rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Oct 1, 2021 18:07:44 GMT -5
Agreed, but nothing you said there was any different for Jessie. He was a 4 star and quite frankly and elite, elite jump shooter at his position. It’s a greater comparative advantage than anything Pickett does, so I’m not sure I see your point. The difference is it took Jessie a little longer to acclimate to the college game, and of course the ones we both already touched on (having half the time developing under this coaching staff). His issues are on the defensive end, but as far as his tangibles and intangibles go he’s an NBA player on the offensive end. Morko didn’t arrive on campus an NBA player, despite the supposed hype train. The only thing NBA about his game was that was out of the ordinary his length. That’s it. Comparisons to KD or blah blah blah whatever we’re just pipe dreams and super lazy projections. Credit Morko for putting in the work to improve, I always thought he’d end up there (particularly after Kenner soph year). Jessie came in with the same pedigree though, he wasn’t blessed with the defensive talent. Not true imo. Jessie has average size and length. He's a below average NBA athlete (vertically and laterally), and can't guard on the perimeter so he isn't a switchable. His shooting is NBA level. The only thing Morko was above average for his position group is length, his athleticism and switch ability aren’t exactly unique. But anywho, I’m not about to quibble with someone who’s initial premise was flawed and who’s argument is a reach. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2021 13:49:32 GMT -5
Not true imo. Jessie has average size and length. He's a below average NBA athlete (vertically and laterally), and can't guard on the perimeter so he isn't a switchable. His shooting is NBA level. The only thing Morko was above average for his position group is length, his athleticism and switch ability aren’t exactly unique. But anywho, I’m not about to quibble with someone who’s initial premise was flawed and who’s argument is a reach. Rock, why do you always feel the need to be condescending and pick fights with anyone who disagrees with you? It's not that serious man lol. We're all just sharing opinions and talking basketball. You're free to conduct yourself however you like but I think you could tone it down a notch. You used to be one of the better posters on here imo but recently you seem more interested in picking online fights than posting quality content. Regarding Jamorko, he fits into what the NBA is looking for in a 3 and D wing. That's why he's always been intriguing to scouts despite not always looking like a pro prospect. He has a clear NBA role and he doesn't have to be above average by NBA standards in any area since average in this case is an NBA player. |
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Post by blueandgray on Oct 2, 2021 18:36:37 GMT -5
If Hollis had a bone in the league….Jamarko could do the same.
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Post by dchoya72 on Oct 4, 2021 2:11:54 GMT -5
If Hollis had a bone in the league….Jamarko could do the same. I'm sure Hollis is being paid to play ball somewhere now. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 16:54:07 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 17:04:08 GMT -5
"He was well coached by Coach Ewing. He's NBA ready."
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Post by professorhoya on Oct 4, 2021 18:11:56 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Oct 4, 2021 19:12:16 GMT -5
"He was well coached by Coach Ewing. He's NBA ready." Some posters here are going to have a tough time with this one. But, sure, they're "fans" of the program. |
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Oct 4, 2021 20:30:09 GMT -5
"He was well coached by Coach Ewing. He's NBA ready." This needs to go out to every Hoya blog and or soap box, our target recruits need to HEAR THIS LOUD AND CLEARLY!!!!!!!! |
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Oct 4, 2021 20:32:34 GMT -5
Who said a big man can't coach? Who?
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Oct 4, 2021 20:34:44 GMT -5
We especially need this out among the masses, we need an SF/PF for the 2022 class.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 20:53:28 GMT -5
"He was well coached by Coach Ewing. He's NBA ready." Some posters here are going to have a tough time with this one. But, sure, they're "fans" of the program. These posters know more about basketball than Ewing does. |
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Post by rockhoya on Oct 4, 2021 21:05:47 GMT -5
Some posters here are going to have a tough time with this one. But, sure, they're "fans" of the program. These posters know more about basketball than Ewing does. Hey, no need to be condescending! You’re not allowed to highlight the shortcomings of posters, that’s so unfair. Let them make up whatever they want! This is board a safe space for delusion. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 21:41:07 GMT -5
These posters know more about basketball than Ewing does. Hey, no need to be condescending! You’re not allowed to highlight the shortcomings of posters, that’s so unfair. Let them make up whatever they want! This is board a safe space for delusion. Yeah, those are the prevailing themes. I don't know how it is okay for them to constantly attack the players, constantly attacking the coaches and particularly Coach Ewing. I don't know why it is okay for these posters to constantly rail on the guys and it is not okay for us to defend our beloved players and coaches. It is frustrating sometimes on these boards dealing with this foolishness. |
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Post by rockhoya on Oct 4, 2021 21:47:20 GMT -5
Hey, no need to be condescending! You’re not allowed to highlight the shortcomings of posters, that’s so unfair. Let them make up whatever they want! This is board a safe space for delusion. Yeah, those are the prevailing themes. I don't know how it is okay for them to constantly attack the players, constantly attacking the coaches and particularly Coach Ewing. I don't know why it is okay for these posters to constantly rail on the guys and it is not okay for us to defend our beloved players and coaches. It is frustrating sometimes on these boards dealing with this foolishness. The people who are in charge of “moderating” the board allow it, its as simple as that. I agree, it is frustrating to see positivity beaten back so often in these parts, but it is what it is. We keep setting the bar lower and lower and this board reinforces those incentives. All we can do is continue to support our team. These folks aren’t about to learn decency, they only care about being “right” for internet strangers. The peanut gallery is without shame…..little do they know the haters are about to be mad mad in a couple of months 😂🤣 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 21:56:40 GMT -5
Yeah, those are the prevailing themes. I don't know how it is okay for them to constantly attack the players, constantly attacking the coaches and particularly Coach Ewing. I don't know why it is okay for these posters to constantly rail on the guys and it is not okay for us to defend our beloved players and coaches. It is frustrating sometimes on these boards dealing with this foolishness. The people who are in charge of “moderating” the board allow it, its simple as that. I agree, it is frustrating to see positivons beaten back so often in these parts, but it is what it is. We keep setting the bar lower and lower and this board reinforces those incentives. All we can do is continue to support our team. These folks aren’t about to learn decency, they only care about being “right” for internet strangers. The peanut gallery is without shame… So true! Hey did you notice that some of the "usual suspects" completely stop posting after we had our lil' success during the Big East tournament? Did you notice, we haven't heard a whisper from them when Yurt and Jamorko were getting all the praises during the Summer Leagues? Did you notice when Ewing got his first 5 star guy all the Ewing haters or the "fans" of the program just magically disappeared from the boards? We have heard not a peep or a whimper from these guys since these events. Yet they are "fans". Are fans of a program supposed to constantly criticize the program, the coaches and the players when they are not doing what these so call fans want or if the team is underperforming and yet when the program starts moving in the right direction, don't praise their program, coaches and the players? Is that how this is supposed to work? |
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Post by tashoya on Oct 4, 2021 22:14:32 GMT -5
Yeah, those are the prevailing themes. I don't know how it is okay for them to constantly attack the players, constantly attacking the coaches and particularly Coach Ewing. I don't know why it is okay for these posters to constantly rail on the guys and it is not okay for us to defend our beloved players and coaches. It is frustrating sometimes on these boards dealing with this foolishness. The people who are in charge of “moderating” the board allow it, its as simple as that. I agree, it is frustrating to see positivity beaten back so often in these parts, but it is what it is. We keep setting the bar lower and lower and this board reinforces those incentives. All we can do is continue to support our team. These folks aren’t about to learn decency, they only care about being “right” for internet strangers. The peanut gallery is without shame…..little do they know the haters are about to be mad mad in a couple of months 😂🤣 Disagree. I don't think it's on the moderators to censor opinions. If that was what they chose to do, there wouldn't be much discussion at all. It'd just be an echo chamber. It's on the board members to offer contradictory opinions. As long as you're not personally attacking players or staff, IMO, it's fair game to discuss your opinions of them. We, of course, will all differ slightly on where the lines are and that's where the mods are most needed. Personal attacks on players, staff and other posters are what the mods tend to shut down. The rest is, within reason, fair game. To talk about Morko as if he's been a lock to get to the league is silly. I've been one of his biggest fans at home and also vocal about my support about him here. But, to pretend as though his play didn't warrant criticism is revisionist at best. That said, for those that didn't recognize the strides that he made because he wasn't, necessarily, dominant on the offensive end and, because of that, were critical of him says far more about them than it does about Morko. After all, opinions are like a$$holes. Everyone has one. |
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Post by rockhoya on Oct 4, 2021 23:21:45 GMT -5
The people who are in charge of “moderating” the board allow it, its as simple as that. I agree, it is frustrating to see positivity beaten back so often in these parts, but it is what it is. We keep setting the bar lower and lower and this board reinforces those incentives. All we can do is continue to support our team. These folks aren’t about to learn decency, they only care about being “right” for internet strangers. The peanut gallery is without shame…..little do they know the haters are about to be mad mad in a couple of months 😂🤣 Disagree. I don't think it's on the moderators to censor opinions. If that was what they chose to do, there wouldn't be much discussion at all. It'd just be an echo chamber. It's on the board members to offer contradictory opinions. As long as you're not personally attacking players or staff, IMO, it's fair game to discuss your opinions of them. We, of course, will all differ slightly on where the lines are and that's where the mods are most needed. Personal attacks on players, staff and other posters are what the mods tend to shut down. The rest is, within reason, fair game. To talk about Morko as if he's been a lock to get to the league is silly. I've been one of his biggest fans at home and also vocal about my support about him here. But, to pretend as though his play didn't warrant criticism is revisionist at best. That said, for those that didn't recognize the strides that he made because he wasn't, necessarily, dominant on the offensive end and, because of that, were critical of him says far more about them than it does about Morko. After all, opinions are like a$$holes. Everyone has one. You said it in your second sentence. It’s not on the moderators, yet they attempt to. When policing veers into subjective censoring is where they run into trouble imo. And we’re gonna have to agree to disagree on this one because just this weekend I got a post deleted for “insulting”, but it wasn’t anything offensive and no more proportional than the energy thrown my way. People don’t like the taste of their own medicine though. The mods engage in a lot of victim blaming in my experience. It’s like when a ref only sees the reaction and Ts up the player who reactors instead of the perpetrator. Except in this instance they have the benefit of reviewing what was said, unlike during a bang-bang play. Of course I don’t expect them to be perfect, but some of their prejudices are clear as day… And definitely disagree on that Morko part. The ones who claim “revisionist history” while others were hoping against the grain are usually the ones without the vision to see it in the first place. You say everyone has an opinion, and I say there are levels to everything. To pretend that all opinions are equally valid and equally informed, is naive in my opinion (and no, that’s not some personal attack, that’s the word choice that fits best). Some people have more valid opinions than others and that’s just a fact, but in this super PC culture you’re not allowed to point that out. Funny how that works. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2021 0:03:42 GMT -5
The people who are in charge of “moderating” the board allow it, its as simple as that. I agree, it is frustrating to see positivity beaten back so often in these parts, but it is what it is. We keep setting the bar lower and lower and this board reinforces those incentives. All we can do is continue to support our team. These folks aren’t about to learn decency, they only care about being “right” for internet strangers. The peanut gallery is without shame…..little do they know the haters are about to be mad mad in a couple of months 😂🤣 Disagree. I don't think it's on the moderators to censor opinions. If that was what they chose to do, there wouldn't be much discussion at all. It'd just be an echo chamber. It's on the board members to offer contradictory opinions. As long as you're not personally attacking players or staff, IMO, it's fair game to discuss your opinions of them. We, of course, will all differ slightly on where the lines are and that's where the mods are most needed. Personal attacks on players, staff and other posters are what the mods tend to shut down. The rest is, within reason, fair game. To talk about Morko as if he's been a lock to get to the league is silly. I've been one of his biggest fans at home and also vocal about my support about him here. But, to pretend as though his play didn't warrant criticism is revisionist at best. That said, for those that didn't recognize the strides that he made because he wasn't, necessarily, dominant on the offensive end and, because of that, were critical of him says far more about them than it does about Morko. After all, opinions are like a$$holes. Everyone has one. There are two problems that I have with what you said about the criticism part. One is that it is obvious that Jamorko can play. The other is that apparently you guys that criticize Jamorko obviously can't spot talent when you see it. The fact that he can play made it easy for me to predict that he would go into the NBA. I mean really, it wasn't hard to make that prediction just like it wasn't hard to predict that Yurt would be in the NBA. The eye test made it easy to see Morko's talent even when Jamorko was struggling. But, it wasn't just Morko struggling, the whole team struggled during that time (earlier in the season). It all clicked when Coach did one thing and that was to simply put Bile in the starting lineup which I suggested on these boards that they do. When that happened, the whole thing changed for Morko and the team. Bile took so much pressure off Morko, by being in the lineup, and the other guys and it allowed Morko to shine because now the opponents had to worry about Bile both on offense and defense. You guys talk about Pickett shutting down Mahmoud but Bile shut down the Myles Cales guy in the BET and to me that was the whole key to Georgetown winning the tournament. Now I want you to do me a big favor go back and watch the BET and watch Morko play in that tournament. He was just remarkable in that tournament! I mean he was dynamite. Now you tell me if this wasn't a guy who was destined to be in the NBA. Yet, this is the same guy that "fans" on here criticizing him as if he were a bum. |
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Post by bigskyhoya on Oct 5, 2021 7:51:56 GMT -5
Disagree. I don't think it's on the moderators to censor opinions. If that was what they chose to do, there wouldn't be much discussion at all. It'd just be an echo chamber. It's on the board members to offer contradictory opinions. As long as you're not personally attacking players or staff, IMO, it's fair game to discuss your opinions of them. We, of course, will all differ slightly on where the lines are and that's where the mods are most needed. Personal attacks on players, staff and other posters are what the mods tend to shut down. The rest is, within reason, fair game. To talk about Morko as if he's been a lock to get to the league is silly. I've been one of his biggest fans at home and also vocal about my support about him here. But, to pretend as though his play didn't warrant criticism is revisionist at best. That said, for those that didn't recognize the strides that he made because he wasn't, necessarily, dominant on the offensive end and, because of that, were critical of him says far more about them than it does about Morko. After all, opinions are like a$$holes. Everyone has one. You said it in your second sentence. It’s not on the moderators, yet they attempt to. When policing veers into subjective censoring is where they run into trouble imo. And we’re gonna have to agree to disagree on this one because just this weekend I got a post deleted for “insulting”, but it wasn’t anything offensive and no more proportional than the energy thrown my way. People don’t like the taste of their own medicine though. The mods engage in a lot of victim blaming in my experience. It’s like when a ref only sees the reaction and Ts up the player who reactors instead of the perpetrator. Except in this instance they have the benefit of reviewing what was said, unlike during a bang-bang play. Of course I don’t expect them to be perfect, but some of their prejudices are clear as day… And definitely disagree on that Morko part. The ones who claim “revisionist history” while others were hoping against the grain are usually the ones without the vision to see it in the first place. You say everyone has an opinion, and I say there are levels to everything. To pretend that all opinions are equally valid and equally informed, is naive in my opinion (and no, that’s not some personal attack, that’s the word choice that fits best). Some people have more valid opinions than others and that’s just a fact, but in this super PC culture you’re not allowed to point that out. Funny how that works. It is your opinion, nothing more, that your opinion is more valid than other opinions. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but that doesn't make it a fact. I respect your passion as a fan and prefer it to the constant negativity we get from some posters but, in my opinion, you are deluding yourself if you believe you haven't personally attacked other posters. Can't you just give your opinion (with which I often agree) without the constant reminders that your opinion is more valid than other opinions? |
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