dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Feb 21, 2020 21:29:06 GMT -5
I am sure coach has a plan B, C, and D!!
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Feb 21, 2020 22:05:16 GMT -5
I am sure coach has a plan B, C, and D!! I think we can skip C and D.
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madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on Feb 21, 2020 22:17:10 GMT -5
I'm so glad this is over with, I thought I was gonna hurt a few feelings the other day when I read one of EtomicB's post. I wanted to comment soo bad but it would've been all negative going into the final stages of his announcement. To be honest and this is not because he went elsewhere, the last game I seen him play he lacked defense, all of his points came off of dunks and I never seem him shoot from beyond the arc. Sure he has incredible bounce and four stars but no substance to dignify that ranking. One game does not make me an evaluator of true talent but that was a tournament game and I for one was not impressed! That doesn’t say much about our staff then bc he was clearly our #1 recruit after we missed out on RJ Davis and staff spent more time recruiting him than our four current commits combined. Can’t have it both ways.
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dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Feb 21, 2020 22:26:05 GMT -5
I am sure coach has a plan B, C, and D!! I think we can skip C and D. Ha! Ha@
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Feb 21, 2020 22:40:29 GMT -5
I don't know if he was are wasn't our #1 recruit but I do know the tournament game I seen him in I was not impressed! If I can find it I'll post it here! I've been here long enough to see Reggie Cameron and Stephen Domingo, both 4 star recruits take up space at the end of the bench. And yes they were JT3 recruits and that happen long before PE took the helm but my point is I see to many of us, the fans, get hung up on the stars that some half ass evaluator deemed as talent. We don't need more projects we need kids to put their heads down, listen to what PE and staff are telling them and get done!
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 22, 2020 1:01:27 GMT -5
I don't know whether this kid would be a huge pick up or not, but we now have a large enough sample size to show that Ewing's recruiting is not good enough to win on talent alone. We're getting a lot of guys who are real fringe high-major guys and I don't know if you can win big in the Big East with that kind of talent (unless you really have a master tactician, which Ewing has not proven to be).
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 22, 2020 2:14:35 GMT -5
I don't know whether this kid would be a huge pick up or not, but we now have a large enough sample size to show that Ewing's recruiting is not good enough to win on talent alone. We're getting a lot of guys who are real fringe high-major guys and I don't know if you can win big in the Big East with that kind of talent (unless you really have a master tactician, which Ewing has not proven to be). Gtown has to walk before it can run, I'd worry about winning big in the Big East after they start consistently finishing in the top half of the conference... Categorize the recruits how you want to but I do like the fact that Sibley, Beard & Clark all know how to play & contribute without being the stars of their teams(all high-level HS programs btw)... Time will tell how it works out for PE/staff...
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Post by jwp91 on Feb 22, 2020 6:47:17 GMT -5
I don't know whether this kid would be a huge pick up or not, but we now have a large enough sample size to show that Ewing's recruiting is not good enough to win on talent alone. We're getting a lot of guys who are real fringe high-major guys and I don't know if you can win big in the Big East with that kind of talent (unless you really have a master tactician, which Ewing has not proven to be). If we learned anything this year, we should have learned that we are best when players play their role in a TEAM and that individual brilliance is frequently a fools gold. Give me another Terell Allen. Give me another Mosely. Give me players who want to work together. Then we will be fine.
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Post by IDenj on Feb 22, 2020 6:50:19 GMT -5
MAM was on the Raptors halftime show on TSN last night, sitting there in his Oklahoma Lt gear.
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madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on Feb 22, 2020 6:55:34 GMT -5
I don't know whether this kid would be a huge pick up or not, but we now have a large enough sample size to show that Ewing's recruiting is not good enough to win on talent alone. We're getting a lot of guys who are real fringe high-major guys and I don't know if you can win big in the Big East with that kind of talent (unless you really have a master tactician, which Ewing has not proven to be). Gtown has to walk before it can run, I'd worry about winning big in the Big East after they start consistently finishing in the top half of the conference... Categorize the recruits how you want to but I do like the fact that Sibley, Beard & Clark all know how to play & contribute without being the stars of their teams(all high-level HS programs btw)... Time will tell how it works out for PE/staff... You need to re-read DFWs post from yesterday. We have a top 10 budget, just built a $60MM facility and made Ewing one of the highest paid coaches in the nation. The recruiting class we landed this year is full of complementary players bc we missed on our top targets from high level programs— Pat doesn’t fly around the country offering 4 and 5 star players because he likes photo ops and frequent flyer miles. The “plan” isn’t to get 3 star under the radar kids. He knows the type of talent it takes to win at the level Georgetown needs to to sustain the program. Forget about the blue bloods, we are not recruiting w the Marquette’s, Xavier’s and Butlers of the world right now — each of whom have top 20 recruiting classes with 3 four stars. We still need to land a program changing recruit — hopefully 2021 is the year that the relationships he and his staff have built pay off. Until then, he will make the best of what we can with the kids that he brought in— all of whom look like solid kids who can ultimately be role players on a winning team. But don’t kid yourself that this is the plan.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 22, 2020 7:03:49 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Feb 22, 2020 7:06:38 GMT -5
Whatever top recruits are attracted to, we clearly are not offering it at GU. ☹️
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Post by oldbigeast on Feb 22, 2020 8:13:35 GMT -5
I don't know whether this kid would be a huge pick up or not, but we now have a large enough sample size to show that Ewing's recruiting is not good enough to win on talent alone. We're getting a lot of guys who are real fringe high-major guys and I don't know if you can win big in the Big East with that kind of talent (unless you really have a master tactician, which Ewing has not proven to be). This post got me heated. Because it's true.
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Post by Omega on Feb 22, 2020 8:49:46 GMT -5
What a bunch of sore losers. The sky is always falling around this place.
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Post by TC on Feb 22, 2020 9:32:00 GMT -5
I don't know whether this kid would be a huge pick up or not, but we now have a large enough sample size to show that Ewing's recruiting is not good enough to win on talent alone. We're getting a lot of guys who are real fringe high-major guys and I don't know if you can win big in the Big East with that kind of talent (unless you really have a master tactician, which Ewing has not proven to be). Gtown has to walk before it can run, I'd worry about winning big in the Big East after they start consistently finishing in the top half of the conference... We had a coach that consistently finished in the top of the conference and we were told it wasn't enough because of tournament results. The goalposts have really moved for Ewing.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 22, 2020 9:57:41 GMT -5
Gtown has to walk before it can run, I'd worry about winning big in the Big East after they start consistently finishing in the top half of the conference... Categorize the recruits how you want to but I do like the fact that Sibley, Beard & Clark all know how to play & contribute without being the stars of their teams(all high-level HS programs btw)... Time will tell how it works out for PE/staff... You need to re-read DFWs post from yesterday. We have a top 10 budget, just built a $60MM facility and made Ewing one of the highest paid coaches in the nation. The recruiting class we landed this year is full of complementary players bc we missed on our top targets from high level programs— Pat doesn’t fly around the country offering 4 and 5 star players because he likes photo ops and frequent flyer miles. The “plan” isn’t to get 3 star under the radar kids. He knows the type of talent it takes to win at the level Georgetown needs to to sustain the program. Forget about the blue bloods, we are not recruiting w the Marquette’s, Xavier’s and Butlers of the world right now — each of whom have top 20 recruiting classes with 3 four stars. We still need to land a program changing recruit — hopefully 2021 is the year that the relationships he and his staff have built pay off. Until then, he will make the best of what we can with the kids that he brought in— all of whom look like solid kids who can ultimately be role players on a winning team. But don’t kid yourself that this is the plan. The budget is top 10 due to arena costs, I'd like to see where it would be without that expense. The facilities are nice but Gtown needed them to keep up with what most other programs have... What about my post suggested that I thought this was the staffs recruiting plan? I think you're deluding yourself waiting for some ”program changing” recruit to come along, right now Gtown is not a very attractive option to kids on that level, it is what it is... I don't hope they land a program changing player, I hope they develop one. If they can do that, it'll help them in their future recruiting in my view
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 22, 2020 10:00:45 GMT -5
Gtown has to walk before it can run, I'd worry about winning big in the Big East after they start consistently finishing in the top half of the conference... We had a coach that consistently finished in the top of the conference and we were told it wasn't enough because of tournament results. The goalposts have really moved for Ewing. I'm not moving any goal posts TC, I'm acknowledging that Gtown is crawling right now... Not sure how the statement you quoted can be read any other way...
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 22, 2020 10:19:15 GMT -5
Consistently?
In his last 4 seasons he was 8 games under .500 in the Big East. He finished 7th, 8th and 9th in 3 of those years. They were stellar in 2014-2015 and finished 2nd in the Big East. Beat E. Washington in Rd 1 and loss to Utah in Rd. 2. So the consistency in that 4 year stretch was bottom half of the Big East for 3 of 4 years and small upset in Rd 2 of NCAA.They did make it to rd 2 of NIT in 2013-2014.
4 years before that 7th, 8th, 4th and 1st. So 2 out of 4 years in top half of Big East. That did include 4 straight NCAA appearances with him going 1 and 3 in the tournament. That stretch included a humiliating lost as a 2 seed to FLorida Gulf Coast in Rd 1, getting blown up by Ohio as 3 seed in rd 1 and another blow out by 18 as a seed 6 to VCU. Then a 2nd round loss as a 3 seed to an 11 seed.
His first 5 years cannot be questioned it included a Final Four and a Sweet Sixteen another rd of 32 appearance and 2 NIT appearances. Which deservedly bought him 8 years of mediocrity.
So in the last 8 years as the head coach he finished below 7th 5 of the 8 years. Went 2 - 4 in NCAA's with 3 awful losses, literally awful.
Agree Ewing better get moving in year 4 but let's not pretend the goalposts were that remarkable over the last 8 years and if 3 out of 8 years is considered consistent then I don't know the definition of the word. I am not defending nor bashing Ewing as a coach and the results are not there yet but JT3 for almost the last decade of his tenure was no Wooden.
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Post by TC on Feb 22, 2020 10:31:21 GMT -5
We had a coach that consistently finished in the top of the conference and we were told it wasn't enough because of tournament results. The goalposts have really moved for Ewing. I'm not moving any goal posts TC, I'm acknowledging that Gtown is crawling right now... Not sure how the statement you quoted can be read any other way... You are right, I am just a little frustrated on how the goalposts are being relaxed to places that they probably shouldn't be. To bring this back to MAM, we're not just missing on top 50's, which is a pond we probably shouldn't be swimming in at all - we're missing on our top targets outside of the top 100's like MAM. I'm not suggesting we should start recruiting top 50's - but something is wrong if Kirby is the only who can close the deal on a prospect. Maybe I'm wrong on that and the other assistants have been leads on some of our targets, but it seems like Kirby is the only really successful one and we're kind of floundering because we're only really playing off of his list.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Feb 22, 2020 10:40:27 GMT -5
I'm not moving any goal posts TC, I'm acknowledging that Gtown is crawling right now... Not sure how the statement you quoted can be read any other way... You are right, I am just a little frustrated on how the goalposts are being relaxed to places that they probably shouldn't be. To bring this back to MAM, we're not just missing on top 50's - we're missing on our top targets outside of the top 100's like MAM. I'm not suggesting we should start recruiting top 50's - but something is wrong if Kirby is the only who can close the deal on a prospect. Maybe I'm wrong on that and the other assistants have been leads on some of our targets, but it seems like Kirby is the only really successful one and we're kind of floundering because we're only really playing off of his list. Completely agree with this. In the last two years, the recruiting narrative has even moved the goalposts from “we don’t need 5 stars and top 4 stars as long as we are getting recruits in the 50-150 range and recruiting the DMV” to “doesn’t matter a kids ranking or where in the country they’re from, Pat has an eye for talent and can coach them up.” Do a search for “150” if you think I am exaggerating.
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