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Post by boxout05 on Aug 15, 2021 9:35:29 GMT -5
The interesting twist is the Lakers would need/appreciate a guy like Pickett to play good D, take open shots, and otherwise get out of the way when Russ or Lebron are running offense. Neither of those guys wants a ball dominant, inefficient guard who can’t stop his man. Ask Dennis Schroeder what that team wants. Pistons, on the other hand, may be more patient letting Mac run a 2nd team and with the hope he develops into microwave offense bench guy.
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Post by concord on Aug 15, 2021 10:15:10 GMT -5
I had hoped that Jamorko would stay on the Hilltop for another year but man, he is obviously ready for pro ball. This run has been awesome to watch!
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 15, 2021 10:43:34 GMT -5
What are odds he makes roster? Still kinda low, right? Seems like he will def get a d league spot at this point I would think I mean, I’ll tear up if he puts all his potential together and makes it in the nba, dreaming of what would have been at gtown…but hope he does well in all seriousness The clips don’t even surprise me, it’s just more consistent rhan anything he could do at schoolSo you are saying there was never a two game stretch he had like this in a Hoya uniform ? |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 15, 2021 12:14:13 GMT -5
And the one block was on McClung, sending his garbage into the first row I chuckled. I'm not proud of it. But, I chuckled. Be proud. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 15, 2021 12:18:39 GMT -5
Really happy for Jamarko. He seems ready to shoot everything he touched the ball and his shot mechanics look great. Not nearly the rainbow he about back in the day at Georgetown. At the end of the game…nice o see him give Mac a nice big embrace. Those two went into some wars together. Like that they still have a connection. It was nice to see that. Meh. ::bleep:: that other guy. I will never forget how before last season started he did an interview in which he refused to say the name "Georgetown" and basically referred to the Hoyas as something along the lines as that other program or that other school. This was despite Ewing giving the go-ahead to the NCAA to allow McClung to play immediately at Texas Tech. I have no sympathy or remaining fondness for Mac. JP: 32 mins, 5-10, 3-7 from 3, 8 boards, 3 fouls. Almost one sweet drop pass assist in the lane but Bey fumbled the catch. A couple nice blocks too. He looks like he belongs. McClung: 13 mins, 1-5, 1-3 from 3, 1board, 4 assists. Looked overmatched. www.espn.com/nba-summer/boxscore/_/gameId/401352184Pickett looks better than just belonging. Agree completely on the second part. Not a lot of having your friend bouncing the ball off of the floor or off of the backboard for a dunk in actual games with adults with no one else in the gym. Oh, well. Isn't he tired of that by now? Everyone understand he is a truly elite athlete but he seems unable to do this show and pony stuff in ACTUAL games unless they are high school contests. And he most definitely can't do any of this when there are actual defenders around him in the paint. He needs more time and distance from opposing players to get safe lift for his jumps off of two feet. Its why he has yet to really posterize anyone, not even in high school. He needs to stop reliving his highschool highlight glory days and stay in the gym non-stop until his jumper is reliable. His shot should be much better by this point. |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 15, 2021 12:31:30 GMT -5
If Cade's calf continues to be problematic, it could be great news for Jamorko. How? The interesting twist is the Lakers would need/appreciate a guy like Pickett to play good D, take open shots, and otherwise get out of the way when Russ or Lebron are running offense. Neither of those guys wants a ball dominant, inefficient guard who can’t stop his man. Ask Dennis Schroeder what that team wants. Pistons, on the other hand, may be more patient letting Mac run a 2nd team and with the hope he develops into microwave offense bench guy. I was thinking the same thing this morning. If they were in such a position the Lakers would be smart to gamble on a young, lengthy and athletic guy like Pickett who doesn't need the ball and can stretch the floor, hitting open jumpers all without costing them much of anything in terms of salary. Even if Pickett doesn't make a squad this season he, as Dan McQ put it, looks like he belongs on the court, even in this limited sampling. But I don't get your gassing of McClung. Based upon the stats he has yet to prove he is a good fit for any team, even if coming off the bench. |
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 15, 2021 13:37:20 GMT -5
If Cade's calf continues to be problematic, it could be great news for Jamorko. How? The interesting twist is the Lakers would need/appreciate a guy like Pickett to play good D, take open shots, and otherwise get out of the way when Russ or Lebron are running offense. Neither of those guys wants a ball dominant, inefficient guard who can’t stop his man. Ask Dennis Schroeder what that team wants. Pistons, on the other hand, may be more patient letting Mac run a 2nd team and with the hope he develops into microwave offense bench guy. I was thinking the same thing this morning. If they were in such a position the Lakers would be smart to gamble on a young, lengthy and athletic guy like Pickett who doesn't need the ball and can stretch the floor, hitting open jumpers all without costing them much of anything in terms of salary. Even if Pickett doesn't make a squad this season he, as Dan McQ put it, looks like he belongs on the court, even in this limited sampling. But I don't get your gassing of McClung. Based upon the stats he has yet to prove he is a good fit for any team, even if coming off the bench. Still a fan of Mac, nice guy, hard worker, driven. Doesn't get in trouble. But taking off the Mac colored glasses and looking at it objectively, he has alot of things he still needs to work on. He should have stayed at Texas Tech, where with Beard, gone he would have had the keys to the car and could've become an NCAA legend. Instead I think his growth will be stunted (like leaving Yoda before your training is completed) as on top of the things he is working on it now has to be done against NBA level athleticism, length, size and skill. A big part of the issue is his lack of size/length at the NBA level, so in order to overcome that he needs to be an elite 3pt shooter, an ultra smart defender and also have a point guard mentality. As good as his vertical is, his lateral quickness is below average at the NBA level IMO so saying he has elite NBA athletic ability is actually not correct. **** Picket's biggest value is his versatility in being able to defend shooting guards/small forwards or power forwards/and some centers. This allows for him to be interchangeable, and especially on a Detroit team with point guards/combo guard 6-7 Cade Cunningahm and 6-5 Killian Hayes makes for a tantalizing style of play. And alot of the credit has to go to coach for turning him into a rebounding machine who nightly would shut down the opponent's best (wing or power forward) in Big East play. |
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Post by tashoya on Aug 15, 2021 17:05:49 GMT -5
If Cade's calf continues to be problematic, it could be great news for Jamorko. How? The interesting twist is the Lakers would need/appreciate a guy like Pickett to play good D, take open shots, and otherwise get out of the way when Russ or Lebron are running offense. Neither of those guys wants a ball dominant, inefficient guard who can’t stop his man. Ask Dennis Schroeder what that team wants. Pistons, on the other hand, may be more patient letting Mac run a 2nd team and with the hope he develops into microwave offense bench guy. I was thinking the same thing this morning. If they were in such a position the Lakers would be smart to gamble on a young, lengthy and athletic guy like Pickett who doesn't need the ball and can stretch the floor, hitting open jumpers all without costing them much of anything in terms of salary. Even if Pickett doesn't make a squad this season he, as Dan McQ put it, looks like he belongs on the court, even in this limited sampling. But I don't get your gassing of McClung. Based upon the stats he has yet to prove he is a good fit for any team, even if coming off the bench. More touches for Jamorko. In the games I've watched, it seems like the main goal for the team is to get the ball to Cade. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2021 18:50:09 GMT -5
What are odds he makes roster? Still kinda low, right? Seems like he will def get a d league spot at this point I would think I mean, I’ll tear up if he puts all his potential together and makes it in the nba, dreaming of what would have been at gtown…but hope he does well in all seriousness The clips don’t even surprise me, it’s just more consistent rhan anything he could do at school I don't know what his odds are but if he can defend, get on the glass, and knock down open threes consistently he could land on a team. Maybe not for the Pistons, and maybe not right away, but he could land on a roster at some point. Lucky for him those are the best parts of his game. He's also a great character kid so that helps. A lot of the flaws in his game that he was fairly criticized for here are not things he is going to be asked to do in the pros. |
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Post by hoyas212 on Aug 15, 2021 19:05:21 GMT -5
Not really surprising that Jamorko has had a good summer league and Mac has not. Looking at a couple of other former Big East players, Mikal Bridges and Myles Powell are better players than Jamorko and Mac respectively, but those are similar comparisons IMO. The versatile defender who can keep defenses honest but doesn’t require the ball has found a role in the league, while the ball dominant defensive liability who was a more productive college player has not.
At the backend of rosters, teams are looking for guys with specific skill sets to fulfill specific roles. Those roles are generally things like 3 point shooting, defense, rebounding, unselfish point guard, etc. No team is looking for an inefficient ball dominant scorer who is a defensive liability for the end of the bench or rotation. Jamorko has Prototypical NBA measurables, is pretty close to a NBA level defender, and has shot the 3 well enough in summer league to get himself noticed. Mac had nice combine workout stats, but plenty of those workout warriors are never heard from again. He hasn’t shown a NBA level skill, going to Texas Tech doesn’t appear to have accomplished much for him beyond missing out on a prestigious degree and winning a conference championship at Madison Square Garden.
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 15, 2021 20:45:42 GMT -5
If Cade's calf continues to be problematic, it could be great news for Jamorko. How? The interesting twist is the Lakers would need/appreciate a guy like Pickett to play good D, take open shots, and otherwise get out of the way when Russ or Lebron are running offense. Neither of those guys wants a ball dominant, inefficient guard who can’t stop his man. Ask Dennis Schroeder what that team wants. Pistons, on the other hand, may be more patient letting Mac run a 2nd team and with the hope he develops into microwave offense bench guy. I was thinking the same thing this morning. If they were in such a position the Lakers would be smart to gamble on a young, lengthy and athletic guy like Pickett who doesn't need the ball and can stretch the floor, hitting open jumpers all without costing them much of anything in terms of salary. Even if Pickett doesn't make a squad this season he, as Dan McQ put it, looks like he belongs on the court, even in this limited sampling. But I don't get your gassing of McClung. Based upon the stats he has yet to prove he is a good fit for any team, even if coming off the bench. Don’t get me wrong MCI…I root like heck for Mac to miss every shot he takes. |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Aug 15, 2021 20:45:44 GMT -5
You could make a strong argument that we would not have won the BE Tournament with Mac.
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 15, 2021 22:05:51 GMT -5
You could make a strong argument that we would not have won the BE Tournament with Mac. Either Blair or the BET MOP would have had to sit. Absolutely agree. |
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Post by tashoya on Aug 15, 2021 22:50:37 GMT -5
How? I was thinking the same thing this morning. If they were in such a position the Lakers would be smart to gamble on a young, lengthy and athletic guy like Pickett who doesn't need the ball and can stretch the floor, hitting open jumpers all without costing them much of anything in terms of salary. Even if Pickett doesn't make a squad this season he, as Dan McQ put it, looks like he belongs on the court, even in this limited sampling. But I don't get your gassing of McClung. Based upon the stats he has yet to prove he is a good fit for any team, even if coming off the bench. Still a fan of Mac, nice guy, hard worker, driven. Doesn't get in trouble. But taking off the Mac colored glasses and looking at it objectively, he has alot of things he still needs to work on. He should have stayed at Texas Tech, where with Beard, gone he would have had the keys to the car and could've become an NCAA legend. Instead I think his growth will be stunted (like leaving Yoda before your training is completed) as on top of the things he is working on it now has to be done against NBA level athleticism, length, size and skill. A big part of the issue is his lack of size/length at the NBA level, so in order to overcome that he needs to be an elite 3pt shooter, an ultra smart defender and also have a point guard mentality. As good as his vertical is, his lateral quickness is below average at the NBA level IMO so saying he has elite NBA athletic ability is actually not correct. **** Picket's biggest value is his versatility in being able to defend shooting guards/small forwards or power forwards/and some centers. This allows for him to be interchangeable, and especially on a Detroit team with point guards/combo guard 6-7 Cade Cunningahm and 6-5 Killian Hayes makes for a tantalizing style of play. And alot of the credit has to go to coach for turning him into a rebounding machine who nightly would shut down the opponent's best (wing or power forward) in Big East play. NCAA legend? Agree to disagree. He's a good, not great, college player. He's a below average defender. He's a below average shooter. He's an average finisher. His mid-range pull-up is his best move. And, all of those are at the college level, not a level above. He looks great dunking all alone in a gym. That's not going to cut it moving forward. |
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Post by tashoya on Aug 15, 2021 22:52:21 GMT -5
How? I was thinking the same thing this morning. If they were in such a position the Lakers would be smart to gamble on a young, lengthy and athletic guy like Pickett who doesn't need the ball and can stretch the floor, hitting open jumpers all without costing them much of anything in terms of salary. Even if Pickett doesn't make a squad this season he, as Dan McQ put it, looks like he belongs on the court, even in this limited sampling. But I don't get your gassing of McClung. Based upon the stats he has yet to prove he is a good fit for any team, even if coming off the bench. Don’t get me wrong MCI…I root like heck for Mac to miss every shot he takes. He's accommodating you admirably so far. That is, when he gets minutes. |
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Post by dchoya72 on Aug 16, 2021 5:07:55 GMT -5
How did this turn into a thread about McClung?
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Post by RockawayHoya on Aug 16, 2021 9:31:24 GMT -5
Pickett was an above average shooter and solid defender in college with enough size/athleticism/defensive versatility to hold his own in the pros. But his biggest weakness was attacking the rim off the bounce and finishing with any kind of regularity in the paint. However, if his role at the next level doesn't require him to do that like it did at Georgetown, that will probably work to his advantage as he can focus on being a 3-and-D guy.
Improving that shooting with some additional range and consistency may give him a chance. But the Pistons really have a roster crunch at the moment. Looks like 16 guys for 15 spots (qualifying offer to Hamidou Diallo included), and one of their two 2-ways is already spoken for. So for him to make the Pistons' NBA roster, he'd have to beat out Luka Garza, Balsa Koprivica (both 2nd round picks) plus play well enough to convince the Pistons to release two other guys currently signed. Doesn't seem likely.
Could see him getting an Exhibit-10 deal with Detroit to go to the G-League this season, but hopefully he keeps it up so that other teams start taking notice and become options.
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Post by EasyEd on Aug 16, 2021 9:43:25 GMT -5
Once a guy puts on a Hoya uniform, I am his fan; whether or not he leaves for another destination. I want each of them to succeed. These kids are making decisions their maturity level has not prepared them for. I want to see Pickett succeed. I want to see Yurt7 succeed. I want to see Mac succeed. I want to see Paul White, Domingo, Akinjo, Chudie, Kaleb, Leblanc, etc. succeed. I can't understand the need to trash any of them. As a twenty year old, would any of you have been capable of making perfect decisions?
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 16, 2021 9:56:51 GMT -5
Once a guy puts on a Hoya uniform, I am his fan; whether or not he leaves for another destination. I want each of them to succeed. These kids are making decisions their maturity level has not prepared them for. I want to see Pickett succeed. I want to see Yurt7 succeed. I want to see Mac succeed. I want to see Paul White, Domingo, Akinjo, Chudie, Kaleb, Leblanc, etc. succeed. I can't understand the need to trash any of them. As a twenty year old, would any of you have been capable of making perfect decisions? The other's I can kind of understand there situation and why they left but I don't know how I feel about Q leaving. That one seemed wrong. |
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Post by hoyainla on Aug 16, 2021 10:04:21 GMT -5
Pickett was an above average shooter and solid defender in college with enough size/athleticism/defensive versatility to hold his own in the pros. But his biggest weakness was attacking the rim off the bounce and finishing with any kind of regularity in the paint. However, if his role at the next level doesn't require him to do that like it did at Georgetown, that will probably work to his advantage as he can focus on being a 3-and-D guy. Improving that shooting with some additional range and consistency may give him a chance. But the Pistons really have a roster crunch at the moment. Looks like 16 guys for 15 spots (qualifying offer to Hamidou Diallo included), and one of their two 2-ways is already spoken for. So for him to make the Pistons' NBA roster, he'd have to beat out Luka Garza, Balsa Koprivica (both 2nd round picks) plus play well enough to convince the Pistons to release two other guys currently signed. Doesn't seem likely. Could see him getting an Exhibit-10 deal with Detroit to go to the G-League this season, but hopefully he keeps it up so that other teams start taking notice and become options. His other problem is he’s older than all the guys he would need to beat out. If he was clearly better he would have a better chance. If he is about the same as a 21 year old he’s going to have a tougher time. The Pistons likely aren’t the best place for him based on the current roster makeup. He’s free to go wherever he wants so hopefully his agent is working the phones. |
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