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Post by EtomicB on Feb 20, 2018 11:49:46 GMT -5
Ok, but would you take Kaleb or Walker over Copeland? But Copeland plays the 4 for Nebraska. On top of having to wait until he's a Senior to put up 13 and 6 our 4 man is pretty good.. I wish him the best. I like to see him do well, but I don't miss him. Ok, but would he get time ahead of Kaleb & Walker? That's the question in my view, to me folks can't make it seem like Copeland wouldn't better this team.. Also, he did average 11.1 & 5.4 as a sophomore..
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Post by BigmanU on Feb 20, 2018 11:58:59 GMT -5
But Copeland plays the 4 for Nebraska. On top of having to wait until he's a Senior to put up 13 and 6 our 4 man is pretty good.. I wish him the best. I like to see him do well, but I don't miss him. Ok, but would he get time ahead of Kaleb & Walker? That's the question in my view, to me folks can't make it seem like Copeland wouldn't better this team.. Also, he did average 11.1 & 5.4 as a sophomore.. Kaleb is a wing, so what's the comparison. Yes he would see time over Walker, but that's a low bar for a 22 year old. Also, he wouldn't average what he does now coming off the bench. He would be the first man off the bench backing up either Derrickson or Pickett. Would you start Copeland over Derrickson? That's a question you need to answer in this scenario. He would give the team more depth, that's all.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 20, 2018 12:18:06 GMT -5
But Copeland plays the 4 for Nebraska. On top of having to wait until he's a Senior to put up 13 and 6 our 4 man is pretty good.. I wish him the best. I like to see him do well, but I don't miss him. Ok, but would he get time ahead of Kaleb & Walker? That's the question in my view, to me folks can't make it seem like Copeland wouldn't better this team.. Also, he did average 11.1 & 5.4 as a sophomore.. I get your meaning but, considering that Isaac is a senior, he'd spend a ton of time nailed to the bench for not playing any defense at all. Pat don't play that.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 20, 2018 12:49:01 GMT -5
Ok, but would he get time ahead of Kaleb & Walker? That's the question in my view, to me folks can't make it seem like Copeland wouldn't better this team.. Also, he did average 11.1 & 5.4 as a sophomore.. Kaleb is a wing, so what's the comparison. Yes he would see time over Walker, but that's a low bar for a 22 year old. Also, he wouldn't average what he does now coming off the bench. He would be the first man off the bench backing up either Derrickson or Pickett. Would you start Copeland over Derrickson? That's a question you need to answer in this scenario. He would give the team more depth, that's all. If I had a choice of starting Kaleb or Copeland, I'm going Copeland even soph year Copeland.. No offense to Kaleb who I like.. Your 22 year old reference doesn't have relevance in my opinion, Copeland is eligible to play college ball.. Were you thinking about Pryor's age last season? So in your opinion he'd backup Pickett at the 2 & MD at the 4? That seems odd to me.. I said in both my posts that I accept that Copeland isn't a better choice over MD or Pickett.. Kaleb however is a different discussion.. Added depth on this team would be a good thing imo..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 12:50:52 GMT -5
But Copeland plays the 4 for Nebraska. On top of having to wait until he's a Senior to put up 13 and 6 our 4 man is pretty good.. I wish him the best. I like to see him do well, but I don't miss him. Ok, but would he get time ahead of Kaleb & Walker? That's the question in my view, to me folks can't make it seem like Copeland wouldn't better this team.. Also, he did average 11.1 & 5.4 as a sophomore.. Maybe, but not enough to make a significant difference imo. Do you think Copeland played well his Sophomore season? I don't. Maybe that was based on expectations, but if you give Kaleb the same number of minutes Ike got as a Soph his stats would be close to identical in raw numbers. Kaleb's advanced stats would be much better though. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kaleb-johnson-1.htmlwww.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/isaac-copeland-1.htmlImo Copeland isn't a 3 and that's part of the reason he struggled here. I'm happy he's found his groove but I'm not upset it didn't happen here. I like the chemistry with the guys we have now and it's been fun watching them grow.
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Post by BigmanU on Feb 20, 2018 13:08:37 GMT -5
Kaleb is a wing, so what's the comparison. Yes he would see time over Walker, but that's a low bar for a 22 year old. Also, he wouldn't average what he does now coming off the bench. He would be the first man off the bench backing up either Derrickson or Pickett. Would you start Copeland over Derrickson? That's a question you need to answer in this scenario. He would give the team more depth, that's all. If I had a choice of starting Kaleb or Copeland, I'm going Copeland even soph year Copeland.. No offense to Kaleb who I like.. Your 22 year old reference doesn't have relevance in my opinion, Copeland is eligible to play college ball.. Were you thinking about Pryor's age last season? So in your opinion he'd backup Pickett at the 2 & MD at the 4? That seems odd to me.. I said in both my posts that I accept that Copeland isn't a better choice over MD or Pickett.. Kaleb however is a different discussion.. Added depth on this team would be a good thing imo.. Pickett guards the opposing teams 3, not the 2. That would be a terrible lineup defensively if Copeland replaces Johnson. Copeland would be coming off the bench in any scenario replacing Pickett or Derrickson You can't trot the lineup out that you keep consisting of Mulmore-Pickett-Copeland-Derrickson-Govan. Guards would just attack that lineup. Copeland is atrocious on defense. I don't understand your vision and how it would make the team better. He would have to comes off the bench to be a plus.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 20, 2018 13:16:37 GMT -5
If I had a choice of starting Kaleb or Copeland, I'm going Copeland even soph year Copeland.. No offense to Kaleb who I like.. Your 22 year old reference doesn't have relevance in my opinion, Copeland is eligible to play college ball.. Were you thinking about Pryor's age last season? So in your opinion he'd backup Pickett at the 2 & MD at the 4? That seems odd to me.. I said in both my posts that I accept that Copeland isn't a better choice over MD or Pickett.. Kaleb however is a different discussion.. Added depth on this team would be a good thing imo.. Pickett guards the opposing teams 3, not the 2. That would be a terrible lineup defensively if Copeland replaces Johnson. Copeland would be coming off the bench in any scenario replacing Pickett or Derrickson You can't trot the lineup out that you keep consisting of Mulmore-Pickett-Copeland-Derrickson-Govan. Guards would just attack that lineup. Copeland is atrocious on defense. I don't understan Guards aren't attacking the current starting lineup? KJ isn't that good defensively that I would want to live with his limited offensive skills..
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Post by BigmanU on Feb 20, 2018 13:27:42 GMT -5
Pickett guards the opposing teams 3, not the 2. That would be a terrible lineup defensively if Copeland replaces Johnson. Copeland would be coming off the bench in any scenario replacing Pickett or Derrickson You can't trot the lineup out that you keep consisting of Mulmore-Pickett-Copeland-Derrickson-Govan. Guards would just attack that lineup. Copeland is atrocious on defense. I don't understan Guards aren't attacking the current starting lineup? KJ isn't that good defensively that I would want to live with his limited offensive skills.. Yes. He is not elite, but he's one of the best we have on the roster. Someone would have to stop opposing guards from penetrating. We all know Copeland is not the answer defensively. To hide Copeland defensively, he would have to play the 4. Derrickson currently has that on lock! Your trying to fit a square peg in a round hole at this point.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 20, 2018 13:40:06 GMT -5
Ok, but would he get time ahead of Kaleb & Walker? That's the question in my view, to me folks can't make it seem like Copeland wouldn't better this team.. Also, he did average 11.1 & 5.4 as a sophomore.. Maybe, but not enough to make a significant difference imo. Do you think Copeland played well his Sophomore season? I don't. Maybe that was based on expectations, but if you give Kaleb the same number of minutes Ike got as a Soph his stats would be close to identical in raw numbers. Kaleb's advanced stats would be much better though. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kaleb-johnson-1.htmlwww.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/isaac-copeland-1.htmlImo Copeland isn't a 3 and that's part of the reason he struggled here. I'm happy he's found his groove but I'm not upset it didn't happen here. I like the chemistry with the guys we have now and it's been fun watching them grow. I agree that Ike isn't an ideal 3 man but there's a big difference in the 3 spot for JT3 than PE.. I'm not pining for Copeland either but the narrative that he couldn't help this team is false imo, that's the only point I've been trying to make..
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 20, 2018 13:44:10 GMT -5
Guards aren't attacking the current starting lineup? KJ isn't that good defensively that I would want to live with his limited offensive skills.. Yes. He is not elite, but he's the one of the best we have on the roster. Someone would have to stop opposing guards from penetrating. We all know Copeland I not the answer. To hide Copeland defensively, he would have to play the 4. Derrickson currently has that on lock! Your trying to fit a square peg in a round hole at this point. Ok, I'll concede that Ike won't play over Kaleb but would he be valuable off the bench for this team?
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Post by bigskyhoya on Feb 20, 2018 13:46:24 GMT -5
Copeland would definitely help on talent alone, without considering the reasons he is no longer with the team.
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Post by BigmanU on Feb 20, 2018 13:53:00 GMT -5
Yes. He is not elite, but he's the one of the best we have on the roster. Someone would have to stop opposing guards from penetrating. We all know Copeland I not the answer. To hide Copeland defensively, he would have to play the 4. Derrickson currently has that on lock! Your trying to fit a square peg in a round hole at this point. Ok, I'll concede that One won't play over Kaleb but would he be valuable off the bench for this team? Yes. He would strengthen the bench and be the first to replace Derrickson or Pickett. I've said as much my last few posts. I still don't think he moves the needle however. I'm glad he finally found a home.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 20, 2018 17:55:37 GMT -5
Ok, I'll concede that One won't play over Kaleb but would he be valuable off the bench for this team? Yes. He would strengthen the bench and be the first to replace Derrickson or Pickett. I've said as much my last few posts. I still don't think he moves the needle however. I'm glad he finally found a home. What about when Govan goes out & MD moves to the 5? Copeland wouldn't have helped in that lineup too? Considering how many close losses Gtown has had this season even a slight move of the needle could have been big record wise.. As I posted previously, I'm not pining for Ike to be on this year's team but again folks can't pretend as though Gtown wouldn't be better with him..
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Post by mdtd on Feb 20, 2018 18:28:03 GMT -5
This system would fit Isaac perfectly. He was expected to be an NBA player at this point, with being ranked top 20 on ESPN. Isaac could be incredible now, and have developed with Pat Ewing as her coach. He was capable of being a star and still could be. This is a fast system, where Isaac could work. He did not fit in the Princeton offense, he needed a fast pace offense, where he could shoot and play his way. This was the worst school for him to go to with what was ran by the Hoyas, and it made him worse.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 20, 2018 22:36:46 GMT -5
I don't know if Copeland would have been better under Ewing, but what I do know is that his defense has always been so bad he never had a chance at the NBA.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Feb 20, 2018 23:11:00 GMT -5
He is a great athlete and runs well, so he certainly would have benefited from Pat’s new system. I’m not saying he would have been drafted, but there are plenty of NBA players who don’t play much defense.
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 20, 2018 23:11:02 GMT -5
Ok, I'll concede that One won't play over Kaleb but would he be valuable off the bench for this team? Yes. He would strengthen the bench and be the first to replace Derrickson or Pickett. I've said as much my last few posts. I still don't think he moves the needle however. I'm glad he finally found a home. Ike needed a change of environment. He arrived at Georgetown thinking he would be the next big thing....those hopes came crashing down and his confidence followed. He needed to reboot and Nebraska provided that opportunity.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Feb 20, 2018 23:50:35 GMT -5
To me, Isaac was an enigma. I think he is a good kid. And he has had to accept reduced expectations. I agree that he would have been better in a running system. I don’t see him on Pat’s team though. He needs to play with heart and energy. Has anyone ever seen that? I haven’t seen that in the Nebraska games I’ve watched.
I really hope he does well next year, in his final season of eligibility.
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Post by seaweed on Feb 21, 2018 9:55:35 GMT -5
Still no word on where Chris Sodom is these days.
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Post by gamp on Feb 21, 2018 10:02:32 GMT -5
I saw Chris at Yates two weeks ago.
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