BSM
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Post by BSM on Feb 3, 2020 21:50:41 GMT -5
From where I was sitting, it looked like Patrick went after O'Connell pretty hard on the non-call on the Jagen dunk attempt. Granted the tie didn't come off and Orr didn't feel the need to intervene, but even after the next time out, Ewing crossed the floor to talk to O'Connell again.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 3, 2020 21:51:21 GMT -5
I think there would have to be a clear view of that kind of contact before they would say anything.
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miracles87
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Post by miracles87 on Feb 3, 2020 22:07:05 GMT -5
Great win for the Hoyas! This was a hard fought and entertaining game, super proud of the fellas.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Feb 3, 2020 23:20:22 GMT -5
While I agree Pickett could have kept his cool, Figueroa got him with his elbow in a spot where it clearly REALLY HURT. Different than the usual boxout with the upper arm. He had his eyes up towards the basket and saw RED. Sure, he lost his cool, but I have a hard time rejecting that kid playing with some fire. I'm not going to rewatch the entire game tape to see what else might have happened earlier. Hey, at least he wasn't brandishing a chair! ;-) I was glad to see a player show some emotion in a game (Coach used to do it as a player and does it every game now). I don't recall Pickett ever getting upset. It leads me to believe something occurred or it was a build up over time. Perhaps he was upset at himself for not playing up to his potential. It may have started the team having an attitude that we are not going to be a doormat any more. I am looking forward to seeing how the team comes out on the 5th. Also, a win by 1 against St. John's is better than a loss by 1 to anybody.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Feb 4, 2020 0:01:31 GMT -5
As far as Pickett, the guy from St. John's made a routine block out, and inadvertently got Pickett. That is the way it looked. The announcers thought the same. Pickett reacted to the severity of the result from the block out. As if dude really was trying to harm him. Fortunately, leadership stepped in from our Hoya team to stop Pickett. Refs made the right call in giving him a tech. Everyone moved forward.
Loved the win. One of my favorite wins in recent memory.
Can never question the heart of this team.
It was Hoya basketball at its finest. Not necessarily pretty. Far from perfect.
Just gritty. Blair stepped up big time. Mosely is our rock. We pulled out a victory at the very end. It was great.
Go Hoyas!
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Post by bicentennial on Feb 4, 2020 10:23:29 GMT -5
I guess I have a problem that in the real world if you cause serious harm even if you don't intend it there is a mechanism to establish a consequence since that is what is fair. Twice this year on the court players from opposing teams have created physical harm to Georgetown players and 3 refs get together and look at a monitor and decide their was no malicious intent so all is fine and there is no consequence to the offending player. I'm sorry but if a player rakes an opposing teams player in the eye and he has to miss several games, that player should miss an equal number of games. Similarly if a player pegs someone in the balls so hard they can't walk straight, the player pegged should not be the one assessed a technical. This unjust officiating goes all the way back to Trawick's fractured jaw and I worry that it correlates with when Georgetown started losing more than it wins. I think the Georgetown administration needs to demand a more equitable solution at an administrative level from the officiating committee. Much of the physicality of the game has been toned down over the last decade to the point where 6 foot players have an advantage in all aspects of the game over 7 foot players. It is stupid that a player can be injured seriously and the player who causes the injury bears absolutely no responsibility.
I do love the heart of this team and that these players are giving their all.
The Big East needs to do what is right and protect our players. At a time when the professional sports is finally recognizing some responsibility for permanent injuries to players from their sports, the Big East needs to step up and protect players even when the "contact" is deemed inadvertent.
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bigskyhoya
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Post by bigskyhoya on Feb 4, 2020 11:44:00 GMT -5
I was at MSG on Sunday. A few observations: (1) Yurt was key in the second half but lost before that. He also has a habit of reaching over the top of the defensive player to commit a foul after he misses a short shot. Pat needs to coach him up on this point. (2) our roster is THIN. The drop off to Muresan is huge. (3) we would not have won that game without Blair but is anyone else anxious when he has a breakaway layup? It looked like he was about to travel on the game ending play!. This may be a pipedream but if only he could tighten up his handle.
Thoroughly enjoyable game and Gtown was well represented.
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rhw485
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Post by rhw485 on Feb 4, 2020 12:16:52 GMT -5
I guess I have a problem that in the real world if you cause serious harm even if you don't intend it there is a mechanism to establish a consequence since that is what is fair. Twice this year on the court players from opposing teams have created physical harm to Georgetown players and 3 refs get together and look at a monitor and decide their was no malicious intent so all is fine and there is no consequence to the offending player. I'm sorry but if a player rakes an opposing teams player in the eye and he has to miss several games, that player should miss an equal number of games. Similarly if a player pegs someone in the balls so hard they can't walk straight, the player pegged should not be the one assessed a technical. This unjust officiating goes all the way back to Trawick's fractured jaw and I worry that it correlates with when Georgetown started losing more than it wins. I think the Georgetown administration needs to demand a more equitable solution at an administrative level from the officiating committee. Much of the physicality of the game has been toned down over the last decade to the point where 6 foot players have an advantage in all aspects of the game over 7 foot players. It is stupid that a player can be injured seriously and the player who causes the injury bears absolutely no responsibility. I do love the heart of this team and that these players are giving their all. The Big East needs to do what is right and protect our players. At a time when the professional sports is finally recognizing some responsibility for permanent injuries to players from their sports, the Big East needs to step up and protect players even when the "contact" is deemed inadvertent. I'm sorry, but I just don't agree with this line of thinking at all. The American player got a technical for hitting McClung in the eye even though it was fairly obvious that it was inadvertent. Are you suggesting he should've been thrown out of the game and then subsequently suspended for an additional game until Mac was cleared? Pickett wasn't even hurt and could've stayed in the game if Ewing didn't want him to calm down. He probably got the wind knocked out of him (Pretty sure if hit below belt you don't even walk). Instead of forearm hitting chest, elbow hit side. Wasn't called a foul in the flow of the game or a tech upon review. It's not the cleanest play in the world but I can't even say the word dirty. Do you want Tyrique Jones on Xavier to be suspended a game because McKnight landed and hurt his knee on a foul from Jones? More importantly, this suggestion that Georgetown is systematically being targeted by the refs is simply making excuses for Georgetown's recent downturn. What's more likely: the majority of refs have a vendetta against us? Or we're fans and we hate every call that goes against our team? We ignore when there are more fouls against the other team and credit it to our aggressiveness, and then pout when it doesn't go our way. The refs were bad in the Duke game and maybe it's closer if not for a few critical calls. That's more a Duke issue than a Georgetown issue and the closest thing this year the refs came to deciding a game. We were in control of the Butler game in 1st half mostly due to fouls, the goaltending was a missed call but I think we probably got more help than harm in that one tbh. Georgetown needs to focus on itself and not the refs /end rant
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 4, 2020 15:26:03 GMT -5
More importantly, this suggestion that Georgetown is systematically being targeted by the refs is simply making excuses for Georgetown's recent downturn. What's more likely: the majority of refs have a vendetta against us? Or we're fans and we hate every call that goes against our team? We ignore when there are more fouls against the other team and credit it to our aggressiveness, and then pout when it doesn't go our way. The refs were bad in the Duke game and maybe it's closer if not for a few critical calls. That's more a Duke issue than a Georgetown issue and the closest thing this year the refs came to deciding a game. We were in control of the Butler game in 1st half mostly due to fouls, the goaltending was a missed call but I think we probably got more help than harm in that one tbh. Georgetown needs to focus on itself and not the refs /end rant I had a friend who did high school basketball officiating and he was often accused by fans/parents/coaches (sometimes of both teams) for being biased against one team or the other. I talked to him about this issue at one point, and he said that an official being biased against one team or another was extremely rare. In his case, it didn't even cross his mind. In most instances where fans perceive that officials are being unfair, it's either incompetence, just discretionary differences between officials, or fans' minds being clouded because of their fandom (which can be pretty intense when you're dealing with parents instead of fans).
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 4, 2020 15:31:15 GMT -5
I guess I have a problem that in the real world if you cause serious harm even if you don't intend it there is a mechanism to establish a consequence since that is what is fair. Twice this year on the court players from opposing teams have created physical harm to Georgetown players and 3 refs get together and look at a monitor and decide their was no malicious intent so all is fine and there is no consequence to the offending player. I'm sorry but if a player rakes an opposing teams player in the eye and he has to miss several games, that player should miss an equal number of games. Similarly if a player pegs someone in the balls so hard they can't walk straight, the player pegged should not be the one assessed a technical. This unjust officiating goes all the way back to Trawick's fractured jaw and I worry that it correlates with when Georgetown started losing more than it wins. I think the Georgetown administration needs to demand a more equitable solution at an administrative level from the officiating committee. Much of the physicality of the game has been toned down over the last decade to the point where 6 foot players have an advantage in all aspects of the game over 7 foot players. It is stupid that a player can be injured seriously and the player who causes the injury bears absolutely no responsibility. I do love the heart of this team and that these players are giving their all. The Big East needs to do what is right and protect our players. At a time when the professional sports is finally recognizing some responsibility for permanent injuries to players from their sports, the Big East needs to step up and protect players even when the "contact" is deemed inadvertent. I'm sorry, but I just don't agree with this line of thinking at all. The American player got a technical for hitting McClung in the eye even though it was fairly obvious that it was inadvertent. Are you suggesting he should've been thrown out of the game and then subsequently suspended for an additional game until Mac was cleared? Pickett wasn't even hurt and could've stayed in the game if Ewing didn't want him to calm down. He probably got the wind knocked out of him (Pretty sure if hit below belt you don't even walk). Instead of forearm hitting chest, elbow hit side. Wasn't called a foul in the flow of the game or a tech upon review. It's not the cleanest play in the world but I can't even say the word dirty. Do you want Tyrique Jones on Xavier to be suspended a game because McKnight landed and hurt his knee on a foul from Jones? More importantly, this suggestion that Georgetown is systematically being targeted by the refs is simply making excuses for Georgetown's recent downturn. What's more likely: the majority of refs have a vendetta against us? Or we're fans and we hate every call that goes against our team? We ignore when there are more fouls against the other team and credit it to our aggressiveness, and then pout when it doesn't go our way. The refs were bad in the Duke game and maybe it's closer if not for a few critical calls. That's more a Duke issue than a Georgetown issue and the closest thing this year the refs came to deciding a game. We were in control of the Butler game in 1st half mostly due to fouls, the goaltending was a missed call but I think we probably got more help than harm in that one tbh. Georgetown needs to focus on itself and not the refs /end rant I hate AU, but that foul on Mac was just a freak thing and should not have been anything other than a regular foul. We need our guys grabbing for the ball and I cannot fault an opponent for doing so.
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Post by bicentennial on Feb 5, 2020 17:42:37 GMT -5
I agree that I am biased. I agree that GU can do very little to change the refs, much more to have the team play better where refs can do little to change the outcome. I always expect not to get calls when on the road but hate when I feel calls go against GU even at home.
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