Update on Prior Transfers

[hoyaboya]

Thought it might be interesting to look at the current statistics for a few players that transferred out of GU in the last year or so. If Copeland and White could have been developed as Hoyas, we really did have the makings of a big-time frontcourt, having those two along with Derrickson and Govan.

Isaac Copeland, Jr. at Nebraska (17-8 overall, 8-4 and 4th place in Big Ten): 13.2 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.2 apg, 48.1% fg, 35.3% 3fg, 71.2% ft, 0.8 spg, 1.2 bpg
Paul White, Jr. at Oregon (15-8 overall, 5-5 and 6th place in Pac-12): 10.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 1.8 apg, 46.0% fg, 32.8% 3fg, 84.0% ft, 0.5 spg, 0.6 bpg
Akoy Agau, Sr. at SMU (15-8 overall, 5-5 and 5th place in AAC): 3.1 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 0.5 apg, 45.7% fg, 20.0% 3fg, 70.4% ft, 0.2 spg, 0.2 bpg

[BigmanU]

Feb 6, 2018 10:52:42 GMT -5 hoyaboya said:

Thought it might be interesting to look at the current statistics for a few players that transferred out of GU in the last year or so. If Copeland and White could have been developed as Hoyas, we really did have the makings of a big-time frontcourt, having those two along with Derrickson and Govan.

Isaac Copeland, Jr. at Nebraska (17-8 overall, 8-4 and 4th place in Big Ten): 13.2 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.2 apg, 48.1% fg, 35.3% 3fg, 71.2% ft, 0.8 spg, 1.2 bpg
Paul White, Jr. at Oregon (15-8 overall, 5-5 and 6th place in Pac-12): 10.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 1.8 apg, 46.0% fg, 32.8% 3fg, 84.0% ft, 0.5 spg, 0.6 bpg
Akoy Agau, Sr. at SMU (15-8 overall, 5-5 and 5th place in AAC): 3.1 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 0.5 apg, 45.7% fg, 20.0% 3fg, 70.4% ft, 0.2 spg, 0.2 bpg

Rather have Derrickson & Pickett playing the forward positions. They would just be depth at this point which I guess could be used. Really not losing sleep over any of these guys because none are difference makers. Overrated players in my personal opinion.

In terms of Ike specifically, he was just soft. I have other things to say, but I'll just stop there. I doubt any other Hoya in the Ewing era will be given this label. That is what I'm most optimistic about.

[bamahoya11]

Interesting stats. I had completely forgotten that Agau was still in college. What a journey. As for Paul and Isaac, I certainly wish they had both found their place here. They're both capable of being meaningful contributors to any team and would have given us a lot more in terms of depth and lineup options. That said, there's a lot of water under the bridge at this point. They did what was best for them. Hope they're enjoying their respective schools.

[Ranch Dressing]

JTIII's highly ranked and much-heralded class of Copeland, White, Peak, and Campbell turned out to be a complete bust from a Hoya production standpoint.

[hoyainspirit]

Feb 6, 2018 12:29:05 GMT -5 Ranch Dressing said:

JTIII's highly ranked and much-heralded class of Copeland, White, Peak, and Campbell turned out to be a complete bust from a Hoya production standpoint.

Except for Peak.

[TC]

Former Hoya verbal Noah Dickerson was NCAA player of the week.

[hoyasaxa2003]

Feb 6, 2018 12:29:05 GMT -5 Ranch Dressing said:

JTIII's highly ranked and much-heralded class of Copeland, White, Peak, and Campbell turned out to be a complete bust from a Hoya production standpoint.

Yes, and that was really his ultimate downfall.

On the players, I think it would be insane to say they wouldn't help our team. Paul White's offensive efficiency at Oregon is 116.9 (105.8 in conference play), he has an extremely low turnover rate (13.2, way lower than our players), he's shooting twos at 56%, and he's 84% at free throws.

Copeland's offensive efficiency is 114.7 (119.7 in conference play). He's shooting 54% on twos, 35.4% on threes, his turnover rate is an incredibly low 9.5, and he's rebounding fairly well.

At worst, both White or Copeland would be the third best player on this team. I would love to have either one.

[blueandgray]

JT3's ultimate downfall was not offering Josh Hart a scholarship when he was begging for one. A kid like that would have made a big impact on our team and he would have paired up with DSR and LJP nicely. He's starting for the Lakers now and playing well.

In the end, the JT3 era had to run its course, but I have to think he would still have a job had he offered the kid a scholarship.

[MCIGuy]

Feb 6, 2018 11:45:39 GMT -5 BigmanU said:

Feb 6, 2018 10:52:42 GMT -5 hoyaboya said:

Thought it might be interesting to look at the current statistics for a few players that transferred out of GU in the last year or so. If Copeland and White could have been developed as Hoyas, we really did have the makings of a big-time frontcourt, having those two along with Derrickson and Govan.

Isaac Copeland, Jr. at Nebraska (17-8 overall, 8-4 and 4th place in Big Ten): 13.2 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.2 apg, 48.1% fg, 35.3% 3fg, 71.2% ft, 0.8 spg, 1.2 bpg
Paul White, Jr. at Oregon (15-8 overall, 5-5 and 6th place in Pac-12): 10.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 1.8 apg, 46.0% fg, 32.8% 3fg, 84.0% ft, 0.5 spg, 0.6 bpg
Akoy Agau, Sr. at SMU (15-8 overall, 5-5 and 5th place in AAC): 3.1 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 0.5 apg, 45.7% fg, 20.0% 3fg, 70.4% ft, 0.2 spg, 0.2 bpg

Rather have Derrickson & Pickett playing the forward positions. They would just be depth at this point which I guess could be used. Really not losing sleep over any of these guys because none are difference makers. Overrated players in my personal opinion.

In terms of Ike specifically, he was just soft. I have other things to say, but I'll just stop there. I doubt any other Hoya in the Ewing era will be given this label. That is what I'm most optimistic about.

I loved Paul White's game. Didn't see him as overrated. Only wish III had put the ball in his hands more his frosh season rather than allowing DSR to waste so much energy with that duty.

[MCIGuy]

Feb 6, 2018 15:57:01 GMT -5 blueandgray said:

JT3's ultimate downfall was not offering Josh Hart a scholarship when he was begging for one. A kid like that would have made a big impact on our team and he would have paired up with DSR and LJP nicely. He's starting for the Lakers now and playing well.

In the end, the JT3 era had to run its course, but I have to think he would still have a job had he offered the kid a scholarship.

Think Hart was better off going to Nova because the style was a better fit for him. Villanova plays a hard-nose style of basketball that none of III's teams, even the great ones, never exhibited. I certainly don't think III's teams win a championship with Hart.

[miracles87]

Wow, glad to hear the fellas are doing well!

[hoyainla]

Feb 6, 2018 11:45:39 GMT -5 BigmanU said:

Rather have Derrickson & Pickett playing the forward positions. They would just be depth at this point which I guess could be used. Really not losing sleep over any of these guys because none are difference makers. Overrated players in my personal opinion.

This is one of the most ridiculous statements ever made on this board and that is saying something. I hope its just your hatred of all ex Hoyas that made you write it. Paul and Ike would be between the 2nd and 4th best players on this team and we would have a good chance of being a tournament team with them. Mainly because I doubt Pat punts the preseason if he had them.

[HometownHoya]

I'd wonder how the line-ups work. Do we run a PG, White, Cope, Doc, Jessie lineup out there? Do we get Blair and Pickett at all (I think no)?

[BigmanU]

Feb 6, 2018 21:48:00 GMT -5 hoyainla said:

Feb 6, 2018 11:45:39 GMT -5 BigmanU said:

Rather have Derrickson & Pickett playing the forward positions. They would just be depth at this point which I guess could be used. Really not losing sleep over any of these guys because none are difference makers. Overrated players in my personal opinion.

This is one of the most ridiculous statements ever made on this board and that is saying something. I hope its just your hatred of all ex Hoyas that made you write it. Paul and Ike would be between the 2nd and 4th best players on this team and we would have a good chance of being a tournament team with them. Mainly because I doubt Pat punts the preseason if he had them.

Paul White would have been depth on this team. He would not have started over Derrickson. I actually feel its questionable if Copeland would have started over Pickett, maybe earlier on. 4th year Copeland may not ever be more productive as 1st year Pickett at this point in the season. Copeland is soft and doesn't fit the mold of a Ewing type of player. Copeland is also a liability on defense. Maybe, maybe Ewing could have brought that out of him but, sometimes you just are who you are. He is just a butterfly with no bull tendencies. We are top of the BEast in rebounding for a reason. The player we needed this season was Peak. Both Copeland & White could have been needed depth, (which could be used) but nothing more. This team needs skilled guards not average forwards.

Think about it, if they were that good we would have gone further than we did with them on the roster. They ran their course for a reason. Paul I wish the best for, but in Ike's case good riddance.

[practice]

Feb 6, 2018 21:50:49 GMT -5 HometownHoya said:

I'd wonder how the line-ups work. Do we run a PG, White, Cope, Doc, Jessie lineup out there? Do we get Blair and Pickett at all (I think no)?

That line up would require 3 players we don't currently have:  Copeland, White and a PG!  

[hoyasaxa2003]

Feb 7, 2018 10:42:45 GMT -5 BigmanU said:

Paul White would have been depth on this team. He would not have started over Derrickson. I actually feel its questionable if Copeland would have started over Pickett, maybe earlier on. 4th year Copeland may not ever be more productive as 1st year Pickett at this point in the season. Copeland is soft and doesn't fit the mold of a Ewing type of player. Copeland is also a liability on defense. Maybe, maybe Ewing could have brought that out of him but, sometimes you just are who you are. He is just a butterfly with no bull tendencies. We are top of the BEast in rebounding for a reason. The player we needed this season was Peak. Both Copeland & White could have been needed depth, (which could be used) but nothing more. This team needs skilled guards not average forwards.

Think about it, if they were that good we would have gone further than we did with them on the roster. They ran their course for a reason. Paul I wish the best for, but in Ike's case good riddance.

Copeland is far more productive this season at Nebraska than Pickett has been, so I am not sure what your basis is for that statement. On defense, you're right - Copeland was horrible and I doubt he's improved much, but Pickett isn't a great defender either, so I don't find that to be a key factor there.

White would also be a much better option at SF, if we had him. They wouldn't be depth, they'd be starters.

[BigmanU]

Feb 7, 2018 11:59:24 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

Feb 7, 2018 10:42:45 GMT -5 BigmanU said:

Paul White would have been depth on this team. He would not have started over Derrickson. I actually feel its questionable if Copeland would have started over Pickett, maybe earlier on. 4th year Copeland may not ever be more productive as 1st year Pickett at this point in the season. Copeland is soft and doesn't fit the mold of a Ewing type of player. Copeland is also a liability on defense. Maybe, maybe Ewing could have brought that out of him but, sometimes you just are who you are. He is just a butterfly with no bull tendencies. We are top of the BEast in rebounding for a reason. The player we needed this season was Peak. Both Copeland & White could have been needed depth, (which could be used) but nothing more. This team needs skilled guards not average forwards.

Think about it, if they were that good we would have gone further than we did with them on the roster. They ran their course for a reason. Paul I wish the best for, but in Ike's case good riddance.

Copeland is far more productive this season at Nebraska than Pickett has been, so I am not sure what your basis is for that statement. On defense, you're right - Copeland was horrible and I doubt he's improved much, but Pickett isn't a great defender either, so I don't find that to be a key factor there.

White would also be a much better option at SF, if we had him. They wouldn't be depth, they'd be starters.

Both would not start, we would be atrocious defensively. I'll say this again. We are the best rebounding team in the BEast for a reason. Neither is moving the needle, Peak would however.

[DanMcQ]

Feb 6, 2018 15:57:01 GMT -5 blueandgray said:

JT3's ultimate downfall was not offering Josh Hart a scholarship when he was begging for one. A kid like that would have made a big impact on our team and he would have paired up with DSR and LJP nicely. He's starting for the Lakers now and playing well.

In the end, the JT3 era had to run its course, but I have to think he would still have a job had he offered the kid a scholarship.

I'm not sure starting for this year's Lakers team is any great accomplishment but I totally get what you're saying.

[hoyainla]

Feb 7, 2018 11:59:24 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

Feb 7, 2018 10:42:45 GMT -5 BigmanU said:

Paul White would have been depth on this team. He would not have started over Derrickson. I actually feel its questionable if Copeland would have started over Pickett, maybe earlier on. 4th year Copeland may not ever be more productive as 1st year Pickett at this point in the season. Copeland is soft and doesn't fit the mold of a Ewing type of player. Copeland is also a liability on defense. Maybe, maybe Ewing could have brought that out of him but, sometimes you just are who you are. He is just a butterfly with no bull tendencies. We are top of the BEast in rebounding for a reason. The player we needed this season was Peak. Both Copeland & White could have been needed depth, (which could be used) but nothing more. This team needs skilled guards not average forwards.

Think about it, if they were that good we would have gone further than we did with them on the roster. They ran their course for a reason. Paul I wish the best for, but in Ike's case good riddance.

Copeland is far more productive this season at Nebraska than Pickett has been, so I am not sure what your basis is for that statement. On defense, you're right - Copeland was horrible and I doubt he's improved much, but Pickett isn't a great defender either, so I don't find that to be a key factor there.

White would also be a much better option at SF, if we had him. They wouldn't be depth, they'd be starters.

He's just butt hurt. There is no way any knowledgeable basketball fan would believe what he is saying. Ike is the second leading scorer and top rebounder in conference on a Nebraska team stunk last year and is in good shape to make the tourney this year. He also has a better DRtg by 6 point per 100 over anyone on this team right now. Cope clearly had a falling out with JTIII and seemingly with most of the team. Ike wasn't the toughest guy but neither is Jessie. Paul would likely be the ball handler and decision maker in all these late game collapses. Both guys would be huge factors for this current team.

[the_way]

Feb 6, 2018 15:57:01 GMT -5 blueandgray said:

JT3's ultimate downfall was not offering Josh Hart a scholarship when he was begging for one. A kid like that would have made a big impact on our team and he would have paired up with DSR and LJP nicely. He's starting for the Lakers now and playing well.

In the end, the JT3 era had to run its course, but I have to think he would still have a job had he offered the kid a scholarship.

Didn't Maryland's Anthony Cowan grow up a Georgetown fan as well?

Read an article where it said we offered him, but his dad said we didn't recruit him hard enough?