hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 22, 2020 15:04:39 GMT -5
Consistently? In his last 4 seasons he was 8 games under .500 in the Big East. He finished 7th, 8th and 9th in 3 of those years. They were stellar in 2014-2015 and finished 2nd in the Big East. Beat E. Washington in Rd 1 and loss to Utah in Rd. 2. So the consistency in that 4 year stretch was bottom half of the Big East for 3 of 4 years and small upset in Rd 2 of NCAA.They did make it to rd 2 of NIT in 2013-2014. 4 years before that 7th, 8th, 4th and 1st. So 2 out of 4 years in top half of Big East. That did include 4 straight NCAA appearances with him going 1 and 3 in the tournament. That stretch included a humiliating lost as a 2 seed to FLorida Gulf Coast in Rd 1, getting blown up by Ohio as 3 seed in rd 1 and another blow out by 18 as a seed 6 to VCU. Then a 2nd round loss as a 3 seed to an 11 seed. His first 5 years cannot be questioned it included a Final Four and a Sweet Sixteen another rd of 32 appearance and 2 NIT appearances. Which deservedly bought him 8 years of mediocrity. So in the last 8 years as the head coach he finished below 7th 5 of the 8 years. Went 2 - 4 in NCAA's with 3 awful losses, literally awful. Agree Ewing better get moving in year 4 but let's not pretend the goalposts were that remarkable over the last 8 years and if 3 out of 8 years is considered consistent then I don't know the definition of the word. I am not defending nor bashing Ewing as a coach and the results are not there yet but JT3 for almost the last decade of his tenure was no Wooden. This just highlights how stupid the Ewing hire was. Asking a guy who had zero college coaching experience to rebuild this mess was nuts. It was an obviously idiotic decision then and it continues to look like an idiotic decision.
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Feb 22, 2020 16:13:02 GMT -5
No matter how you feel about Ewing, one complication of hiring him was always going to be the difficulty of terminating him when and if that became necessary. Most institutions would have less reluctance to bite that bullet than this one.
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 22, 2020 16:21:49 GMT -5
No matter how you feel about Ewing, one complication of hiring him was always going to be the difficulty of terminating him when and if that became necessary. Most institutions would have less reluctance to bite that bullet that this one. Agreed, another reason this was so dumb. Hiring a guy who was a risk but is difficult to fire is so dumb.
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Post by guru on Feb 22, 2020 16:42:39 GMT -5
No matter how you feel about Ewing, one complication of hiring him was always going to be the difficulty of terminating him when and if that became necessary. Most institutions would have less reluctance to bite that bullet that this one. Agreed, another reason this was so dumb. Hiring a guy who was a risk but is difficult to fire is so dumb. It was another move by thompson to keep control of the program. I’d jettison that guy so fast at this point. Yes he was a legend for accomplishments 35 years ago. That he’s still controlling program is beyond insane. That said, I’m rooting for Ewing. He deserves better than to be thompson’s latest pawn.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 22, 2020 16:44:34 GMT -5
This thread wants me to punch a ton of you in the face and I'm against violence.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 22, 2020 16:48:48 GMT -5
This thread wants me to punch a ton of you in the face and I'm against violence. That said, I've mentioned elsewhere about Ewing doing better in quick commitments. High Schoolers in general are more reactive (I know I was), for some of them I'm sure the quick pressure helps. Sometimes seeing the same ole guy all the time recruiting you can make you bored, resentful, anti-them. Now I dont mean this directly in terms of MAM (who?) but there is nothing wrong with quick commits. Although getting results when putting in the time would be nice.
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 22, 2020 16:50:06 GMT -5
Agreed, another reason this was so dumb. Hiring a guy who was a risk but is difficult to fire is so dumb. It was another move by thompson to keep control of the program. I’d jettison that guy so fast at this point. Yes he was a legend for accomplishments 35 years ago. That he’s still controlling program is beyond insane. That said, I’m rooting for Ewing. He deserves better than to be thompson’s latest pawn. I am rooting for Ewing and I hope I’m very wrong about how I feel about him and the future of this team. It would be amazing if Pat Ewing of all people was the guy who fixed this mess. Ewing is the symptom of the bigger Thompson problem. It’s really a shame the admin didn’t take advantage of the chance they had to completely rebuild this whole thing three years ago. That rebuild is inevitable and it’s going to be a lot harder when it happens.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 22, 2020 17:08:19 GMT -5
This thread wants me to punch a ton of you in the face and I'm against violence. Always enjoy seeing a thread get hijacked so that we can see the anti-Thompson vitriol resurface.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 22, 2020 20:24:05 GMT -5
Gtown has to walk before it can run, I'd worry about winning big in the Big East after they start consistently finishing in the top half of the conference... Categorize the recruits how you want to but I do like the fact that Sibley, Beard & Clark all know how to play & contribute without being the stars of their teams(all high-level HS programs btw)... Time will tell how it works out for PE/staff... You need to re-read DFWs post from yesterday. We have a top 10 budget, just built a $60MM facility and made Ewing one of the highest paid coaches in the nation. The recruiting class we landed this year is full of complementary players bc we missed on our top targets from high level programs— Pat doesn’t fly around the country offering 4 and 5 star players because he likes photo ops and frequent flyer miles. The “plan” isn’t to get 3 star under the radar kids. He knows the type of talent it takes to win at the level Georgetown needs to to sustain the program. Forget about the blue bloods, we are not recruiting w the Marquette’s, Xavier’s and Butlers of the world right now — each of whom have top 20 recruiting classes with 3 four stars. We still need to land a program changing recruit — hopefully 2021 is the year that the relationships he and his staff have built pay off. Until then, he will make the best of what we can with the kids that he brought in— all of whom look like solid kids who can ultimately be role players on a winning team. But don’t kid yourself that this is the plan. This basically sums up my thoughts. Again, it's great to get kids that "fit", whether they are 5 stars or 3 stars. But there's no reason to believe that we're better at identifying which kids "fit" than other schools. In fact, given some of our dismissals/transfers, you could argue we're worse at identifying which kids fit. So I don't see a lot of positive in a class full of 3 star type kids. It's not like we targeted those kids from the jump and chose them over a bunch of 5 stars. When you miss on evaluating a 5 star, it's not great. When you miss on evaluating a bunch of 3 stars, it's a disaster.
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Post by nattybumpo3152 on Feb 23, 2020 1:37:03 GMT -5
The 'one and done' argument simply doesn't explain why MAM chose OSU over GU. Big East teams have demonstrated supremacy on the court and in the rankings. Their players are getting more recognition Big 12 players. So, explain Why MAM chose OSU? Does Benjamin Franklin have anything to do with it?
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Post by mdtd on Feb 23, 2020 1:50:17 GMT -5
The 'one and done' argument simply doesn't explain why MAM chose OSU over GU. Big East teams have demonstrated supremacy on the court and in the rankings. Their players are getting more recognition Big 12 players. So, explain Why MAM chose OSU? Does Benjamin Franklin have anything to do with it?Really... There are so many reasons why he could've decided to choose Ok St. So many. I mean at this point it might be time to end this thread. Y'all are being ridiculous. Here are some which MAY have played a factor: He wants to play with his friend Cade Cunningham, he wants to play in the NCAA tourney and feels Oklahoma State is the most likely spot, he liked the coaching staff more, he felt coach Waheed was too aggressive, he liked the weather more, he liked the general city more, he thought the campus was nicer, he thought his potential dorm room was nicer, he thought the gym was nicer, he thought his role on that team would best fit him, he thought going to Oklahoma State best prepared him for the NBA, maybe a major program he was looking into was only offered at Oklahoma State, he thought the food tasted better, he thought that the people on campus at Oklahoma State were nicer, he thought that a professor he ran into was nicer, he would rather not be directly thrust into the spotlight and felt the "we want Moncrieffe" chants did exactly that, he wanted to play against a school that denied him a scholarship offer and get revenge against them, he thought the in game environment at Oklahoma State was better, he liked having an on campus arena better and so many more reasons. There isn't one reason for why anyone picks one specific college. Just because the Hoyas lost a recruiting battle doesn't automatically mean Ben Franklin was involved. I mean everyone is different.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Feb 23, 2020 4:45:12 GMT -5
You mean playing in a half-empty arena across town is not a selling point? Could have come down to $$$ and coeds. 😎
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 25, 2020 15:39:13 GMT -5
I'm not posting this for people to get upset about MAM's school choice, but more of an exit interview of sorts post recruitment. www.si.com/college/recruiting/basketball/matthew-alexander-moncrieffe-oklahoma-state-cade-cunninghamUnpacking that, he liked the coaching staff, they had playing time available, and they had his friend from Pangos on the team. Later in the post, he mentions that he's trying to recruit JT Thor to the team since they played at Pangos together as well. And in the end, it's hard to blame him for wanting to play with a talented player like Cade Cunningham.
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Post by drob12 on Jun 5, 2020 11:07:17 GMT -5
Paging Mr. Moncrieffe
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Post by cthoya16 on Jun 5, 2020 11:10:26 GMT -5
I was really hoping we’d keep a scholarship open for an unexpected situation like this........
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Post by bostonfan on Jun 5, 2020 11:15:26 GMT -5
I don't know any of the specifics about the OK State case causing this penalty, but maybe the NCAA is finally showing some backbone on these cases and making the teams who did cheat actually pay a price. I feel bad for the Cunningham kid who will only be there for a year and not get a chance to lead his team to the tournament, but he had to have some idea this was at least possible when he committed. Maybe this makes some of these recruits think twice before committing to a school under investigation.
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Post by drob12 on Jun 5, 2020 11:19:10 GMT -5
I don't know any of the specifics about the OK State case causing this penalty, but maybe the NCAA is finally showing some backbone on these cases and making the teams who did cheat actually pay a price. I feel bad for the Cunningham kid who will only be there for a year and not get a chance to lead his team to the tournament, but he had to have some idea this was at least possible when he committed. Maybe this makes some of these recruits think twice before committing to a school under investigation. It's probably only a matter of time before Cunningham jumps to the G League
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Post by hoyazeke on Jun 5, 2020 12:14:13 GMT -5
What is OkSt's violation? I would think Cunningham is the player. Who have they landed that would get the NCAA's Spidey senses activated?
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jun 5, 2020 12:16:07 GMT -5
LMAO...I had to go and check and verify it wasn't South East Oklahoma State the NCAA was hitting. Maybe the NCAA is finally showing some BALLS! I don't feel bad for Moncrieffe or any of these players that decided to go to these sketchy/shady programs. Boy if they gave Ok State this penalty, what are they going hit Kansas, Arizona or L$U with? Or Duke (long shot) once their dirty laundry is aired by Zion? Got to think a lot of players at these shady programs are really nervous now...
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Post by mdtd on Jun 5, 2020 12:25:29 GMT -5
What is OkSt's violation? I would think Cunningham is the player. Who have they landed that would get the NCAA's Spidey senses activated? This investigation for what Lamont Evans did who left the program before the Cunningham recruitment opened. From what I've seen, he accepted money to get players to sign with certain financial advisors and business managers.
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