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Post by blueandgray on Feb 3, 2020 0:41:55 GMT -5
Is this the 2nd time this year we were down by 17 or more only to come back and win? I believe we did so in our first game ...also employing the press in the comeback.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 3, 2020 1:48:16 GMT -5
It seems that when we are in distress (people leaving the program, get injured), the rest of the crew immediately after stands up for us. I just am worried that with Mac out for a while, we cannot sustain this level of play. With only six schollie athletes it is quite a grind on them. I was worried that when we were down to 7 that somebody would get hurt or sick. The rest of the team has some smoke and mirrors at their disposal.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Feb 3, 2020 6:23:33 GMT -5
Is this the 2nd time this year we were down by 17 or more only to come back and win? I believe we did so in our first game ...also employing the press in the comeback. As I recall, the Mount Saint Mary’s game was the result of Akinjo three’s. He put the team on his back during the second half after the team played one of the worst halves of basketball I have ever seen. I left that game convinced that we had a major chemistry problem. I mean no one was playing for the team that day. That game should have been a blowout from opening tip. This game was by far the better comeback. It was a true team win.
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Post by rhw485 on Feb 3, 2020 7:55:27 GMT -5
Obviously been a tough season, credit to the team for showing some real heart with this one:
• I’ve been critical of Ewing defensive adjustments. Have to give credit that he was at least willing to try some new wrinkles when behind. I’m skeptical of a press being a core part of our defense but it absolutely worked today. Can’t ignore that. And while I don’t think the zone will hold up against better shooting teams, it was 100% the right call against a poor shooting team. • I’m glad Yurt7 had a game that everyone can appreciate. I’ve tried to defend him because it seemed hypocritical when we celebrated his jump shooting as he dominated non-con and ridicule it when it misses. His offensive rebounding is so critical and underrated, we just get to steal multiple extra possessions a game.
• Blair showed some of the ball handling chops I saw freshman year when they let him run some pick and roll action. Credit to him for stepping up when the team needed him
• The broadcast kept crediting St. Johns for slowing down and pulling the ball out after beating the press at the end of the game. They were only up 1 and passed up multiple easy looks and let our defense recover. There’s obviously a balance but if you have a layup you should probably take it.
• My biggest point of criticism would be Pickett’s play. St. John’s hit 6 3s, 3 of them from Heron were directly the result of Pickett’s defense. On two of them, the offensive set did nothing to create space. Heron just faced up Pickett, saw he wasn’t close enough and fired without dribbling. The other one was an over-help on dribble penetration to leave their only shooter.
• If we had lost this by one, the techs on Mosely and Pickett would’ve been heartbreaking. Mosely I genuinely think was throwing the ball where a ref normally is placed on the baseline. On Pickett’s, to me that’s a lack of composure. Figueroa boxed out more or less how you’re coached; the refs reviewed it and didn’t call anything on Figueroa. I’m sure it was painful but I didn’t really see any malicious intent. But more importantly, nothing is going to be accomplished by sprinting up to him at a dead ball. We’re down to 6 guys, if you want to really be tough, tell coach you’re guarding him the rest of the way and shut him down. I know that’s easy to say from the couch but he’s a junior, need to show maturity.
• Was anyone else concerned that Ewing said Mac still needed to get an MRI? Wouldn’t that have happened immediately after the injury took place? Or did he just wake up Sunday morning in pain? He was clearly hobbled on the bench, some real concern going forward
Hope is a dangerous thing, trying not to get my hopes up too much for Wednesday, tall task against best team in league coming off a home loss.
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Post by calhoya on Feb 3, 2020 7:55:36 GMT -5
It seems that when we are in distress (people leaving the program, get injured), the rest of the crew immediately after stands up for us. I just am worried that with Mac out for a while, we cannot sustain this level of play. With only six schollie athletes it is quite a grind on them. I was worried that when we were down to 7 that somebody would get hurt or sick. The rest of the team has some smoke and mirrors at their disposal. Exactly right. There's only so much a team can withstand. My undergrad school---SDSU has a rival at New Mexico that has been going through a similar type of season as the Hoyas. Team had a bunch of transfers from high major schools and was cruising along with a strong resume--bad loss to Auburn, solid win against Wisconsin-- and then it imploded. Alleged sexual assault claims against two of their players, one a 5* with lots of red flags, really hurt that team. Injuries took out another two 4* players who transferred in and suddenly the team was without 4 starters and had only 6 players available. Have resorted to walk-ons and now getting blown out game after game. Lots of questions about their coach now and his recruiting decisions.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 3, 2020 7:59:38 GMT -5
Couldn't watch until late last night. It was an ugly rock fight at times, but what a bunch of warriors we have. Patrick shuffled defensive schemes well the last 12 minutes between man, zone and press. Blair has kept his head down and worked hard on his game for 2 1/2 years to be ready to contribute.
And anyone who thinks Marko reacted the way he did because of an elbow to the ribs? It was a dirty, sneaky little biscuit shot by Figueroa. Marko needs to learn to bide his time and respond in kind next time.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 3, 2020 8:04:50 GMT -5
GREAT WIN. Refs were very bad- not as bad as the last game, but we still got a very raw deal nonetheless, and still won- great work. Really wish Allen had not stepped in and Pickett would have dropped the Kermit Washington action on that punk. Nice to see Pickett wake up and have a pulse. That was old school Hoyas and I liked it. Are you really saying that you wish that Pickett had left him with a fractured skull, fractured jaw, smashed nose, leakage of spinal fluid, lying on the court unconscious in a pool of blood and requiring extensive facial reconstruction surgery? Because that's what happened to Rudy Tomjanovich when Kermit Washington hit him. Not really something worthy of joking about IMO. What I am saying is that I wish Pickett had cold-cocked that punk. I said nothing about the result...but I will say that Kermit Washington being run out of the game for that play was and remains a disgrace. Fights happen in sports- it is part of the game.
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Post by smokeyjack on Feb 3, 2020 9:06:12 GMT -5
Like Frazier, I couldn’t watch until post-SB. Excellent comeback and maybe Ewing’s best coaching zone to date. Can’t believe anyone is defending Morko for freaking out over a basketball play. Jagan was awful for much of the game but just kept chopping. He’s a definite warrior. Yurt was great, really great, albeit against a team without a center. He needs to play with that fire and fearless aggression against the good teams/front courts on our schedule.
Once again, Pat’s handful of possessions playing virtual packline midway through second half were awesome. More zone with man principles please! Blair was very good offensively and better than usual defensively. And Allen is only reason our season didn’t implode.
That said, SJU is horrible...truly awful. They might have taken a dozen good shots in halfcourt sets all game. Have no clue how they beat DePaul twice. We can’t compete against real teams with Mac out. Part of it is we only have two scoring-mentality guards in Mac and Blair. That’s probably the smallest number in the nation. But worse, Mac out means we have a one-man bench. That is definitely the thinnest bench in D1.
Great heart game. Lots to build on from Ewing. His decision (FINALLY) to play some sets other than tight man are why we won. Love seeing no-hedge Yurt. So much better than retreating/human screen Yurt.
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Post by centercourt400s on Feb 3, 2020 9:07:31 GMT -5
Are you really saying that you wish that Pickett had left him with a fractured skull, fractured jaw, smashed nose, leakage of spinal fluid, lying on the court unconscious in a pool of blood and requiring extensive facial reconstruction surgery? Because that's what happened to Rudy Tomjanovich when Kermit Washington hit him. Not really something worthy of joking about IMO. What I am saying is that I wish Pickett had cold-cocked that punk. I said nothing about the result...but I will say that Kermit Washington being run out of the game for that play was and remains a disgrace. Fights happen in sports- it is part of the game. Yeah, so Kermit Washington played five more seasons and 261 games in the NBA after the 1977-78 season when the punch occurred ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Washington#NBA_career_statistics). Not sure how that equates to "being run out of the game".
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 3, 2020 9:12:03 GMT -5
What I am saying is that I wish Pickett had cold-cocked that punk. I said nothing about the result...but I will say that Kermit Washington being run out of the game for that play was and remains a disgrace. Fights happen in sports- it is part of the game. Yeah, so Kermit Washington played five more seasons and 261 games in the NBA after the 1977-78 season when the punch occurred ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Washington#NBA_career_statistics). Not sure how that equates to "being run out of the game". I honestly felt Pickett overreacted. It was a block out. Get him the next time down or give him a hard foul on a drive. Don't chase after him in the open court as we are making a run. We gave up four free throws on that and Jagan's brain fart. Can't do that as our margin of error is essentially zero when we are playing two walk-ons in the heat of the game.
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Post by smokeyjack on Feb 3, 2020 9:20:51 GMT -5
I honestly felt Pickett overreacted. It was a block out. Get him the next time down or give him a hard foul on a drive. Don't chase after him in the open court as we are making a run. We gave up four free throws on that and Jagan's brain fart. Can't do that as our margin of error is essentially zero when we are playing two walk-ons in the heat of the game. Who is a walk on other than Muresan? He’s every bit as bad as you would expect, but who else are you calling a walk on?
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Post by smokeyjack on Feb 3, 2020 9:24:49 GMT -5
I honestly felt Pickett overreacted. It was a block out. Get him the next time down or give him a hard foul on a drive. Don't chase after him in the open court as we are making a run. We gave up four free throws on that and Jagan's brain fart. Can't do that as our margin of error is essentially zero when we are playing two walk-ons in the heat of the game. Who is a walk on other than Muresan? He’s every bit as bad as you would expect, but who else are you calling a walk on? Ah, I see Robinson played 2 min. To be fair, I’d rather see him than GM. Muresan is kind of tall. Otherwise...
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 3, 2020 9:25:23 GMT -5
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Post by centercourt400s on Feb 3, 2020 9:46:05 GMT -5
Who is a walk on other than Muresan? He’s every bit as bad as you would expect, but who else are you calling a walk on? Ah, I see Robinson played 2 min. To be fair, I’d rather see him than GM. Muresan is kind of tall. Otherwise... I rewatched the 2nd half last night. I share your reservations about Muresan but the first part of the comeback happened with him playing extended minutes in the press defense. In retrospect he was pretty impressive.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 3, 2020 10:17:11 GMT -5
Who is a walk on other than Muresan? He’s every bit as bad as you would expect, but who else are you calling a walk on? Walk-ons are Muresan, Robinson and Azinge.
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Post by bigelephant on Feb 3, 2020 10:23:38 GMT -5
Ah, I see Robinson played 2 min. To be fair, I’d rather see him than GM. Muresan is kind of tall. Otherwise... I rewatched the 2nd half last night. I share your reservations about Muresan but the first part of the comeback happened with him playing extended minutes in the press defense. In retrospect he was pretty impressive. I thought he was playing his heart out. You just can't ask for more then someone can give.
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Post by saxagael on Feb 3, 2020 10:29:23 GMT -5
Thanks dan, I saw the one clip of about a min gtown posted to Twitter Separate rant - why can’t the university post it in an easy to find place after every game. Creighton does. At John does (stj only posts their coach, while is annoying, but what could the reason be?) It’s MEDIA availability. Once you give access, why wouldn’t you plaster it out there? You could even sensor it if someone said something dumb.... Our AD office leaves a lot to be desired. They claim a lot is “safety of player....players are kids...etc. you can agree or disagree with that - but this is already being made available. Seems like lost opportunity to try and get more buzz. More momentum out there. They live stream and post every HOME presser on Georgetown Athletics YouTube channel. Road games are never posted. I'm guessing they dont bring equipment on the road. But something that could, and should, be easily rectified. The away press talks are often on Big East You Tube channel, or on the home team's You Tube channel. Most games have it available, but away games take some digging.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Feb 3, 2020 10:32:28 GMT -5
What should not be lost in the defensive comeback is that switching things up on defense -- be it the defense itself - man, zone, press, etc.-- or the players guarding a particular player in zone, makes a difference. Offenses get comfortable (or at least more so) when they see the same defense or defensive player time and again. Showing different looks makes it harder for the offensive team to implement changes its coaching staff wants or take advantage of substitutions it makes. We obviously can't press for prolonged periods or when we have certain players in foul trouble, but we can change things up and not let teams gameplan us into a major deficit, which has happened in many games. I hope to see more variety to our defenses from the beginning of games going forward.
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Post by saxagael on Feb 3, 2020 10:33:38 GMT -5
Is this the 2nd time this year we were down by 17 or more only to come back and win? I believe we did so in our first game ...also employing the press in the comeback. Patrick talks about this a lot. The press is his favorite defense, but he continually points out you need a solid and deep bench to press as it eats through players. Running it the last 5 to 8 minutes of the Johnny's game worked, but they also were having difficulty where they need legs, like outside shooting and attacking the basket.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 3, 2020 10:52:28 GMT -5
One way our offense could pretty immediately get better would be for Pickett to stop taking the twos where he tries to drive to the basket and inevitably misses. He's 18-57 from two in Big East play (31.6 percent). Granted, his three point shooting is basically the same in conference play, but I think he'd benefit from trying better shot selection, since he just is not good at finishing.
Pickett's O rating is 84 in conference play, which is pretty bad. As the sole wing, Pickett really needs to be out there and any improvement he can show would be very helpful, though after three years of inefficient play, it's probably not going to improve measurably. That said, last year he shot 45.1% from two in Big East play, so I think better shot selection could help there.
It was great to see our guys win yesterday. And, we did get a lot of open shots but it's hard to tell if that's St. John's poor defense or our offense. We really need McClung back if for no other reason that we simply don't have enough players to withstand any type of injury at this point.
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