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Post by This Just In on Nov 15, 2017 22:33:42 GMT -5
Let's face it we would barely escape with the win or get upset against MSM the past couple years. When was the last time we were up by 30 with 6 minutes left so that we can insert and develop the bench. That was one of the problems. Every game was too close to but in the backups and freshman. So they never developed through the season. Do you want actual answers? MSM is ranked 285th by Pomeroy, and given their experience, that's generous. Just last year, we beat USC Upstate (244) by 45 and were up by 31 at halftime. So yeah, like opening night last year. We also beat Coppin State (343) by 52 and were up by 38 at halftime and 52 by 10 minutes left.We played a closer game against Howard -- more like our opening this year. We're playing a lot of crap teams right now. People bitched about the Elon game or the Arkansas State loss last year and while we shouldn't be losing to those teams, they were good enough to be the bottom end of the Big East. The Mount is nowhere near that. And it's a fallacy that we didn't blow out teams under JTIII, didn't have garbage time, etc. So much of this thread is bashing JTIII -- who, frankly, doesn't deserve it -- but if you are going to do it, at least don't make up. This took me about 12 seconds of googling to figure out you were wrong. 1. When did this board stop blocking out profanity? 2. I would not take the JTIII bashing so personally. Any coach in any profession who does not leave a program on their terms is going to get bashed. 2 good examples are Bobby Bowden with Florida State (2 National Championships) & Jon Gruden with Tampa (1 Super Bowl Victory) and both got pushed out and bashed by the fan base. Also Tubby Smith with Kentucky (1 National Championship) and the fan base was sticking for sale signs on his yard. |
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Post by x-centercourt400s on Nov 15, 2017 22:35:42 GMT -5
Let's face it we would barely escape with the win or get upset against MSM the past couple years. When was the last time we were up by 30 with 6 minutes left so that we can insert and develop the bench. That was one of the problems. Every game was too close to but in the backups and freshman. So they never developed through the season. Do you want actual answers? MSM is ranked 285th by Pomeroy, and given their experience, that's generous. Just last year, we beat USC Upstate (244) by 45 and were up by 31 at halftime. So yeah, like opening night last year. We also beat Coppin State (343) by 52 and were up by 38 at halftime and 52 by 10 minutes left.We played a closer game against Howard -- more like our opening this year. We're playing a lot of crap teams right now. People bitched about the Elon game or the Arkansas State loss last year and while we shouldn't be losing to those teams, they were good enough to be the bottom end of the Big East. The Mount is nowhere near that. And it's a fallacy that we didn't blow out teams under JTIII, didn't have garbage time, etc. So much of this thread is bashing JTIII -- who, frankly, doesn't deserve it -- but if you are going to do it, at least don't make up. This took me about 12 seconds of googling to figure out you were wrong. Actual answers? Haha... what kind of time warp are you living in SF? Actual answers are so pre-2016. Boring... |
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Post by tashoya on Nov 15, 2017 22:42:23 GMT -5
I hope it works for you. Please let us know how it goes as I'm sure more and more of us are punting on cable and satellite at this point and I know of at least 3 posters here that are having the FS2 issue. Sling was great. I recommend it. First game I was able to watch. I thought Johnson played well which was a relief. For this team to make some noise in the conference, he is going to have to play a big role. Most impressed with Blair. He looks like the scouting reports on him way undervalued his talent. I did not expect him to be playing at the level he is this early. He could be a real steal. This is a fun team to watch :-) Sweet! I'm glad it worked out for you and thanks very much for the info. I'm sure there are others here that are similarly appreciative. I love that Blair seems to have no conscience, but in a good way. He's not forcing too many bad shots but doesn't seem deterred by a couple of misses either. Obviously, that could be a hindrance against better opponents if he's not able to minimize bad looks but he looks promising. I'm also really hopeful about Pickett. He seems to see the floor well, handles reasonably well and has plenty of bounce. He also looks really comfortable taking those corner threes. I'm excited to see how Walker progresses and how Jagan looks against stronger competition. Another very good night for Govan. He's clearly worked his tail off on conditioning. Huge tip of the cap to him for that. He needs more strength in his lower body and the hands still look shaky but he's playing with more confidence and his teammates are finding him in good spots. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 15, 2017 22:46:18 GMT -5
Do you want actual answers? MSM is ranked 285th by Pomeroy, and given their experience, that's generous. Just last year, we beat USC Upstate (244) by 45 and were up by 31 at halftime. So yeah, like opening night last year. We also beat Coppin State (343) by 52 and were up by 38 at halftime and 52 by 10 minutes left.We played a closer game against Howard -- more like our opening this year. We're playing a lot of crap teams right now. People bitched about the Elon game or the Arkansas State loss last year and while we shouldn't be losing to those teams, they were good enough to be the bottom end of the Big East. The Mount is nowhere near that. And it's a fallacy that we didn't blow out teams under JTIII, didn't have garbage time, etc. So much of this thread is bashing JTIII -- who, frankly, doesn't deserve it -- but if you are going to do it, at least don't make up. This took me about 12 seconds of googling to figure out you were wrong. 1. When did this board stop blocking out profanity? 2. I would not take the JTIII bashing so personally. Any coach in any profession who does not leave a program on their terms is going to get bashed. 2 good examples are Bobby Bowden with Florida State (2 National Championships) & Jon Gruden with Tampa (1 Super Bowl Victory) and both got pushed out and bashed by the fan base. Also Tubby Smith with Kentucky (1 National Championship) and the fan base was sticking for sale signs on his yard. 1) I have no idea. 2) I'm not taking it personally. It bothers me for a few reasons: one, it's tacky and pathetic. It was time to move on, but the man saved a dying program and took us to a Final Four. Stop being petty and childish. There's lots to be happy about; framing it in terms of how bad someone else is is pretty awful when you think about it. Two, I think it's ridiculous to prop up the present in the context of a made up past. But weirdly, the biggest reason it bothers me so much is the complete and utter lack of critical thinking that the people who posted exhibited. It's a perfect example of "I believe something so I will make up fake facts to back it up" even though a thirty second search on google would point out they are wrong. I'm sensitive to this since this kind of "make up to support my preconceived notions" kind of thinking is ever present in pretty much everything in society, and it's basically made it virtually impossible to actual improve on anything, even if there's factual proof on a solution. This lack of critical thinking is awful and it bothers the hell out of me. |
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Post by tashoya on Nov 15, 2017 22:46:23 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks LJ Peak would have been a monster on this team? I wonder what he thinks when he sees them play. This uptempo style would have been perfect for him. I agree but it's probably better for both him and the younger guys that he didn't stay. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 15, 2017 22:47:53 GMT -5
Jessie is so improved it's incredible That's great to hear. Is there any exaggeration here? Prior to this year in his career Govan has scored 20+ 4 times, Grabbed 10+ rebounds 4 times, recorded a double double just twice, and scored 20+ and 10+ just once He's now done it in back to back games. |
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Post by sleepy on Nov 15, 2017 22:48:05 GMT -5
Let's face it we would barely escape with the win or get upset against MSM the past couple years. When was the last time we were up by 30 with 6 minutes left so that we can insert and develop the bench. That was one of the problems. Every game was too close to but in the backups and freshman. So they never developed through the season. Do you want actual answers? MSM is ranked 285th by Pomeroy, and given their experience, that's generous. Just last year, we beat USC Upstate (244) by 45 and were up by 31 at halftime. So yeah, like opening night last year. We also beat Coppin State (343) by 52 and were up by 38 at halftime and 52 by 10 minutes left.We played a closer game against Howard -- more like our opening this year. We're playing a lot of crap teams right now. People bitched about the Elon game or the Arkansas State loss last year and while we shouldn't be losing to those teams, they were good enough to be the bottom end of the Big East. The Mount is nowhere near that. And it's a fallacy that we didn't blow out teams under JTIII, didn't have garbage time, etc. So much of this thread is bashing JTIII -- who, frankly, doesn't deserve it -- but if you are going to do it, at least don't make up. This took me about 12 seconds of googling to figure out you were wrong. Well if III had made and easier schedule he would have had a much happier and more forgiving fanbase and likely still have a job. Perception matters more than reality and Ewing clearly realized that early on. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 15, 2017 22:53:08 GMT -5
Do you want actual answers? MSM is ranked 285th by Pomeroy, and given their experience, that's generous. Just last year, we beat USC Upstate (244) by 45 and were up by 31 at halftime. So yeah, like opening night last year. We also beat Coppin State (343) by 52 and were up by 38 at halftime and 52 by 10 minutes left.We played a closer game against Howard -- more like our opening this year. We're playing a lot of crap teams right now. People bitched about the Elon game or the Arkansas State loss last year and while we shouldn't be losing to those teams, they were good enough to be the bottom end of the Big East. The Mount is nowhere near that. And it's a fallacy that we didn't blow out teams under JTIII, didn't have garbage time, etc. So much of this thread is bashing JTIII -- who, frankly, doesn't deserve it -- but if you are going to do it, at least don't make up. This took me about 12 seconds of googling to figure out you were wrong. Well if III had made and easier schedule he would have had a much happier and more forgiving fanbase and likely still have a job. Perception matters more than reality and Ewing clearly realized that early on. Right up until we miss a tourney because of a weak schedule.  I don't mind the cupcake schedule this year, but the BE schedule could be a pretty nasty wake-up call for some fans ... and the team. |
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Post by blueandgray on Nov 15, 2017 22:53:21 GMT -5
Wow....just wow!!! Love coach Ewing’s style of play. Whoever said that MSM is the type of team that would have given us fits in the past is right on. If guys like Blair, Mosley and Picket can stay aggressive all year....we have a chance at making the tourney.
Mulmore looked out of sync the entire night. Not sure why Derrickson didn’t get more minutes.
More than once I found myself wondering how last years team would have done with Ewing at the helm.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 22:57:52 GMT -5
Great game for Blair and Picket: 33 points, 10 rebounds & 7 assists
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 15, 2017 23:04:21 GMT -5
So much of this thread is bashing JTIII -- who, frankly, doesn't deserve it -- III probably deserves a bit of a pile on although I don't think this thread classifies as that. Look I'm not going to get my hopes up yet and I recognize that the competition was darn awful. But, godd---, I like what I see from this team and much of it, I'm afraid, come across as the anti-III playbook. Aggression on the boards, aggression on offense, lack of hesitancy, variety in terms of scoring the ball, getting to the line, players who look as if they have discovered conditioning, seeking out fastbreaks if available, better grasp at not only beating a trap defense but how to punish the defense once beating that trap, going deep into the bench in an early season game....and in the first half no less, crisp, purposeful passing that led to scoring opportunities quickly rather than eating up unnecessary time as the ball swung uselessly around the three-point line, no multiple stretches of frustrating offensive droughts. You correctly pointed out how there were games even last season in which III's team easily defeated weak, early season opponents. But you failed to acknowledge just how often that wasn't the case in the last few years alone considering the numerous upsets the Hoyas succumbed to, or just how historically III's style of play way too often led to far too close games against weaker early foes that prevented him from going deep into his bench. The style of hoops the Hoyas played the last 13 years often allowed inferior opponents to stay within striking distance. Even some of III's better teams wouldn't pull away until the last 3/4 of a game when they should have ended any doubt about the outcome by halftime. This is stuff that I at least kept pointing out for years, even during the good seasons, so its not as if I'm only referencing this in hindsight. Someone a few post earlier brought up how nice it was to see Ewing calling an early timeout, even when his team was still comfortably ahead. It doesn't matter if he dd so to make a quick adjustment or just to chew his players out a bit. Or both. What matters is that it set a tone which appeared to lead to positive results. I've been waiting to see III call such timeouts and bring some fire/passion to the huddles for the longest time. |
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Post by iowa80 on Nov 15, 2017 23:04:32 GMT -5
Do you want actual answers? MSM is ranked 285th by Pomeroy, and given their experience, that's generous. Just last year, we beat USC Upstate (244) by 45 and were up by 31 at halftime. So yeah, like opening night last year. We also beat Coppin State (343) by 52 and were up by 38 at halftime and 52 by 10 minutes left.We played a closer game against Howard -- more like our opening this year. We're playing a lot of crap teams right now. People bitched about the Elon game or the Arkansas State loss last year and while we shouldn't be losing to those teams, they were good enough to be the bottom end of the Big East. The Mount is nowhere near that. And it's a fallacy that we didn't blow out teams under JTIII, didn't have garbage time, etc. So much of this thread is bashing JTIII -- who, frankly, doesn't deserve it -- but if you are going to do it, at least don't make up. This took me about 12 seconds of googling to figure out you were wrong. Well if III had made and easier schedule he would have had a much happier and more forgiving fanbase and likely still have a job. Perception matters more than reality and Ewing clearly realized that early on. III lost twice to St. John's and had a pathetic home loss to DePaul last year. He lost to teams like Seton Hall and Providence with similar profiles to G'town. That's reality, not perception, and why he's not here. |
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Post by sleepy on Nov 15, 2017 23:04:49 GMT -5
Well if III had made and easier schedule he would have had a much happier and more forgiving fanbase and likely still have a job. Perception matters more than reality and Ewing clearly realized that early on. Right up until we miss a tourney because of a weak schedule. I don't mind the cupcake schedule this year, but the BE schedule could be a pretty nasty wake-up call for some fans ... and the team. I've been making this argument since the summer. A nasty wake up call in January is far better than misery from November-March like we were getting with these schedules that were deceptively challenging. When was the last time we had over optimism and too much positivity on this board? Can't we just be happy that the made up facts and fake news is trending is the positive direction for once? Remember when Nov/Dec was designed for setting unrealistic expectations for the rest of the season? |
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 15, 2017 23:11:47 GMT -5
Great game for Blair and Picket: 33 points, 10 rebounds & 7 assists Blair is who intrigues me. I know Pickett and even Walker are gonna be studs. Blair though was an under-the-radar guy that people were raving about during the Kenner League. He looked like the second coming of DSR out there, although one in better condition at this stage of his college playing days. I know, I know. Level of competition. |
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Post by This Just In on Nov 15, 2017 23:17:40 GMT -5
So much of this thread is bashing JTIII -- who, frankly, doesn't deserve it -- III probably deserves a pile on although I don't think this thread classifies as that. Look I'm not going to get my hopes up yet and I recognize that the competition was darn awful. But, godd---, I like what I see from this team and much of it, I'm afraid, come across as the anti-III playbook. Aggression on the boards, aggression on offense, lack of hesitancy, variety in terms of scoring the ball, getting to the line, players who look as if they have discovered conditioning, seeking out fastbreaks if available, better grasp at not only beating a trap defense but how to punish the defense once beating that trap, going deep into the bench in an early season game....and in the first half no less, crisp, purposeful passing that led to scoring opportunities quickly rather than eating up unnecessary time as the ball swung uselessly around the three-point line, no multiple stretches of frustrating offensive droughts. You correctly pointed out how there were games even last season in which III's team easily defeated weak, early season opponents. But you failed to acknowledge just how often that wasn't the case in the last few years alone considering the numerous upsets the Hoyas succumbed to, or just how historically III's style of play way too often led to far too close games against weaker early foes that prevented him from going deep into his bench. The style of hoops the Hoyas played the last 13 years often allowed inferior opponents to stay within striking distance. Even some of III's better teams wouldn't pull away until the last 3/4 of a game when they should have ended any doubt about the outcome by halftime. This is stuff that I at least kept pointing out for years, even during the good seasons, so its not as if I'm only referencing this in hindsight. Someone a few post earlier brought up how nice it was to see Ewing calling an early timeout, even when his team was still comfortably ahead. It doesn't matter if he dd so to make a quick adjustment or just to chew his players out a bit. Or both. What matters is that it set a tone which appeared to lead to positive results. I've been waiting to see III call such timeouts and bring some fire/passion to the huddles for the longest time. You probably remember this yourself how the offensive game plan would get scrapped in the 2nd half of games when the deficit ballooned to double digits and the offense would become get a shot as fast as you can or a clear out for Peak to go one on one. |
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 15, 2017 23:18:41 GMT -5
1. When did this board stop blocking out profanity? 2. I would not take the JTIII bashing so personally. Any coach in any profession who does not leave a program on their terms is going to get bashed. 2 good examples are Bobby Bowden with Florida State (2 National Championships) & Jon Gruden with Tampa (1 Super Bowl Victory) and both got pushed out and bashed by the fan base. Also Tubby Smith with Kentucky (1 National Championship) and the fan base was sticking for sale signs on his yard. 1) I have no idea. 2) I'm not taking it personally. It bothers me for a few reasons: one, it's tacky and pathetic. It was time to move on, but the man saved a dying program and took us to a Final Four. Stop being petty and childish. There's lots to be happy about; framing it in terms of how bad someone else is is pretty awful when you think about it. Two, I think it's ridiculous to prop up the present in the context of a made up past. But weirdly, the biggest reason it bothers me so much is the complete and utter lack of critical thinking that the people who posted exhibited. It's a perfect example of "I believe something so I will make up fake facts to back it up" even though a thirty second search on google would point out they are wrong. I'm sensitive to this since this kind of "make up to support my preconceived notions" kind of thinking is ever present in pretty much everything in society, and it's basically made it virtually impossible to actual improve on anything, even if there's factual proof on a solution. This lack of critical thinking is awful and it bothers the hell out of me. PREACH!!! I love it... |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 15, 2017 23:22:05 GMT -5
Grumpy Old Man Thoughts here. Fun game to watch, but I'm not nearly as positive as most of you about this team. I do like some things: - I'm still very much liking the offense that we are running. A lot less screening/picking this time around, as we spent much less time in the halfcourt, but there's good spacing, decent movement, and still every once in a while we create a bucket out of good interior passing.
- If this is a real step forward for Jagan, and not just the result of playing a short, unathletic team, then the prospects going forward are much better. I love his IQ, but he hasn't been able to finish at the rim, well, ever, before this game.
- Sodom looks like he could really be something at some point. Pat Ewing + Sodom could be a heckuva player at some point.
- We got an absurd amount of our points on the break, especially to a trailing big man for a three. That's great that we recognize this opportunity, but fast break points are something that good teams and well coached teams can often take away. This is grumpy me talking -- people on here seemed to always think that when we'd run against cupcakes and then not much against Villanova that III was holding people back. The defense plays a role. Forcing turnovers and strong rebounding can help that, but I'm not sure we're actually going to be strong there.
- People were worried about shooting, but that's probably the strongest part of our offense so far -- Govan, Doc, Blair, Pickett make for some pretty decent shooting.
- I just don't think this offense can keep up. I don't trust MD's or Govan's post game or offensive rebounding against bigger, stronger teams. I don't trust anyone to create off the dribble. I suspect we won't be a great breaking team against good teams. We'll run the offense and shoot a crapload of threes. Don't believe me -- we've played two creampuffs and we are shooting 3s on 38.4% of our FGA -- 5% more than last year! On one hand, we are shooting 44%, so okay, but on the other, these are teams we should be able to get to the line against, get to the hole, post up. And we're still resorting to 3s on 40% of our shots. What's going to happen against a good defense?
- Our pick and roll defense was really, really bad. We got away with it a ton. On small/big pnrs, we went over the top and the big hedged back to stop the drive. We stopped the drive ... but game up a ton of wide open threes (they missed). More worryingly, we also gave up a ton of easy passes to the roll man -- our help rotation from the weak side was late at least four times that I saw, usually fouling.
- We're also giving up a ton of threes (40% of FGA), but not giving up a high %. Good 3pt defenses usually limit the shots while limiting % tends to be a bit more random. I think this is a bit fluky given this may have been scouting report driven, but it's something to watch.
- Part of my skepticism is that we've dominated the boards, but I can't see Jessie Govan doing that against any size. Perhaps he will prove me wrong.
- I will harp on this again: we are taking a ton of threes, not getting to the line at all, not forcing turnovers, and our good offense has been driven by hot 3pt shooting. Ewing runs a different offense, and yes, we're breaking a lot though some of that may be opponent. But this team has a lot in common with prior years, mostly that pesky personnel.
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Post by x-centercourt400s on Nov 15, 2017 23:23:35 GMT -5
I doubt Blair will be able to be as consistently good as he was tonight. But he's proven that he's got talent and that he will make an impact as a Hoya.
It was good to see Kaleb have a strong game after such a weak opener.
Pickett doesn't play like a freshman.
Govan is taking advantage of opponents, as he should.
If Mosley can find an even semi-consistent shooting touch, he could be really good.
Was it just me or did it appear that Sodom was improving right before our eyes? His play, especially on defense, was markedly better in the last five min than at any other time. He was still getting beaten by faster players but by the end was reacting much better to what they were trying to do against him.
I like Walker's demeanor, confidence and physicality. He just needs experience.
Lots of positives tonight, but yeah, the opponent was pretty bad. This team needs a lot more time together and they need to put in a ton of hard work if they want to succeed in the Big East. The seeds seem to be there though and the foundation being built looks good.
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Post by This Just In on Nov 15, 2017 23:32:00 GMT -5
Well if III had made and easier schedule he would have had a much happier and more forgiving fanbase and likely still have a job. Perception matters more than reality and Ewing clearly realized that early on. III lost twice to St. John's and had a pathetic home loss to DePaul last year. He lost to teams like Seton Hall and Providence with similar profiles to G'town. That's reality, not perception, and why he's not here. I do not think that the OOC Schedule is what got JTIII, but going 12-24 (33%) in the BE the last 2 seasons is what sealed his doom. The last 2 seasons once it turned February, JTIII was 3-17 which were wins over St. Johns, DePaul and Marquette. If Coach Ewing posts back to back BE Season Records like that, fans will be asking for his head too. |
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 15, 2017 23:34:42 GMT -5
Great game for Blair and Picket: 33 points, 10 rebounds & 7 assists Blair is who intrigues me. I know Pickett and even Walker are gonna be studs. Blair though was an under-the-radar guy that people were raving about during the Kenner League. He looked like the second coming of DSR out there, although one in better condition at this stage of his college playing days. I know, I know. Level of competition. Unfortunately we're gonna be wondering about this until mid-December.. After two very nice wins, I'd love to see the team taking on tougher comp out in Portland a week from Friday.. I'd bet a chunk of change that many posters would like to see how they'd do now as well.. |
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