EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 27, 2016 18:31:26 GMT -5
Tas check out Hibbert's soph stats, they're pretty good.. No argument there. But he was by no means graceful. If the comment was that Hibbert was more polished, there's a discussion to be had there. But more graceful than Govan? Not close. Gimme ungraceful production over graceful non production every day of the week..
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Nov 27, 2016 18:32:07 GMT -5
No argument there. But he was by no means graceful. If the comment was that Hibbert was more polished, there's a discussion to be had there. But more graceful than Govan? Not close. Gimme ungraceful production over graceful non production every day of the week.. No doubt.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Nov 27, 2016 18:57:35 GMT -5
The fans are making it known!
/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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zxhoya
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Post by zxhoya on Nov 27, 2016 19:07:25 GMT -5
The fans are making it known! /photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Wow! Although I'm not in favor of firing III, you know...freedom of speech
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 27, 2016 19:22:29 GMT -5
Um - freedom of speech involves the government not prohibiting speech - not private arenas.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 27, 2016 19:39:00 GMT -5
Not sure we can take away too much from this game. Glad to see Campbell and Agau contribute. Can't be all on Peak and Pryor. Hoping Derrickson becomes our outside threat. Verizon looked pretty empty.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Nov 27, 2016 19:44:08 GMT -5
Do we have the attendance numbers?
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Nov 27, 2016 20:04:42 GMT -5
Do we have the attendance numbers? 5 something
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Nov 27, 2016 20:07:08 GMT -5
Do we have the attendance numbers? Per ESPN it was a sellout crowd
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 27, 2016 20:15:51 GMT -5
Do we have the attendance numbers? Per ESPN it was a sellout crowd Washington Post says 5258
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Nov 27, 2016 20:28:40 GMT -5
Per ESPN it was a sellout crowd Washington Post says 5258 Tongue in cheek was in play. The attendance information is located at the lower left hand side of the page from ESPN as you scroll down.
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 27, 2016 21:00:18 GMT -5
The fans are making it known! /photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Just my two cents, but that serves no purpose and embarrasses the University. There is zero-point-zero chance of any sudden change in 2016-17. Troubling stat: No Georgetown team has ever made the NCAA's with more than 11 regular season losses. Even if GU were to sweep Syracuse and UConn (no guarantee of either right now), that means it would have to do no worse than 11-7 in Big East play just to make it to 11 losses.
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Post by drquigley on Nov 27, 2016 21:03:05 GMT -5
I think JT3, like all of us, has seen enough of Jesse Govan. Looks like he's our third string center behind Aguao and Hayes. Govan makes Roy Hibbert look graceful. What a waste of a scholarship. I hope that's a joke. I agree he shouldn't be starting right now, but the guy is a sophomore with good size and a pretty good face up shot, with range. Sure, he has holes in his game right now, Most importantly he needs to get physically stronger and improve his D. The coaches also need to realize his back to the basket game is not ready for prime time yet. While he's developing that in practice, they need to figure out ways to get him face up touches if he's going to be a contributor this year. I wish I was just joking. He hasn't figured out yet that he's not playing NYC high school basketball. I've never seen a guy his size play so soft. He was going to be our next "big man". Instead, he's now our third center off the bench. His hands are horrible and he's a turnover waiting to happen. So far this year has he ever had an offensive rebound/put back? Just got done watching Seton Hall-Stanford. Delgado will eat Jesse alive.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Nov 27, 2016 21:33:34 GMT -5
I hope that's a joke. I agree he shouldn't be starting right now, but the guy is a sophomore with good size and a pretty good face up shot, with range. Sure, he has holes in his game right now, Most importantly he needs to get physically stronger and improve his D. The coaches also need to realize his back to the basket game is not ready for prime time yet. While he's developing that in practice, they need to figure out ways to get him face up touches if he's going to be a contributor this year. I wish I was just joking. He hasn't figured out yet that he's not playing NYC high school basketball. I've never seen a guy his size play so soft. He was going to be our next "big man". Instead, he's now our third center off the bench. His hands are horrible and he's a turnover waiting to happen. So far this year has he ever had an offensive rebound/put back? Just got done watching Seton Hall-Stanford. Delgado will eat Jesse alive. I have to agree here. To me it appears he has made absolutely no improvements in the offseason. His hands are weak, his game is soft, he doesn't rebound and he still has no idea how to defend. Everytime he's doubled its an instant turnover. It's nice to have a C that knock down a three from time to time but if that's all he can do effectively on the floor, he's going to be a net negative. I think it's fair to question his work ethic. I'm not saying he definitely didn't put in the offseason work, but I think it's certainly fair to ask the question.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 27, 2016 21:56:02 GMT -5
Big tip of the cap to Akoy today. Even though that game was tighter than any of us wanted, Akoy played really hard. He still doesn't look to have the bounce that he did prior to the injuries but he continues to look better and better. I hope he's 100% and in full game shape sooner than later. The fact that he played just shy of 30 minutes today is a testament to the work he must've put in being sidelined for so long. I'm hoping that attitude and ethic is contagious because it's one of the things this team needs more of.
Also, I was impressed with Derrickson's effort. He didn't play at all like he was concerned about reinjuring himself. And he looks leaner and quicker on the second jump. He needs to be healthy if these Hoyas are going to have any chance of turning this thing around.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Nov 27, 2016 22:16:13 GMT -5
It isnt a good sign when you play even with Howard over the final 35 minutes of the game. Especially when your top offensive threat has a big, big day. And you get a huge performance from Tre.
Causes for continued concern:
The press is horrible. We seem to be a step late rotating to pick off the "next" pass after the trap comes. And the traps themselves are ineffective. I know I am repeating myself, but why not try a different press? What we are doing is doubly ineffective because our guards can't keep anyone in front of them. So, extending full court man just compounds the issue. That's a coaching issue.
We have struggled with that 3-2 zone before and didn't look real comfortable against it. Its all about getting the ball to the baseline and then reversing it through the middle. But we were forcing into the middle from the guard spots, which wasn't open.
I'd be happier if Brad were more consistent on the block, especially against a small team.
Hopeful signs:
I liked the quick hooks of guys not performing.
I liked that Marcus got back on the court and looked healthy. The rust was understandable.
I thought we ran the break well. Good, quick outlets. Fairly smart decisions in transition. Looking for early, open threes.
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Post by trillesthoya on Nov 27, 2016 23:00:56 GMT -5
I liked that Marcus got back on the court and looked healthy. The rust was understandable. Did he look healthy? I thought he looked noticeably slower this game, especially on rotations and on the perimeter. I didn't see a limp per say but compared to Kenner he looked like he was running at 70%.
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Post by grandmahoya on Nov 27, 2016 23:24:01 GMT -5
I think the signs in the Verizon center and the people holding them were classless and disgraceful. I for one am hoping for the best for this young team and Coach, and prefer to wait and pass judgement later on as the season progresses. There are many more games to be played and I am really tired of all this negativity. They are students first, players second, and fine young men. Lets give them the respect that they deserve. Go Hoyas!
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Post by x-centercourt400s on Nov 27, 2016 23:36:15 GMT -5
I wish I was just joking. He hasn't figured out yet that he's not playing NYC high school basketball. I've never seen a guy his size play so soft. He was going to be our next "big man". Instead, he's now our third center off the bench. His hands are horrible and he's a turnover waiting to happen. So far this year has he ever had an offensive rebound/put back? Just got done watching Seton Hall-Stanford. Delgado will eat Jesse alive. I have to agree here. To me it appears he has made absolutely no improvements in the offseason. His hands are weak, his game is soft, he doesn't rebound and he still has no idea how to defend. Everytime he's doubled its an instant turnover. It's nice to have a C that knock down a three from time to time but if that's all he can do effectively on the floor, he's going to be a net negative. I think it's fair to question his work ethic. I'm not saying he definitely didn't put in the offseason work, but I think it's certainly fair to ask the question. If you want to really be fair make sure you look back at games 1 - 4 where he averaged 13 pts and 6 rbs a game. He wasn't setting the world on fire but he wasn't "a waste of a scholarship" either. That said I'm glad Thompson is sitting him because he has looked really soft in the last three games.
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Post by x-centercourt400s on Nov 27, 2016 23:45:28 GMT -5
I think the signs in the Verizon center and the people holding them were classless and disgraceful. I for one am hoping for the best for this young team and Coach, and prefer to wait and pass judgement later on as the season progresses. There are many more games to be played and I am really tired of all this negativity. They are students first, players second, and fine young men. Lets give them the respect that they deserve. Go Hoyas! Yeah, whoever did that should be ashamed. Its one thing if pro-sports fans want to try to embarrass their team for poor performance. Pro athletes are well compensated adults who deserve to be judged on performance alone. College athletes are a whole other story and deserve to be treated better than that, regardless of the team or individual performance level. I'd expect bags/insulting signs/other stupid displays from a fan base like Syracuse, not from Hoya fans.
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