon as it was chatter about Cooley possibly coming to GU I thought about the story that ED told about John Thompson and I felt like it was a a bit of a karmic debt being paid for lack of better usage of the phrase Thompson inadvertently saved his life. John Thompson was booked on AA Flight 77 (IAD to LAX) and changed it to accommodate a side trip he wanted to make to Las Vegas. Ed Cooley booked a seat to Los Angeles on AA Flight 11 (BOS-LAX) to recruit Brandon Bowman to Boston College. When Bowman committed to the Hoyas on August 24, he cancelled the in-home visit by BC. According to Seth Davis, Cooley's advance purchase ticket was September 11. According to Andy Katz, Cooley's original flight was on September 10. www.espn.com/ncb/s/2001/0911/1250598.html |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 30, 2024 15:59:44 GMT -5
As soon as it was chatter about Cooley possibly coming to GU I thought about the story that ED told about John Thompson and I felt like it was a a bit of a karmic debt being paid for lack of better usage of the phrase Thompson inadvertently saved his life. John Thompson was booked on AA Flight 77 (IAD to LAX) and changed it to accommodate a side trip he wanted to make to Las Vegas. Ed Cooley booked a seat to Los Angeles on AA Flight 11 (BOS-LAX) to recruit Brandon Bowman to Boston College. When Bowman committed to the Hoyas on August 24, he cancelled the in-home visit by BC. According to Seth Davis, Cooley's advance purchase ticket was September 11. According to Andy Katz, Cooley's original flight was on September 10. www.espn.com/ncb/s/2001/0911/1250598.htmlRight. I donât think the two were related. After all, John Thompson wasnât even the coach anymore at the time though maybe he had a side role in recruiting Bowman. |
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Post by sportsastroguy on Jul 31, 2024 10:18:28 GMT -5
John Thompson was booked on AA Flight 77 (IAD to LAX) and changed it to accommodate a side trip he wanted to make to Las Vegas. Ed Cooley booked a seat to Los Angeles on AA Flight 11 (BOS-LAX) to recruit Brandon Bowman to Boston College. When Bowman committed to the Hoyas on August 24, he cancelled the in-home visit by BC. According to Seth Davis, Cooley's advance purchase ticket was September 11. According to Andy Katz, Cooley's original flight was on September 10. www.espn.com/ncb/s/2001/0911/1250598.htmlRight. I donât think the two were related. After all, John Thompson wasnât even the coach anymore at the time though maybe he had a side role in recruiting Bowman. I'm going by what Cooley said himself about what happened and that he said Thompson said jokingly that Cooley owed him. JT wasn't coaching but called Ed close to 911 to tell him not to bother bc GU got [unnamed recruit] something most coaches wouldn't bother to do that. That's what Ed said. But I wasn't there. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 31, 2024 10:36:59 GMT -5
I'm going by what Cooley said himself about what happened and that he said Thompson said jokingly that Cooley owed him. JT wasn't coaching but called Ed close to 911 to tell him not to bother bc GU got [unnamed recruit] something most coaches wouldn't bother to do that. That's what Ed said. But I wasn't there. Brandon Bowman committed to Georgetown on or before August 23, 2001. When Cooley found out is speculation, but certainly before Aug. 23 and likely by Bowman himself. www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/archives/archive0801.htm#62 |
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Post by sportsastroguy on Jul 31, 2024 11:47:03 GMT -5
I'm going by what Cooley said himself about what happened and that he said Thompson said jokingly that Cooley owed him. JT wasn't coaching but called Ed close to 911 to tell him not to bother bc GU got [unnamed recruit] something most coaches wouldn't bother to do that. That's what Ed said. But I wasn't there. Brandon Bowman committed to Georgetown on or before August 23, 2001. When Cooley found out is speculation, but certainly before Aug. 23 and likely by Bowman himself. www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/archives/archive0801.htm#62 cool. Maybe he lied or misremembered. |
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Jul 31, 2024 14:14:16 GMT -5
The current state letâs be honest is dead . It was hard before now the alumni donât care want spend. Itâs now over with May make occasional nit.canât compete if want pay good players.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 31, 2024 15:29:09 GMT -5
The current state letâs be honest is dead . It was hard before now the alumni donât care want spend. Itâs now over with May make occasional nit.canât compete if want pay good players. We have a lot of young talent and may be on the verge of getting another young talented center, and yet you are negative. That's the Hoya Spirit! I would not even consider myself very optimisitc about this coming season and was disappointd by the lack of additional transfers, but the potential of adding Halaifonua and seeing the freshman class otherwise has me interested and excited to see us play again. One of my favorite things about college sports is that you never know who could blow up and be better than expected. Granted, Georgetown hasn't had that happen in over a decade (Otto Porter sophomore year), but it could happen! If there is any time for optimisim it's the pre-season period, and we are already in August, guys will start classes at the end of the month, and likely start organized practices (which I am sure they are doing already). Let's be hopeful! Or at least I will try to be until the team gives me a reason not to be. |
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Post by calhoya on Jul 31, 2024 15:47:43 GMT -5
The current state letâs be honest is dead . It was hard before now the alumni donât care want spend. Itâs now over with May make occasional nit.canât compete if want pay good players. We have a lot of young talent and may be on the verge of getting another young talented center, and yet you are negative. That's the Hoya Spirit! I would not even consider myself very optimisitc about this coming season and was disappointd by the lack of additional transfers, but the potential of adding Halaifonua and seeing the freshman class otherwise has me interested and excited to see us play again. One of my favorite things about college sports is that you never know who could blow up and be better than expected. Granted, Georgetown hasn't had that happen in over a decade (Otto Porter sophomore year), but it could happen! If there is any time for optimisim it's the pre-season period, and we are already in August, guys will start classes at the end of the month, and likely start organized practices (which I am sure they are doing already). Let's be hopeful! Or at least I will try to be until the team gives me a reason not to be. Agree with this. Plenty of time to be depressed. Cooley has not had a great start to his tenure on the Hilltop. He's not going anywhere though--at least not in the immediate future. So let's give him a chance to prove he can coach this group up and hopefully they will mature and gel quickly. Always excited for the upcoming season --at least until the first loss to a mid-major, like Loyola or American. |
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 31, 2024 19:12:58 GMT -5
The current state letâs be honest is dead . It was hard before now the alumni donât care want spend. Itâs now over with May make occasional nit.canât compete if want pay good players. hate to be snarky, but what the hell language is this? |
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Post by hsaxon on Jul 31, 2024 21:24:24 GMT -5
The current state letâs be honest is dead . It was hard before now the alumni donât care want spend. Itâs now over with May make occasional nit.canât compete if want pay good players. Until proven otherwise, we are the second-worst program in the BE. |
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Post by hsaxon on Jul 31, 2024 21:30:48 GMT -5
"We are now DePaul . . . or worse!" Sorry but I can't let this stand! DePaul we are not! That we are in the same sentence as DePaul without at least 5 other teams named between us is an ongoing bad sign. We were VERY lucky to win each of the DePaul games last season. |
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Post by madgesiq92 on Aug 1, 2024 6:06:23 GMT -5
We've dropped into the "prove it before we believe it" prognostication bucket. Can't say I disagree. another embarrassing post. This may be the worst fan board in division 1. How anyone can look at what Cooley has done this off-season with anything but unbridled optimism for the program âs Future is Mind-boggling |
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Post by sportsastroguy on Aug 1, 2024 7:15:06 GMT -5
Sorry but I can't let this stand! DePaul we are not! That we are in the same sentence as DePaul without at least 5 other teams named between us is an ongoing bad sign. We were VERY lucky to win each of the DePaul games last season. DePaul was very lucky to lose both games last season. |
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 1, 2024 9:16:16 GMT -5
Great thread to revine with a major recruit on campus. How dumb can we all be?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 1, 2024 11:11:24 GMT -5
Until proven otherwise, we are the second-worst program in the BE. I will never understand what possesses someone to not post for two weeks, then come on and post 5 negative comments, most of which are basically the same thing, and then leave. Especially when things are trending up. Here's the state of the program / coaching based on what I think we need to do to win. It's impossible to tease those two out. STRATEGIC- Evaluate Talent: This is an incomplete. Recruiting gurus like our freshman and transfer class, but we need to see how good they are. The original transfer class was somewhere between mediocre to poor, but it is tough to tell what was evaluation and what was ability to get. Cooley's record at Providence was strong with under the radar guys but sometimes there's a transition when you have more choices.
- Recruit: It's tough to give anything but an very positive grade for the future. The first transfer class was terrible, but he had little time and no NIL apparatus. The 2024 class is exceptional for a team coming off 2 wins in 2 seasons, and the current transfer class is good aside from the lack of big with the same weaknesses ... and that may be rectified on the freshman side. That freshman class plus a good transfer class given what we're coming off is VERY good sign. People expecting perfection here are setting the bar too high.
- NIL: We are never going to compete with the very top, but so far it does seem like we are a step above most peers and this will be a relative strength except against blue bloods and sugar daddy teams. Real concern is the football schools rerouting money to basketball but hopefully it works the other way around. This is a relative good versus other BE schools but a very big concern long term. So TBD.
- Develop Players: Cooley has a long track record of quality here, but last year saw very little progress by most players. I'm still positive on this point but I understand skepticism. I would say that Rowan and Fielder both improved to my eye, and quite a bit. Cook added a decent amount of offense.
- Retention: TBD. I know a lot of people will point to the straight numbers here but it's pretty clear that we retained 2 of the 3 players we really wanted to retain (and the third we apparently didn't want to pay though I'm sure we would have liked to keep Styles.) The reality is that the massive freshman class is the first challenge of retention Cooley will face. We will see.
Tactical- Gameplan strategy, tactics and execution: Last year was an absolute fail here. The inability of the team to pick up basic defensive rotations is a real problem. The likely choice to have Cook contest almost nothing was suspect. Cooley's never been a Beilein type, but his teams have always seem well organized and cohesive. Last year was not. Cooley or the players? We will see.
- Motivation: Historically a Cooley strength, I wouldn't say the team quit, but they couldn't also seem to get basic things right. Capability or focus?
- In Game Coaching: Cooley was good at this last year. Good out of bounds plays, good management down the stretch. Given the limitations of the roster, I think this is a positive.
The reality is that the strategic elements seem to be shockingly strong for a team that has won 4 conference games in three years. The freshman recruiting is very, very strong, especially IF Julius commits. Despite the expectations, the transfer class is a B or so -- the downplaying of Peavy, Mack and the general move to a more athletic, defensive minded team is an important shift even if we didn't not get enough experience and age, especially a big. The NIL machine is not "Top 5" -- but it is clearly enough to compete. What is left on the strategic side is whether these classes are actually as good as ranked and whether we can retain them. I think Cooley's personality is a plus on the latter, but so much of retention will be about playing time and NIL expectations. I think his history of development tells me that we don't have a ton to worry about there -- the fact that Heath and Massoud didn't improve is irrelevant. So the big questions are: - Retention
- How much of the defensive disaster last year was personnel and how much was coaching
- Can a young team play well enough to keep momentum going?
Rhetoric like your post is kind of pointless. There's much more talent on this team than last year. It's just going to be super young. The negativity in the fanbase actually hurts the team, because that's going to affect recruiting and retention. And with the talent we've grabbed, I think we're going to be pretty good if we can just retain guys long enough for them to develop. |
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