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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 3, 2020 10:55:29 GMT -5
I honestly felt Pickett overreacted. It was a block out. Get him the next time down or give him a hard foul on a drive. Don't chase after him in the open court as we are making a run. We gave up four free throws on that and Jagan's brain fart. Can't do that as our margin of error is essentially zero when we are playing two walk-ons in the heat of the game. Again, my bet is that it was not just a block out. Couldn't get a clear view because the camera angle was from behind, but the way Marko reacted physically - he didn't grab his ribs or his stomach - coupled with his fury in going across court to confront Figueroa - makes me pretty sure it was a cheap sack shot down low. Happens pretty frequently in soccer, rugby etc. when the attention is on the ball up high and not on what is going on down low.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 3, 2020 10:59:41 GMT -5
I don't care what Figueroa did. When you're down to 6 legit starters you don't get into a fight period. Could have cost us the game.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 3, 2020 11:08:59 GMT -5
I agree that you have to keep your cool, that's why I said you wait for your moment to respond in the flow of the game.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 3, 2020 11:27:20 GMT -5
At the end the Hoyas did not lead all 2nd half except in the last 10 s. Perfect timing!!!
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 3, 2020 11:34:35 GMT -5
My favorite part of the game yesterday was seeing Yurt pass out of the post for 4 assists which could have easily been more. He has not done that very well this season and watching him find the right guy was great to see. And of course the drop step dunk was big time and got the team really going. Blair was outstanding, I really do hope he will come into his own with all this increased playing time. He has the right mindset, he does not lack confidence in his ability. More playing time should help him develop even more. Mac did not look good celebrating yesterday, clearly the foot is an issue. I wonder when it happened? The way he was limping, no way he plays against SHU. SHU is actually waiting on an MRI as well for their point guard and best defender, McKnight, so both teams could be out of sorts.
I know it was SJU, but I give these Hoyas a lot of credit for battling back 17 down on the road in conference and making winning plays down the stretch. Sometimes I forget just how under-manned we are, every win going forward should feel good. The Hoyas are showing no quit.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 3, 2020 12:14:05 GMT -5
Thanks dan, I saw the one clip of about a min gtown posted to Twitter Separate rant - why can’t the university post it in an easy to find place after every game. Creighton does. At John does (stj only posts their coach, while is annoying, but what could the reason be?) It’s MEDIA availability. Once you give access, why wouldn’t you plaster it out there? You could even sensor it if someone said something dumb.... Our AD office leaves a lot to be desired. They claim a lot is “safety of player....players are kids...etc. you can agree or disagree with that - but this is already being made available. Seems like lost opportunity to try and get more buzz. More momentum out there. The clip posted on twitter and linked in the articles thread has Ewing's press conference playing over the highlights. The SID doesn't have control over cameras etc in a visiting venue. Most of those get posted eventually as well. Don't get me wrong, they could do a lot more but the SID has to follow marching orders from the shadow government (the basketball program).
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 3, 2020 12:19:31 GMT -5
While I agree Pickett could have kept his cool, Figueroa got him with his elbow in a spot where it clearly REALLY HURT. Different than the usual boxout with the upper arm. He had his eyes up towards the basket and saw RED. Sure, he lost his cool, but I have a hard time rejecting that kid playing with some fire. I'm not going to rewatch the entire game tape to see what else might have happened earlier. Hey, at least he wasn't brandishing a chair! ;-)
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Post by prhoya on Feb 3, 2020 12:43:43 GMT -5
While I agree Pickett could have kept his cool, Figueroa got him with his elbow in a spot where it clearly REALLY HURT. Different than the usual boxout with the upper arm. He had his eyes up towards the basket and saw RED. Sure, he lost his cool, but I have a hard time rejecting that kid playing with some fire. I'm not going to rewatch the entire game tape to see what else might have happened earlier. Hey, at least he wasn't brandishing a chair! ;-) If Pickett was so bothered by Figueroa's box-out elbow, he should have gone down after taking a few steps while both teams were in transition, not stumble around and then go straight to Figueroa. It would have forced the refs to stop the game and then probably look for a flagrant. Who knows if it would've been called, but at least nothing was on Pickett.
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Post by Omega on Feb 3, 2020 12:55:57 GMT -5
The biggest take away from this game was the coaching. Not the x and O's, but the demeanor of Ewing. Even though the officiating was questionable, the players were making bad plays, and the two techs, he never lost his cool. Last year he would have blown a gasket. An even temperament is what this team needs.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 3, 2020 13:00:30 GMT -5
While I agree Pickett could have kept his cool, Figueroa got him with his elbow in a spot where it clearly REALLY HURT. Different than the usual boxout with the upper arm. He had his eyes up towards the basket and saw RED. Sure, he lost his cool, but I have a hard time rejecting that kid playing with some fire. I'm not going to rewatch the entire game tape to see what else might have happened earlier. Hey, at least he wasn't brandishing a chair! ;-) If Pickett was so bothered by Figueroa's box-out elbow, he should have gone down after taking a few steps while both teams were in transition, not stumble around and then go straight to Figueroa. It would have forced the refs to stop the game and then probably look for a flagrant. Who knows if it would've been called, but at least nothing was on Pickett. You're not wrong, but easy to say in hindsight. Teachable gamesmanship moment. Looked like Ewing was doing that in real time.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 3, 2020 13:16:27 GMT -5
If Pickett was so bothered by Figueroa's box-out elbow, he should have gone down after taking a few steps while both teams were in transition, not stumble around and then go straight to Figueroa. It would have forced the refs to stop the game and then probably look for a flagrant. Who knows if it would've been called, but at least nothing was on Pickett. You're not wrong, but easy to say in hindsight. Teachable gamesmanship moment. Looked like Ewing was doing that in real time. Got to be smart about it. Pickett almost stumbled to the ground twice on his way to the other side. Just go down if you're that hurt. But he just wanted to get back to Figueroa. As the other poster said, we cannot get a player thrown out (no matter his last name) with just six players. Yes, teachable moment.
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Post by smokeyjack on Feb 3, 2020 13:24:19 GMT -5
The biggest take away from this game was the coaching. Not the x and O's, but the demeanor of Ewing. Even though the officiating was questionable, the players were making bad plays, and the two techs, he never lost his cool. Last year he would have blown a gasket. An even temperament is what this team needs. Completely spot on. Both are deeply flawed teams, but Ewing called a drastically better game yday...other than the lousy D on Dunn at end of first half. Not only does Pat need to be willing to switch defenses, it’s an absolute must from a basic strategy perspective. If we had superior athletes across the board, then you can pound your chest and claim you’re a straight man team. I think it’s a mistake even for those teams. There’s no question in my mind that if Duke had played more zone over the years, K would have won at least one more title. Omega, you are 100% correct in asserting that the very benefit of confusion justifies some switching, much less the inherent strengths and weaknesses of the defenses themselves. Now SJU is a really easy team to stop because they have no big and can’t shoot, but I would dearly love to see more of that pack line look we showed at the beginning of our run. It looked like a sagging 1-3-1, and completely stifled the only thing SJU is even modestly good at - power slashing. There was simply nowhere to go and that flext shot Compagnie kept hitting was smothered. Why not constantly switch - complexity of defensive scheme it’s the best weapon of an undermanned team.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 3, 2020 14:33:49 GMT -5
The biggest take away from this game was the coaching. Not the x and O's, but the demeanor of Ewing. Even though the officiating was questionable, the players were making bad plays, and the two techs, he never lost his cool. Last year he would have blown a gasket. An even temperament is what this team needs. I was actually pretty furious that Pat did NOT go postal and get a T based on some of the treatment we were getting. He will need to do that from time to time.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 3, 2020 15:20:22 GMT -5
What a comeback. How many shot clock violations did we hold them to during the comeback? At least 2 and a few more close calls. Really proud of these guys and coach
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 3, 2020 15:59:00 GMT -5
The biggest take away from this game was the coaching. Not the x and O's, but the demeanor of Ewing. Even though the officiating was questionable, the players were making bad plays, and the two techs, he never lost his cool. Last year he would have blown a gasket. An even temperament is what this team needs. I was actually pretty furious that Pat did NOT go postal and get a T based on some of the treatment we were getting. He will need to do that from time to time. I know this is a difference of philosophy, and I recognize that, but I think it's extremely rare that Patrick or anybody else should get a technical intentionally. We have a very small margin to win these games. As it is, we won yesterday by 1. One more technical and me might lose. If anything, yesterday is a great example of why you do not do it in a close game.
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Post by ewingitrust on Feb 3, 2020 16:05:44 GMT -5
Down 17 on the road in the BE and to win is an accomplishment. I think this was the game where we can go ona 2-3 be winning streak. Seton Hall has flaws. Go Hoyas! The way they came back and won was liberating. One game at a time.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 3, 2020 16:56:32 GMT -5
I was actually pretty furious that Pat did NOT go postal and get a T based on some of the treatment we were getting. He will need to do that from time to time. I know this is a difference of philosophy, and I recognize that, but I think it's extremely rare that Patrick or anybody else should get a technical intentionally. We have a very small margin to win these games. As it is, we won yesterday by 1. One more technical and me might lose. If anything, yesterday is a great example of why you do not do it in a close game. It would have been 2 straight games at MSG with a T for Ewing had he gotten one. I agree in a close game you have to try to avoid costing your team a result, but I think the message has to be sent in the post-game presser. Very poor run of officiating the last few games and it can't be allowed to continue without comment when the margin of error is already so small to begin with.
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Post by smokeyjack on Feb 3, 2020 17:13:24 GMT -5
Thought the officiating was fine yday other than the mind blowing no-call when Jagan got cross-checked at the rim. They fixated on the clean block up top and completely missed what was practically a Flagrant 1. That was inexcusable. The rest of the game was a Van Gogh compared to the previous two games. Brian O'Connell and Bob Donato (now retired) both live in my neighborhood. We walk our dogs at the same time, and Bob and I both regularly take Brian to task for the crap current state of officiating. It's pretty entertaining, but they are both fabulous guys.
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 3, 2020 18:40:29 GMT -5
What a comeback. How many shot clock violations did we hold them to during the comeback? At least 2 and a few more close calls. Really proud of these guys and coach Well, that was a pleasant surprise. And in response, don't forget that St. Johns' last basket came with one second left on the shot clock.
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Post by hsaxon on Feb 3, 2020 21:22:45 GMT -5
I honestly felt Pickett overreacted. It was a block out. Get him the next time down or give him a hard foul on a drive. Don't chase after him in the open court as we are making a run. We gave up four free throws on that and Jagan's brain fart. Can't do that as our margin of error is essentially zero when we are playing two walk-ons in the heat of the game. Again, my bet is that it was not just a block out. Couldn't get a clear view because the camera angle was from behind, but the way Marko reacted physically - he didn't grab his ribs or his stomach - coupled with his fury in going across court to confront Figueroa - makes me pretty sure it was a cheap sack shot down low. Happens pretty frequently in soccer, rugby etc. when the attention is on the ball up high and not on what is going on down low. Based on Pickett's physical reaction after the contact, it sure looked like he got hit below the belt where it really hurts. He staggered after the contact. Why couldn't the announcers state the obvious?
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