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Post by kghoya on Jun 15, 2024 17:32:22 GMT -5
I’m not a fan of any roster construction that doesn’t give Fielder and Sorber chances to play together lol. We have 2 total players to play the 5…maybe Burks in a pinch…..and you want Fielder and Sorber on the court at the same time. Get used to disappointment. Those of us that keep coming here couldn't possibly get more used to disappointment if we tried. |
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 15, 2024 18:11:40 GMT -5
I’m not a fan of any roster construction that doesn’t give Fielder and Sorber chances to play together lol. We have 2 total players to play the 5…maybe Burks in a pinch…..and you want Fielder and Sorber on the court at the same time. Get used to disappointment. Yes, mainly because I don't view positions thru the prism of 1-5, I see them as guards, wings & bigs. We've seen the stretch capabilities of Fielder and Sorber has a rep of being a good facilitator out of both the low & high post so why wouldn't you want the staff to take as much advantage of their floor opening abilities as possible? limiting your best two bigs to approx. 20 minutes per game doesn't make sense to me. As with all Gtown fans, I'm well acquainted with disappointment. |
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jun 15, 2024 18:49:27 GMT -5
I’m not a fan of any roster construction that doesn’t give Fielder and Sorber chances to play together lol. We have 2 total players to play the 5…maybe Burks in a pinch…..and you want Fielder and Sorber on the court at the same time. Get used to disappointment. I would say your absolutely wrong and not remotely looking at the potential lineup alignments... We have 3 guys total right now that can play 4-5 (Fielder/Sorber/Burks) if we're not playing one of our wings out of position. Explain to me when Fielder is playing the 4 or 5 and Burks is on the bench who is the other player playing either the 4 or 5? |
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 15, 2024 19:55:05 GMT -5
lol. We have 2 total players to play the 5…maybe Burks in a pinch…..and you want Fielder and Sorber on the court at the same time. Get used to disappointment. I would say your absolutely wrong and not remotely looking at the potential lineup alignments... We have 3 guys total right now that can play 4-5 (Fielder/Sorber/Burks) if we're not playing one of our wings out of position. Explain to me when Fielder is playing the 4 or 5 and Burks is on the bench who is the other player playing either the 4 or 5? Peavy and McKenna could absolutely see minutes at the 4. |
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Post by jwp91 on Jun 15, 2024 20:17:38 GMT -5
lol. We have 2 total players to play the 5…maybe Burks in a pinch…..and you want Fielder and Sorber on the court at the same time. Get used to disappointment. I would say your absolutely wrong and not remotely looking at the potential lineup alignments... We have 3 guys total right now that can play 4-5 (Fielder/Sorber/Burks) if we're not playing one of our wings out of position. Explain to me when Fielder is playing the 4 or 5 and Burks is on the bench who is the other player playing either the 4 or 5? Peavy, McKenna, and Caleb Williams. If you started Sorber and Fielder at the same time, as an opposing coach I would foul them out of the 1st half by the 10 minute mark, and crush you for the rest of the game. That is an 0-20 level bad idea. You need to save your big bodies and their fouls. You are going to have to steal minutes with Peavy/McKenna/Caleb Williams spelling Burks. |
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jun 15, 2024 20:33:18 GMT -5
I would say your absolutely wrong and not remotely looking at the potential lineup alignments... We have 3 guys total right now that can play 4-5 (Fielder/Sorber/Burks) if we're not playing one of our wings out of position. Explain to me when Fielder is playing the 4 or 5 and Burks is on the bench who is the other player playing either the 4 or 5? Peavy, McKenna, and Caleb Williams. If you started Sorber and Fielder at the same time, as an opposing coach I would foul them out of the 1st half by the 10 minute mark, and crush you for the rest of the game. That is an 0-20 level bad idea. You need to save your big bodies and their fouls. You are going to have to steal minutes with Peavy/McKenna/Caleb Williams spelling Burks. That's not what you said... You laughed at the other poster and told him get ready for disappointment. Basically insinuating their an idiot for thinking at any moment they share the floor. I guarantee there is absolutely going to be minutes with them both being on the floor at the same time. |
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Post by jwp91 on Jun 15, 2024 21:00:56 GMT -5
I am not saying they will never be on the floor at the same time. I don’t expect the rotation will put them out there together meaningfully. It makes us too vulnerable to foul trouble. We don’t have the depth to make that gamble.
I am pretty confident that anyone expecting Sorber and Fielder on the floor for meaningful minutes consistently will be disappointed. It is a horrible idea without more depth.
Any coach worth a damn would feed the post and drive the lane until those two got two early fouls. Then his team could have his way.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 16, 2024 0:31:46 GMT -5
Unless Thomas shows up like freshman Ewing, my guess is that Fielder starts at the 5 and Burks starts at the 4. Here is what I see Mack/Epps/Kayvuun Epps/Curtis Williams/Kayvauun Peavy/ McKenna/ Curtis Williams/Caleb Williams. Burks/Peavy/Caleb Williams Fielder/Sorber/Burks I'll tackle this more in detail in another thread but first of all let me point out that Sorber does not have to be freshman Ewing to start at the five. I know there has been some discussion whether or not he has enough meat on his bones as of now and also that he has no experience. Because of this it may have been ideal if he came off the bench year one behind a big man transfer. At this rate if the Hoyas even find another big it is very unlikely that player will be a better prospect this upcoming season at the five than Sorber. The problem is, as some have already alluded to is that the Hoyas are so lacking in true big man depth that it will be difficult to play Sorber and Fielder together at the same time; the two would have to spell one another. So the two would likely platoon at the center spot. If Sorber is able to leapfrog Fielder for the starting role that suggests rough times for the Hoyas....unless Sorber is just incredible out of the gate. No player on this roster is more ideal at the PF spot than Fielder. Unfortunately he probably won't be able to play much of that role this upcoming season because of a depth issue. That's a shame; that's on Cooley. With that out the way, I think Fielder is going to be fantastic in 24-25 as a Stretch big who can also get buckets in the paint. I wrote before that of all the guys who played minutes for the Hoyas last season, the one whose return to the program was most key was Fielder. This is no slight to Epps who is a beast in his own right. Fielder just has, in my opinion, far more upside. My biggest beef is with these takes on McKenna. He is the most versatile guy in our frontcourt. Period. He may not yet have anything on Peavy as far as being a defensive guy and it may be he has nothing on Burks on that front either. But neither of those two guys have a thing on McKenna when it comes to the offensive side of the ball. Granted McKenna has yet to prove himself, he has yet to play one minute of college ball. But PLEASE tell me what Burks has proven at this point? I want Burks to be great but some of you guys on this page have already penciled him as Mr All Potential. Why? McKenna can already shoot, pass, drive and score. He can be a secondary ballhandler and bring up the rock fullcourt when needed too. Meanwhile folks here are hoping that Burks learn the ability to take two dribbles without travelling or be able to make a long jumper when he is all alone in the gym. Hey, I understand Hoya fans have such PTSD when it comes to seeing Gtown pretend to play defense and because of this any newcomer who is even hinted at being a possible difference maker on that end will be a presumed fave by a number of you, but what has Burks actually done to make him the automatic pick over McKenna at any spot? Again I will tackle this in further depth in another thread, but McKenna is far more skilled, roughly the same height and has a head start by participating as a full team member since January! Oh, btw he looks jacked compared to how he appeared at this time last summer in the KL. So as far as I am concerned any projection of playing time at positions that does not at least include McKenna in both the SF and PF slots is moronic. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 16, 2024 0:39:46 GMT -5
I would say your absolutely wrong and not remotely looking at the potential lineup alignments... We have 3 guys total right now that can play 4-5 (Fielder/Sorber/Burks) if we're not playing one of our wings out of position. Explain to me when Fielder is playing the 4 or 5 and Burks is on the bench who is the other player playing either the 4 or 5? Peavy, McKenna, and Caleb Williams. If you started Sorber and Fielder at the same time, as an opposing coach I would foul them out of the 1st half by the 10 minute mark, and crush you for the rest of the game. The problem with this insinuation is that you presume that opposing coaches can make this happen at will. I'll grant that Fielder's Achille's heel may have actually been foul trouble, but if we are going by rep alone that issue may not be a concern for Sorber other than the typical adjustment a frosh has to make playing at the collegiate level. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 16, 2024 0:55:33 GMT -5
Thomas Sorber is the guy we want starting, I don’t believe we ever really wanted a transfer starting center, only a backup. I think is why we didn’t get any takers, Sorber is Cooleys choice and I can’t wait !!!! So in your view, Cliff O. came for an official visit, got the red carpet treatment, watched a prize fight at Kenny Johnson’s plush condo - all to be freshman Thomas Sorber’s backup? I am sure he didn't expect that. But once he signed on the dotted line and got all those bucks what would he have done about it if Sorber actually outplayed him in practice? Cliff O is a finished product, he wasn't getting any better. He was able to take advantage of this new market and good for him, but the consensus out there is that he was overvalued monetarily. He is a big with some hops around the ri, some rim protection, much bulk and a ton of experience and that counts for something. He is also extremely limited in who he can cover on defense and what he can bring to an offense. And that is why his butt is still in college; he is not a pro prospect because of his limitations. Still it was smart to go after him because at the very most he may have been needed if Sorber was just way too unready to play starting minutes and at the very least he was a guy who could provide fantastic depth when needed. But make no mistake...Cooley could have been walking a tight rope. Sorber is HIS guy for the future and he would not want to have limited the kid's time if Sorber showed capability as a frosh. Because doing so in this age and time automatically leads to the player moving on to another school. |
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Post by jwp91 on Jun 16, 2024 12:54:29 GMT -5
Unless Thomas shows up like freshman Ewing, my guess is that Fielder starts at the 5 and Burks starts at the 4. Here is what I see Mack/Epps/Kayvuun Epps/Curtis Williams/Kayvauun Peavy/ McKenna/ Curtis Williams/Caleb Williams. Burks/Peavy/Caleb Williams Fielder/Sorber/Burks I'll tackle this more in detail in another thread but first of all let me point out that Sorber does not have to be freshman Ewing to start at the five. I know there has been some discussion whether or not he has enough meat on his bones as of now and also that he has no experience. Because of this it may have been ideal if he came off the bench year one behind a big man transfer. At this rate if the Hoyas even find another big it is very unlikely that player will be a better prospect this upcoming season at the five than Sorber. The problem is, as some have already alluded to is that the Hoyas are so lacking in true big man depth that it will be difficult to play Sorber and Fielder together at the same time; the two would have to spell one another. So the two would likely platoon at the center spot. If Sorber is able to leapfrog Fielder for the starting role that suggests rough times for the Hoyas....unless Sorber is just incredible out of the gate. No player on this roster is more ideal at the PF spot than Fielder. Unfortunately he probably won't be able to play much of that role this upcoming season because of a depth issue. That's a shame; that's on Cooley. With that out the way, I think Fielder is going to be fantastic in 24-25 as a Stretch big who can also get buckets in the paint. I wrote before that of all the guys who played minutes for the Hoyas last season, the one whose return to the program was most key was Fielder. This is no slight to Epps who is a beast in his own right. Fielder just has, in my opinion, far more upside. My biggest beef is with these takes on McKenna. He is the most versatile guy in our frontcourt. Period. He may not yet have anything on Peavy as far as being a defensive guy and it may be he has nothing on Burks on that front either. But neither of those two guys have a thing on McKenna when it comes to the offensive side of the ball. Granted McKenna has yet to prove himself, he has yet to play one minute of college ball. But PLEASE tell me what Burks has proven at this point? I want Burks to be great but some of you guys on this page have already penciled him as Mr All Potential. Why? McKenna can already shoot, pass, drive and score. He can be a secondary ballhandler and bring up the rock fullcourt when needed too. Meanwhile folks here are hoping that Burks learn the ability to take two dribbles without travelling or be able to make a long jumper when he is all alone in the gym. Hey, I understand Hoya fans have such PTSD when it comes to seeing Gtown pretend to play defense and because of this any newcomer who is even hinted at being a possible difference maker on that end will be a presumed fave by a number of you, but what has Burks actually done to make him the automatic pick over McKenna at any spot? Again I will tackle this in further depth in another thread, but McKenna is far more skilled, roughly the same height and has a head start by participating as a full team member since January! Oh, btw he looks jacked compared to how he appeared at this time last summer in the KL. So as far as I am concerned any projection of playing time at positions that does not at least include McKenna in both the SF and PF slots is moronic. From what I have read and not seen with my own eyes (I have watched some limited YouTube highlights), while McKenna is 6’8”, he plays more like a guard than a big. Perhaps he could defend the 4 in pinch. We will see soon enough. I have read descriptions of Caleb Williams as a smart versatile basketball player. In theory, he is an inch shorter than McKenna. Maybe we see some of him at the 4. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 16, 2024 13:51:13 GMT -5
I'll tackle this more in detail in another thread but first of all let me point out that Sorber does not have to be freshman Ewing to start at the five. I know there has been some discussion whether or not he has enough meat on his bones as of now and also that he has no experience. Because of this it may have been ideal if he came off the bench year one behind a big man transfer. At this rate if the Hoyas even find another big it is very unlikely that player will be a better prospect this upcoming season at the five than Sorber. The problem is, as some have already alluded to is that the Hoyas are so lacking in true big man depth that it will be difficult to play Sorber and Fielder together at the same time; the two would have to spell one another. So the two would likely platoon at the center spot. If Sorber is able to leapfrog Fielder for the starting role that suggests rough times for the Hoyas....unless Sorber is just incredible out of the gate. No player on this roster is more ideal at the PF spot than Fielder. Unfortunately he probably won't be able to play much of that role this upcoming season because of a depth issue. That's a shame; that's on Cooley. With that out the way, I think Fielder is going to be fantastic in 24-25 as a Stretch big who can also get buckets in the paint. I wrote before that of all the guys who played minutes for the Hoyas last season, the one whose return to the program was most key was Fielder. This is no slight to Epps who is a beast in his own right. Fielder just has, in my opinion, far more upside. My biggest beef is with these takes on McKenna. He is the most versatile guy in our frontcourt. Period. He may not yet have anything on Peavy as far as being a defensive guy and it may be he has nothing on Burks on that front either. But neither of those two guys have a thing on McKenna when it comes to the offensive side of the ball. Granted McKenna has yet to prove himself, he has yet to play one minute of college ball. But PLEASE tell me what Burks has proven at this point? I want Burks to be great but some of you guys on this page have already penciled him as Mr All Potential. Why? McKenna can already shoot, pass, drive and score. He can be a secondary ballhandler and bring up the rock fullcourt when needed too. Meanwhile folks here are hoping that Burks learn the ability to take two dribbles without travelling or be able to make a long jumper when he is all alone in the gym. Hey, I understand Hoya fans have such PTSD when it comes to seeing Gtown pretend to play defense and because of this any newcomer who is even hinted at being a possible difference maker on that end will be a presumed fave by a number of you, but what has Burks actually done to make him the automatic pick over McKenna at any spot? Again I will tackle this in further depth in another thread, but McKenna is far more skilled, roughly the same height and has a head start by participating as a full team member since January! Oh, btw he looks jacked compared to how he appeared at this time last summer in the KL. So as far as I am concerned any projection of playing time at positions that does not at least include McKenna in both the SF and PF slots is moronic. From what I have read and not seen with my own eyes (I have watched some limited YouTube highlights), while McKenna is 6’8”, he plays more like a guard than a big. Perhaps he could defend the 4 in pinch. We will see soon enough. I have read descriptions of Caleb Williams as a smart versatile basketball player. In theory, he is an inch shorter than McKenna. Maybe we see some of him at the 4. McKenna had to play a majority of his minutes at the five in his last year in high school. At times he was the closet thing to a big the team had. He has the height to get away playing the PF in college, especially with the muscle he has put on. Caleb is definitely a small four type with legit perimeter skills. He is also a faceup guy. |
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 16, 2024 15:22:44 GMT -5
I am not saying they will never be on the floor at the same time. I don’t expect the rotation will put them out there together meaningfully. It makes us too vulnerable to foul trouble. We don’t have the depth to make that gamble. I am pretty confident that anyone expecting Sorber and Fielder on the floor for meaningful minutes consistently will be disappointed. It is a horrible idea without more depth. Any coach worth a damn would feed the post and drive the lane until those two got two early fouls. Then his team could have his way. Gtown can’t hide from its lack of depth up front this coming season, opposing coaches can still attempt to get them in foul trouble even if they aren’t playing together. The entire front court will have to learn to play effective defense and the team will have to learn to play as a team in order to be effective. Next season is another crack at trying to develop a core to build upon, don’t hold them back, teach them how to play smart basketball. |
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Post by prhoya on Jun 16, 2024 22:20:07 GMT -5
Until further notice (of another big signing), Fielder and Sorber shouldn’t play Kenner. It’s too risky for the future of the program.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 17, 2024 5:23:01 GMT -5
Until further notice (of another big signing), Fielder and Sorber shouldn’t play Kenner. It’s too risky for the future of the program. You know what? There is some sad truth to that. 😀 |
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 17, 2024 6:37:11 GMT -5
Until further notice (of another big signing), Fielder and Sorber shouldn’t play Kenner. It’s too risky for the future of the program. You know what? There is some sad truth to that. 😀 Ralph Dalton. But I think we know that DI athletes want to compete and think they are invulnerable to injury so they'll want to play, barring some other nagging injury that suggests sitting out would be prudent. IIRC, Fielder had that nagging knee issue last season. koehlerlaw.net/2014/04/ralph-dalton-the-basketball-great-you-never-heard-of/ |
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Post by jwp91 on Jun 17, 2024 7:22:12 GMT -5
Until further notice (of another big signing), Fielder and Sorber shouldn’t play Kenner. It’s too risky for the future of the program. This was tongue in cheek, but we have only 3 traditional guards, and the point almost holds.. The only reason it doesn’t hold is the supply of guards relative to the supply of bigs. An inopportune injury to the wrong player on a 10 person roster could be catastrophic. That is on Cooley. He built this roster. |
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Post by prhoya on Jun 17, 2024 9:45:04 GMT -5
Until further notice (of another big signing), Fielder and Sorber shouldn’t play Kenner. It’s too risky for the future of the program. This was tongue in cheek, but we have only 3 traditional guards, and the point almost holds.. The only reason it doesn’t hold is the supply of guards relative to the supply of bigs. An inopportune injury to the wrong player on a 10 person roster could be catastrophic. That is on Cooley. He built this roster. I would add that Kenner favors guards. IMO, Fielder and Sorber would benefit more from S&C, shooting reps, offensive and defensive drills. I know practice without a competitive game every now and then sucks, but this year is too risky without a proper roster. Looking at Fielder’s stats, I was surprised to see that such an excellent perimeter shooter had a similar FT% (62.9%) in 1.7 FTAs to Cook’s career FT#s (57% to 63%) in 3.2 to 5.5 FTAs. If the roster stays as is, Fielder will be spending a lot of time under the basket and his FTAs probably will shoot up to around 5 FTAs. Such a fine perimeter shooter should be around the mid 70%s. As to Sorber, one of the question marks to his game is 3FGs. A daily dose of the shooting machines feeding him basketballs will take him (and the team) a long way. |
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Jul 10, 2024 9:58:15 GMT -5
Media predicts another bad year.
I think they are about right 13-14 wins. That’s not good enough I am sorry. This program is done stick a fork in it and Cooley was a bad hire. Providence wanted to win this program don’t. Sick of it. I check scores but I don’t care.
MOD NOTE: thread merged into pre-existing discussion.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jul 10, 2024 10:27:22 GMT -5
At least wait until December to go full "the sky is falling" mode. We were close in a lot of gms last year against the mid and bottom tier teams. I can see Cooley winning a few more of those gms.....I want to see 17-20Ws and a team that no one wants to see come BET time.
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