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Post by trillesthoya on Jun 5, 2020 12:36:01 GMT -5
Hope we send a text or two to Mr. Moncrieffe to check in on how he's doing... Scholarship situations tend to work themselves out and he'd drastically change the look of this freshman class.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jun 5, 2020 13:25:27 GMT -5
Hope we send a text or two to Mr. Moncrieffe to check in on how he's doing... Scholarship situations tend to work themselves out and he'd drastically change the look of this freshman class. He signed his NLI with ok state. Contacting him/family directly in anyway would be a NCAA Level 1 infraction.
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Post by centercourt400s on Jun 5, 2020 13:46:16 GMT -5
Hope we send a text or two to Mr. Moncrieffe to check in on how he's doing... Scholarship situations tend to work themselves out and he'd drastically change the look of this freshman class. He signed his NLI with ok state. Contacting him/family directly in anyway would be a NCAA Level 1 infraction. Also, he took a calculated risk on a crooked program, and lost. No sympathy, don't want him.
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 5, 2020 13:55:08 GMT -5
LMAO...I had to go and check and verify it wasn't South East Oklahoma State the NCAA was hitting. Maybe the NCAA is finally showing some BALLS! I don't feel bad for Moncrieffe or any of these players that decided to go to these sketchy/shady programs. Boy if they gave Ok State this penalty, what are they going hit Kansas, Arizona or L$U with? Or Duke (long shot) once their dirty laundry is aired by Zion? Got to think a lot of players at these shady programs are really nervous now... I think this is overboard considering the fact that Evans wasn't caught doing anything illegal to get player to OK. State, he was caught taking money to push kids to certain agents... Plus there's no evidence that current coach Boynton had any involvement in the scandal...
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Post by mdtd on Jun 5, 2020 13:58:58 GMT -5
LMAO...I had to go and check and verify it wasn't South East Oklahoma State the NCAA was hitting. Maybe the NCAA is finally showing some BALLS! I don't feel bad for Moncrieffe or any of these players that decided to go to these sketchy/shady programs. Boy if they gave Ok State this penalty, what are they going hit Kansas, Arizona or L$U with? Or Duke (long shot) once their dirty laundry is aired by Zion? Got to think a lot of players at these shady programs are really nervous now... I think this is overboard considering the fact that Evans wasn't caught doing anything illegal to get player to OK. State, he was caught taking money to push kids to certain agents... Plus there's no evidence that current coach Boynton had any involvement in the scandal... From what I've seen there's proof he wasn't involved in this, as it happened mostly under Underwood (who was not directly involved) and while Evans was at South Carolina. I don't like the postseason ban for kids who weren't involved, or a coach who wasn't involved, but they did deserve a punishment. I don't know exactly what though. I don't know the full story in what people at Oklahoma State knew, but from what I know they did deserve some punishment.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jun 5, 2020 14:20:42 GMT -5
I think this is overboard considering the fact that Evans wasn't caught doing anything illegal to get player to OK. State, he was caught taking money to push kids to certain agents... Plus there's no evidence that current coach Boynton had any involvement in the scandal... From what I've seen there's proof he wasn't involved in this, as it happened mostly under Underwood (who was not directly involved) and while Evans was at South Carolina. I don't like the postseason ban for kids who weren't involved, or a coach who wasn't involved, but they did deserve a punishment. I don't know exactly what though. I don't know the full story in what people at Oklahoma State knew, but from what I know they did deserve some punishment. I don't feel bad for anybody involved except for potentially Coach Boykins. But the school can make it right for him financially by renegotiating his contract into something similar to what Louisville gave Chris Mack if they choose. But at the end of the day, your responsible for your staff. I Don't feel bad for prospects in Ok States 2020 class. Its not like this wasn't the biggest story in college basketball last summer.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jun 5, 2020 14:30:46 GMT -5
LMAO...I had to go and check and verify it wasn't South East Oklahoma State the NCAA was hitting. Maybe the NCAA is finally showing some BALLS! I don't feel bad for Moncrieffe or any of these players that decided to go to these sketchy/shady programs. Boy if they gave Ok State this penalty, what are they going hit Kansas, Arizona or L$U with? Or Duke (long shot) once their dirty laundry is aired by Zion? Got to think a lot of players at these shady programs are really nervous now... I think this is overboard considering the fact that Evans wasn't caught doing anything illegal to get player to OK. State, he was caught taking money to push kids to certain agents... Plus there's no evidence that current coach Boynton had any involvement in the scandal... If the NCAA does their home work and Follows the leads, expect South Carolina to get hit hard as well. I suspect that's why Coach Evans didn't cooperate with the NCAA. I don't feel bad at all for these programs who break major rules. I feel bad for the clean programs that have to compete in this cesspool. I feel bad for the clean Head Coaches and their staff that have lost their jobs trying to compete with programs cheating at every turn.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jun 5, 2020 14:35:22 GMT -5
LMAO...I had to go and check and verify it wasn't South East Oklahoma State the NCAA was hitting. Maybe the NCAA is finally showing some BALLS! I don't feel bad for Moncrieffe or any of these players that decided to go to these sketchy/shady programs. Boy if they gave Ok State this penalty, what are they going hit Kansas, Arizona or L$U with? Or Duke (long shot) once their dirty laundry is aired by Zion? Got to think a lot of players at these shady programs are really nervous now... They also loose three scholarships over the next couple of years. OUCH!
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Post by blazers32 on Jun 5, 2020 14:46:29 GMT -5
Ku should be hit just as hard
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 5, 2020 15:12:46 GMT -5
From what I've seen there's proof he wasn't involved in this, as it happened mostly under Underwood (who was not directly involved) and while Evans was at South Carolina. I don't like the postseason ban for kids who weren't involved, or a coach who wasn't involved, but they did deserve a punishment. I don't know exactly what though. I don't know the full story in what people at Oklahoma State knew, but from what I know they did deserve some punishment. I don't feel bad for anybody involved except for potentially Coach Boykins. But the school can make it right for him financially by renegotiating his contract into something similar to what Louisville gave Chris Mack if they choose. But at the end of the day, your responsible for your staff. I Don't feel bad for prospects in Ok States 2020 class. Its not like this wasn't the biggest story in college basketball last summer. But the taking of money occurred well before it was Boynton's staff and considering that Evans was making 600k per year on his contract it's reasonable to assume OK. State wanted to keep him on board after Underwood left... The bottom line to me is Boynton is getting beat up over something that was beyond his control... www.forbes.com/sites/josephnardone/2019/11/23/the-ncaa-should-drop-allegations-against-oklahoma-state/#49b2e5a33b64However, the NCAA does not allege any recruiting violations against Boynton or Oklahoma State. Furthermore, the allegations do not even mention Brad Underwood, now with Illinois, who hired Evans at Oklahoma State and was the school’s head coach at the time.
Rarely are these cases just a single bad apple operating alone; though this appears to be the exception to the rule. By all accounts, federally legal and within the NCAA’s own allegations, everything alleged was done by Evans for the sake of his own benefit.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Jun 5, 2020 15:13:53 GMT -5
Ku should be hit just as hard Let's hope, but I will believe it when I see it.
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Post by Elvado on Jun 5, 2020 15:22:25 GMT -5
Paging Count Chocula’s spinal surgeon..
The only real question is how can Hypocritzki hang this one on Pete Gaudet.
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Post by njhoyalawya on Jun 5, 2020 15:49:52 GMT -5
LMAO...I had to go and check and verify it wasn't South East Oklahoma State the NCAA was hitting. Maybe the NCAA is finally showing some BALLS! I don't feel bad for Moncrieffe or any of these players that decided to go to these sketchy/shady programs. Boy if they gave Ok State this penalty, what are they going hit Kansas, Arizona or L$U with? Or Duke (long shot) once their dirty laundry is aired by Zion? Got to think a lot of players at these shady programs are really nervous now... I think this is overboard considering the fact that Evans wasn't caught doing anything illegal to get player to OK. State, he was caught taking money to push kids to certain agents... Plus there's no evidence that current coach Boynton had any involvement in the scandal... A lot goes into negotiations. It was reported that they took this deal now, to avoid impact on future recruitment. There was perhaps an agreement to give them a "clean slate" in light of some more current "rumors." I am sure the "whole picture" was looked at before any agreement of punishment was reached.
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 5, 2020 16:43:29 GMT -5
I think this is overboard considering the fact that Evans wasn't caught doing anything illegal to get player to OK. State, he was caught taking money to push kids to certain agents... Plus there's no evidence that current coach Boynton had any involvement in the scandal... A lot goes into negotiations. It was reported that they took this deal now, to avoid impact on future recruitment. There was perhaps an agreement to give them a "clean slate" in light of some more current "rumors." I am sure the "whole picture" was looked at before any agreement of punishment was reached. According to this statement the school is going to appeal...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 5, 2020 17:42:30 GMT -5
A lot goes into negotiations. It was reported that they took this deal now, to avoid impact on future recruitment. There was perhaps an agreement to give them a "clean slate" in light of some more current "rumors." I am sure the "whole picture" was looked at before any agreement of punishment was reached. According to this statement the school is going to appeal... Most of them do. And it rarely ever works.
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Post by hoyainla on Jun 5, 2020 18:28:20 GMT -5
I think this is overboard considering the fact that Evans wasn't caught doing anything illegal to get player to OK. State, he was caught taking money to push kids to certain agents... Plus there's no evidence that current coach Boynton had any involvement in the scandal... A lot goes into negotiations. It was reported that they took this deal now, to avoid impact on future recruitment. There was perhaps an agreement to give them a "clean slate" in light of some more current "rumors." I am sure the "whole picture" was looked at before any agreement of punishment was reached. There is no way OSU agreed to this punishment with Cade on the way. They have come out swinging how overzealous this punishment was. The NCAA has now painted themselves into a corner. OSU was implicated along side the other schools that did the same thing. This is not a one off situation. If this is what they do for an assistant getting money to help players already in school I would think the stuff involving potential recruits would be worse. I will believe it all when I actually see it because the NCAA hardly ever does the right thing.
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 5, 2020 18:30:23 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 5, 2020 18:36:21 GMT -5
Maybe "rarely" was an exaggeration. But an article entitled "why the chances for a successful appeal are low" that also characterizes the chances as "dismal" suggests it is not the best argument to the contrary. When I tell a client the chances of success on an appeal are less than 30% they never feel that is pretty good.😉
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jun 5, 2020 19:23:03 GMT -5
I don't feel bad for anybody involved except for potentially Coach Boykins. But the school can make it right for him financially by renegotiating his contract into something similar to what Louisville gave Chris Mack if they choose. But at the end of the day, your responsible for your staff. I Don't feel bad for prospects in Ok States 2020 class. Its not like this wasn't the biggest story in college basketball last summer. But the taking of money occurred well before it was Boynton's staff and considering that Evans was making 600k per year on his contract it's reasonable to assume OK. State wanted to keep him on board after Underwood left... The bottom line to me is Boynton is getting beat up over something that was beyond his control... www.forbes.com/sites/josephnardone/2019/11/23/the-ncaa-should-drop-allegations-against-oklahoma-state/#49b2e5a33b64However, the NCAA does not allege any recruiting violations against Boynton or Oklahoma State. Furthermore, the allegations do not even mention Brad Underwood, now with Illinois, who hired Evans at Oklahoma State and was the school’s head coach at the time.
Rarely are these cases just a single bad apple operating alone; though this appears to be the exception to the rule. By all accounts, federally legal and within the NCAA’s own allegations, everything alleged was done by Evans for the sake of his own benefit.That's why I said I potentially feel bad for Boyton. But he's now the Head Coach of the program that's in deep trouble with the NCAA. That's also why I also stated that Ok st. should restructure his contract into something similar as Chris Mask's deal at Louisville that has all kind of incentives & bonuses for him if the program was hit hard by the NCAA for activities that happened before his tenure...
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 5, 2020 19:37:50 GMT -5
Maybe "rarely" was an exaggeration. But an article entitled "why the chances for a successful appeal are low" that also characterizes the chances as "dismal" suggests it is not the best argument to the contrary. When I tell a client the chances of success on an appeal are less than 30% they never feel that is pretty good.😉 To be fair, the article was written specifically about Georgia Tech's chances of winning an appeal not on the appeals process overall... 28% isn't great at all but it's not rare and it beats the hell out of 0%
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