Jamorko Pickett

[professorhoya]

Oct 4, 2021 21:47:20 GMT -5 rockhoya said:

Oct 4, 2021 21:41:07 GMT -5 hoyafansinceewingera said:

Yeah, those are the prevailing themes.  I don't know how it is okay for them to constantly attack the players, constantly attacking the coaches and particularly Coach Ewing.  I don't know why it is okay for these posters to constantly rail on the guys and it is not okay for us to defend our beloved players and coaches.  It is frustrating sometimes on these boards dealing with this foolishness.  

The people who are in charge of “moderating” the board allow it, its as simple as that. I agree, it is frustrating to see positivity beaten back so often in these parts, but it is what it is. We keep setting the bar lower and lower and this board reinforces those incentives.

All we can do is continue to support our team. These folks aren’t about to learn decency, they only care about being “right” for internet strangers. The peanut gallery is without shame…..little do they know the haters are about to be mad mad in a couple of months 😂🤣

Disagree slightly here, Rock. Dan is okay. Good people. That's all I'm gonna say on the subject.

[rockhoya]

Oct 5, 2021 7:59:05 GMT -5 professorhoya said:

Oct 4, 2021 21:47:20 GMT -5 rockhoya said:

The people who are in charge of “moderating” the board allow it, its as simple as that. I agree, it is frustrating to see positivity beaten back so often in these parts, but it is what it is. We keep setting the bar lower and lower and this board reinforces those incentives.

All we can do is continue to support our team. These folks aren’t about to learn decency, they only care about being “right” for internet strangers. The peanut gallery is without shame…..little do they know the haters are about to be mad mad in a couple of months 😂🤣

Disagree slightly here, Rock. Dan is okay. Good people. That's all I'm gonna say on the subject.

Agreed. But you can be good people and still not be the best fit for your role. Like I said, I don’t expect them to be perfect, but do you have any explanations for why positivity is often beaten back in the face of negativity around here? Why the negative nellies are allowed to run rampant, but when folks try to defend themselves they’re censored? Why different posters are treated differently based on personal prejudice? Why mods keep things personal (no, they’re not neutral if they police based on reputation). Cause it’s something that’s happening, and there is a reason.

[rockhoya]

Oct 5, 2021 7:51:56 GMT -5 bigskyhoya said:

Oct 4, 2021 23:21:45 GMT -5 rockhoya said:

You said it in your second sentence. It’s not on the moderators, yet they attempt to. When policing veers into subjective censoring is where they run into trouble imo.

And we’re gonna have to agree to disagree on this one because just this weekend I got a post deleted for “insulting”, but it wasn’t anything offensive and no more proportional than the energy thrown my way. People don’t like the taste of their own medicine though. The mods engage in a lot of victim blaming in my experience. It’s like when a ref only sees the reaction and Ts up the player who reactors instead of the perpetrator. Except in this instance they have the benefit of reviewing what was said, unlike during a bang-bang play. Of course I don’t expect them to be perfect, but some of their prejudices are clear as day…

And definitely disagree on that Morko part. The ones who claim “revisionist history” while others were hoping against the grain are usually the ones without the vision to see it in the first place. You say everyone has an opinion, and I say there are levels to everything. To pretend that all opinions are equally valid and equally informed, is naive in my opinion (and no, that’s not some personal attack, that’s the word choice that fits best). Some people have more valid opinions than others and that’s just a fact, but in this super PC culture you’re not allowed to point that out. Funny how that works.

It is your opinion, nothing more, that your opinion is more valid than other opinions. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but that doesn't make it a fact. I respect your passion as a fan and prefer it to the constant negativity we get from some posters but, in my opinion, you are deluding yourself if you believe you haven't personally attacked other posters. Can't you just give your opinion (with which I often agree) without the constant reminders that your opinion is more valid than other opinions?

You’re the only one who is thinking that. I’ve said it a million times and I’ll say it again, my opinion is no more valid than anyone else’s…people keep projecting around here it’s so exhausting. How defensive you and other posters get says more about you. I freely admit when I insult posters, because I do it intentionally. I never single anyone put i respond with proportional disrespect. I can separate my emotion from my speech and that obviously doesn’t come across online. I’m a fact based person, and I’ve spent enough years on this board holding back to make others feel comfortable. If I have facts I’m not going to diminish them because someone doesn’t like very valid disagreement (if they’re all opinions, it’s ironic these posters I “attack” pretend as if their opinions are protected and can’t be challenged). Disagreement is a good thing, if forces us to rethink thinks from a different perspective live and approach things differently. If I wasn’t here to learn from my fellow posters why would I be on here?

Again, I don’t suffer from the alleged narcissism folks like you keep projecting. I don’t care about being right, I care to come to understanding. If you have something good to say I’m always all ears, but to expect me to accept “Morko has been a bonafide NBA prospect since day one and Jessie didn’t come in with a similar pedigree” when I know it’s not true. To put it in perspective, I only respond to one incorrect thing out 20-50 type things I see. But folks are over here acting like I can’t have my own opinion when I choose to chime in. It’s exclusive and childish. That’s a fact, not an insult.

And I’d happily take my last deleted post to review. Saying something along the lines of “at least 9797 and hoyaboya could talk basketball”, is not an insult when it’s a fact. If I call someone out for heckling and using personal attack out of the blue, and not discussing basketball at all, I’m not allowed to defend myself. Tell me how that is fair? And if you’re not concerned with fair, how is it unfair for someone to stick up for themselves?

[Filo]

Oct 5, 2021 8:12:39 GMT -5 rockhoya said:

Oct 5, 2021 7:51:56 GMT -5 bigskyhoya said:

It is your opinion, nothing more, that your opinion is more valid than other opinions. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but that doesn't make it a fact. I respect your passion as a fan and prefer it to the constant negativity we get from some posters but, in my opinion, you are deluding yourself if you believe you haven't personally attacked other posters. Can't you just give your opinion (with which I often agree) without the constant reminders that your opinion is more valid than other opinions?

You’re the only one who is thinking that. I’ve said it a million times and I’ll say it again, my opinion is no more valid than anyone else’s…people keep projecting around here it’s so exhausting. How defensive you and other posters get says more about you. I freely admit when I insult posters, because I do it intentionally. I never single anyone put i respond with proportional disrespect. I can separate my emotion from my speech and that obviously doesn’t come across online. I’m a fact based person, and I’ve spent enough years on this board holding back to make others feel comfortable. If I have facts I’m not going to diminish them because someone doesn’t like very valid disagreement (if they’re all opinions, it’s ironic these posters I “attack” pretend as if their opinions are protected and can’t be challenged). Disagreement is a good thing, if forces us to rethink thinks from a different perspective live and approach things differently. If I wasn’t here to learn from my fellow posters why would I be on here?

Again, I don’t suffer from the alleged narcissism folks like you keep projecting. I don’t care about being right, I care to come to understanding. If you have something good to say I’m always all ears, but to expect me to accept “Morko has been a bonafide NBA prospect since day one and Jessie didn’t come in with a similar pedigree” when I know it’s not true. To put it in perspective, I only respond to one incorrect thing out 20-50 type things I see. But folks are over here acting like I can’t have my own opinion when I choose to chime in. It’s exclusive and childish. That’s a fact, not an insult.

And I’d happily take my last deleted post to review. Saying something along the lines of “at least 9797 and hoyaboya could talk basketball”, is not an insult when it’s a fact. If I call someone out for heckling and using personal attack out of the blue, and not discussing basketball at all, I’m not allowed to defend myself. Tell me how that is fair? And if you’re not concerned with fair, how is it unfair for someone to stick up for themselves?

Yeah, this place sucks, Rock. We don't deserve you. You really need to take you talents to a better place.  I really hope you find the appropriate forum to accommodate your true greatness. Now, could we maybe stick to talking about Jamorko on the Jamorko thread?

[bigskyhoya]

My bad. Based on the tenor of your other posts, I assumed you intended to include yourself in the group that you opined has more valid opinions when you said the following: "To pretend that all opinions are equally valid and equally informed, is naive in my opinion (and no, that’s not some personal attack, that’s the word choice that fits best). Some people have more valid opinions than others and that’s just a fact, but in this super PC culture you’re not allowed to point that out."

[Deleted]

Just to break the ice. Let's all move on from Jamorko and let's all concentrate on the current group of guys. I love the NBA but I don't love it more than I love our Hoyas so let's move on and focus on the guys we have on our roster please guys.

[professorhoya]

Oct 5, 2021 9:16:05 GMT -5 hoyafansinceewingera said:

Just to break the ice. Let's all move on from Jamorko and let's all concentrate on the current group of guys. I love the NBA but I don't love it more than I love our Hoyas so let's move on and focus on the guys we have on our roster please guys.

Why? Hoyas aren't even playing yet. The NBA/Pistons/JaMorko will start playing tomorrow.

[HometownHoya]

Oct 5, 2021 9:41:41 GMT -5 professorhoya said:

Oct 5, 2021 9:16:05 GMT -5 hoyafansinceewingera said:

Just to break the ice. Let's all move on from Jamorko and let's all concentrate on the current group of guys. I love the NBA but I don't love it more than I love our Hoyas so let's move on and focus on the guys we have on our roster please guys.

Why? Hoyas aren't even playing yet. The NBA/Pistons/JaMorko will start playing tomorrow.

Hey, some Jamarko news...thanks! Hope he gets some PT and those comments from his coach are very telling. Hope he gets quality minutes tomorrow.

[EtomicB]

Oct 5, 2021 8:12:39 GMT -5 rockhoya said:

Oct 5, 2021 7:51:56 GMT -5 bigskyhoya said:

It is your opinion, nothing more, that your opinion is more valid than other opinions. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but that doesn't make it a fact. I respect your passion as a fan and prefer it to the constant negativity we get from some posters but, in my opinion, you are deluding yourself if you believe you haven't personally attacked other posters. Can't you just give your opinion (with which I often agree) without the constant reminders that your opinion is more valid than other opinions?

You’re the only one who is thinking that. I’ve said it a million times and I’ll say it again, my opinion is no more valid than anyone else’s…people keep projecting around here it’s so exhausting. How defensive you and other posters get says more about you. I freely admit when I insult posters, because I do it intentionally. I never single anyone put i respond with proportional disrespect. I can separate my emotion from my speech and that obviously doesn’t come across online. I’m a fact based person, and I’ve spent enough years on this board holding back to make others feel comfortable. If I have facts I’m not going to diminish them because someone doesn’t like very valid disagreement (if they’re all opinions, it’s ironic these posters I “attack” pretend as if their opinions are protected and can’t be challenged). Disagreement is a good thing, if forces us to rethink thinks from a different perspective live and approach things differently. If I wasn’t here to learn from my fellow posters why would I be on here?

Again, I don’t suffer from the alleged narcissism folks like you keep projecting. I don’t care about being right, I care to come to understanding. If you have something good to say I’m always all ears, but to expect me to accept “Morko has been a bonafide NBA prospect since day one and Jessie didn’t come in with a similar pedigree” when I know it’s not true. To put it in perspective, I only respond to one incorrect thing out 20-50 type things I see. But folks are over here acting like I can’t have my own opinion when I choose to chime in. It’s exclusive and childish. That’s a fact, not an insult.

And I’d happily take my last deleted post to review. Saying something along the lines of “at least 9797 and hoyaboya could talk basketball”, is not an insult when it’s a fact. If I call someone out for heckling and using personal attack out of the blue, and not discussing basketball at all, I’m not allowed to defend myself. Tell me how that is fair? And if you’re not concerned with fair, how is it unfair for someone to stick up for themselves?

Yaboy stated that "Pickett was always the best NBA prospect in the program"

That's far different than saying "Pickett has been a bonafide NBA player since day one"


Hard to argue against his actual statement in my view...

[ksf42001]

Oct 5, 2021 8:12:39 GMT -5 rockhoya said:

Oct 5, 2021 7:51:56 GMT -5 bigskyhoya said:

It is your opinion, nothing more, that your opinion is more valid than other opinions. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but that doesn't make it a fact. I respect your passion as a fan and prefer it to the constant negativity we get from some posters but, in my opinion, you are deluding yourself if you believe you haven't personally attacked other posters. Can't you just give your opinion (with which I often agree) without the constant reminders that your opinion is more valid than other opinions?

You’re the only one who is thinking that.

Guess what? They're not the only person who thinks that. No one cares that you disagree with them on issues, they care HOW you disagree with them. If I take you at your word (and I have no reason not to), you're not intending to insult anyone, but if the end result of your interactions leaves people feeling insulted/disrespected, then it really doesn't matter what you intended. Telling a fellow poster you disagree with that they haven't "watched enough film" or asking them if they "played ball" in response to their opinion is difficult to be viewed as anything other than straight disrespect. I'm happy to discuss basketball with someone who disagrees, but I'm far less interested when the other person includes snide derisive asides in their statement, and then pleads innocence/plays the victim when they get called out on it.

[conshyhoya]

I have been a huge Jamorko fan from day 1 so great to see him get his shot. Bonus that he is on the Pistons since that has been my favorite team outside the AI years in Philly since he is my favorite player and I live right outside Philly.

[bostonfan]

Oct 4, 2021 17:04:08 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

"He was well coached by Coach Ewing. He's NBA ready."

These comments by a current NBA head coach about how well Coach Ewing has prepared his player for success in the league should be a huge help to recruiting. Recruits want to know that the coach/program they commit to is going to work to make them ready to play at the NBA level.

[Deleted]

Oct 5, 2021 9:41:41 GMT -5 professorhoya said:

Oct 5, 2021 9:16:05 GMT -5 hoyafansinceewingera said:

Just to break the ice. Let's all move on from Jamorko and let's all concentrate on the current group of guys. I love the NBA but I don't love it more than I love our Hoyas so let's move on and focus on the guys we have on our roster please guys.

Why? Hoyas aren't even playing yet. The NBA/Pistons/JaMorko will start playing tomorrow.

Right! But, November is right around the corner and it time to get back into the boys on the Hilltop!

[rockhoya]

Oct 5, 2021 12:15:29 GMT -5 ksf42001 said:

Oct 5, 2021 8:12:39 GMT -5 rockhoya said:

You’re the only one who is thinking that.

Guess what? They're not the only person who thinks that. No one cares that you disagree with them on issues, they care HOW you disagree with them. If I take you at your word (and I have no reason not to), you're not intending to insult anyone, but if the end result of your interactions leaves people feeling insulted/disrespected, then it really doesn't matter what you intended. Telling a fellow poster you disagree with that they haven't "watched enough film" or asking them if they "played ball" in response to their opinion is difficult to be viewed as anything other than straight disrespect. I'm happy to discuss basketball with someone who disagrees, but I'm far less interested when the other person includes snide derisive asides in their statement, and then pleads innocence/plays the victim when they get called out on it.

I don’t know how to do this without having the risk of coming off as disrespectful, so I’ll just be straight.

How you feel about your environment and the stimuli you face is a direct reflection of your attitude and experience. I know the limits of my responsibilities to others feelings - like I’ve said I spent over a decade protecting people’s feelings by dimming my light and there’s no reason for it. I’m not saying I’m perfect and can’t make a mistake and come off as disrespectful, but humbly suggest suggest taking a hard look in the mirror if you think asking things like “do you play ball” and “do you watch film” are inherently offensive.

On that note, asking earnestly “do you play ball” is a very legitimate question to ascertain a fellow posters level of experience with the topic. Or would you rather I just unfairly assume like everybody else?

Again, asking if someone “watched enough film”, is also a legitimate question considering most folks don’t actually know how to break down film. There is no shade there because even some folks in the NBA still don’t know how to break down film. Quite frankly, it’s to weed out the trolls and the gas lighters from folks with actual insight.

If you think those two statements are inherently offensive I don’t know what to tell you. They weren’t leading questions, they were to gain perspective on the scope of a conversation. It’s not my fault folks are insecure about the things they missed on film or folks try to make up things about things they have no experience with.

I don’t know how to be more clear than that. Anywho, please leave me alone and add me to your block list because you do nothing but poke and prod and act as if your opinion is so superior you can’t even respond to someone “respectfully”. Projection is at an all time high with covid I guess

[rockhoya]

Oct 5, 2021 8:53:13 GMT -5 Filo said:

Oct 5, 2021 8:12:39 GMT -5 rockhoya said:

You’re the only one who is thinking that. I’ve said it a million times and I’ll say it again, my opinion is no more valid than anyone else’s…people keep projecting around here it’s so exhausting. How defensive you and other posters get says more about you. I freely admit when I insult posters, because I do it intentionally. I never single anyone put i respond with proportional disrespect. I can separate my emotion from my speech and that obviously doesn’t come across online. I’m a fact based person, and I’ve spent enough years on this board holding back to make others feel comfortable. If I have facts I’m not going to diminish them because someone doesn’t like very valid disagreement (if they’re all opinions, it’s ironic these posters I “attack” pretend as if their opinions are protected and can’t be challenged). Disagreement is a good thing, if forces us to rethink thinks from a different perspective live and approach things differently. If I wasn’t here to learn from my fellow posters why would I be on here?

Again, I don’t suffer from the alleged narcissism folks like you keep projecting. I don’t care about being right, I care to come to understanding. If you have something good to say I’m always all ears, but to expect me to accept “Morko has been a bonafide NBA prospect since day one and Jessie didn’t come in with a similar pedigree” when I know it’s not true. To put it in perspective, I only respond to one incorrect thing out 20-50 type things I see. But folks are over here acting like I can’t have my own opinion when I choose to chime in. It’s exclusive and childish. That’s a fact, not an insult.

And I’d happily take my last deleted post to review. Saying something along the lines of “at least 9797 and hoyaboya could talk basketball”, is not an insult when it’s a fact. If I call someone out for heckling and using personal attack out of the blue, and not discussing basketball at all, I’m not allowed to defend myself. Tell me how that is fair? And if you’re not concerned with fair, how is it unfair for someone to stick up for themselves?

Yeah, this place sucks, Rock. We don't deserve you. You really need to take you talents to a better place.  I really hope you find the appropriate forum to accommodate your true greatness. Now, could we maybe stick to talking about Jamorko on the Jamorko thread?

Lol jealous much? Again, the only people claiming greatness are weird folks like you 😂🤣. Such a weird narrative. I know where I’m limited, some of you clearly don’t. And if that’s offensive for calling people out for being so negative all the time so be it. Weirdos like you are constantly saying snide remarks about things you don’t understand, yet I’m the one insulting. It truly is like herding children around here.

[rockhoya]

Oct 5, 2021 9:01:23 GMT -5 bigskyhoya said:

My bad. Based on the tenor of your other posts, I assumed you intended to include yourself in the group that you opined has more valid opinions when you said the following: "To pretend that all opinions are equally valid and equally informed, is naive in my opinion (and no, that’s not some personal attack, that’s the word choice that fits best). Some people have more valid opinions than others and that’s just a fact, but in this super PC culture you’re not allowed to point that out."

….and you assumed wrong.

[rockhoya]

Oct 5, 2021 10:06:14 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Oct 5, 2021 8:12:39 GMT -5 rockhoya said:

You’re the only one who is thinking that. I’ve said it a million times and I’ll say it again, my opinion is no more valid than anyone else’s…people keep projecting around here it’s so exhausting. How defensive you and other posters get says more about you. I freely admit when I insult posters, because I do it intentionally. I never single anyone put i respond with proportional disrespect. I can separate my emotion from my speech and that obviously doesn’t come across online. I’m a fact based person, and I’ve spent enough years on this board holding back to make others feel comfortable. If I have facts I’m not going to diminish them because someone doesn’t like very valid disagreement (if they’re all opinions, it’s ironic these posters I “attack” pretend as if their opinions are protected and can’t be challenged). Disagreement is a good thing, if forces us to rethink thinks from a different perspective live and approach things differently. If I wasn’t here to learn from my fellow posters why would I be on here?

Again, I don’t suffer from the alleged narcissism folks like you keep projecting. I don’t care about being right, I care to come to understanding. If you have something good to say I’m always all ears, but to expect me to accept “Morko has been a bonafide NBA prospect since day one and Jessie didn’t come in with a similar pedigree” when I know it’s not true. To put it in perspective, I only respond to one incorrect thing out 20-50 type things I see. But folks are over here acting like I can’t have my own opinion when I choose to chime in. It’s exclusive and childish. That’s a fact, not an insult.

And I’d happily take my last deleted post to review. Saying something along the lines of “at least 9797 and hoyaboya could talk basketball”, is not an insult when it’s a fact. If I call someone out for heckling and using personal attack out of the blue, and not discussing basketball at all, I’m not allowed to defend myself. Tell me how that is fair? And if you’re not concerned with fair, how is it unfair for someone to stick up for themselves?

Yaboy stated that "Pickett was always the best NBA prospect in the program"

That's far different than saying "Pickett has been a bonafide NBA player since day one"


Hard to argue against his actual statement in my view...

You’re….arguing…semantics? When the point still stands? Without going back to the post, dude listed about 6-8 things that justified his value and only 1-2 of them were accurate. It was a stretch argument, if you’re being honest with yourself you’ll see that. But my point, actually, was about how Morko and Jessie were viewed as prospects when they stepped on campus. Relative to his position group (aka the job he’d have in the league), Jessie had more comparative advantages (game wise) than Morko has at his. I understand how someone can view that as debatable, but only if they’re conveniently forgetting the pedigree Jessie came in with. We don’t need to make up things about Morko and compare him to Jessie and put him down to make an argument for his value, certainly when they were both 4 starts with league potential.

Anywho, I’m good off of this site to be honest. With the success Ewing and Co will have in the coming months I don’t see this board getting any more positive. Being “right” is such a thirst around here. @hoyasinceewingera I sincerely hope you can hold down the fort my man.

[rockhoya]

And last post has to be a basketball one, Otto scoring 19 in 18 minutes last night was great to see. I didn’t get to watch but it seems like he’ll be a good fit on the squad.

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Oct 5, 2021 14:04:07 GMT -5 rockhoya said:

Oct 5, 2021 10:06:14 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Yaboy stated that "Pickett was always the best NBA prospect in the program"

That's far different than saying "Pickett has been a bonafide NBA player since day one"


Hard to argue against his actual statement in my view...

You’re….arguing…semantics? When the point still stands? Without going back to the post, dude listed about 6-8 things that justified his value and only 1-2 of them were accurate. It was a stretch argument, if you’re being honest with yourself you’ll see that. But my point, actually, was about how Morko and Jessie were viewed as prospects when they stepped on campus. Relative to his position group (aka the job he’d have in the league), Jessie had more comparative advantages (game wise) than Morko has at his. I understand how someone can view that as debatable, but only if they’re conveniently forgetting the pedigree Jessie came in with. We don’t need to make up things about Morko and compare him to Jessie and put him down to make an argument for his value, certainly when they were both 4 starts with league potential.

Anywho, I’m good off of this site to be honest. With the success Ewing and Co will have in the coming months I don’t see this board getting any more positive. Being “right” is such a thirst around here. @hoyasinceewingera I sincerely hope you can hold down the fort my man.

Rock, don't go anywhere man.  Maybe, you should take the approach that I have and post less but don't go anywhere.  We need you around here to help add balance.

[tashoya]