Hoyas - Howard 11/27/16 Discussion

[njhoya78]

Final unofficial statistics, per yahoo.com

FG%: GU 49.1; HU 44.6
3P%: GU 46.4; HU 33.3
FT%: GU 75.0; HU 69.2
Offensive rebounds/total: GU 8/29; HU 9/26
Assists: GU 16; HU 5
Turnovers: GU 17; HU 17
Steals: GU 12; HU 9
Blocks: GU 6; HU 1
Fouls: GU 19; HU 18
High scorers: GU Rodney Pryor 26, Akoy Agau 14, L.J. Peak 14, Tre Campbell 12; HU James Miller 30, Solomon Mangham 13, Damon Collins 11

[trillesthoya]

Also we have literally have no offense besides pray-to-god three pointers and the occasionally flashy play by LJ/Pryor. Everything else is in shambles.

[njhoya78]

This one didn't fill me with the warm fuzzies.

[SFHoya99]

Nov 27, 2016 14:38:31 GMT -5 zxhoya said:

Just don't see instinctual players other than LJ and maybe Akoy.

The exact play that just kind of summed up the last couple of years and the vaunted 2014 class in particular.

Pryor has the ball at the three point line. He's picked up his dribble as a double team closed on him, which is bad enough. But he's spinning and contorting, trying to find an opening and an open teammate.

Tre Campbell, the player who the double teamer came off, is standing back by the midcourt line, flat footed. He doesn't look bored or out of it. But he isn't moving. At all. Not for a full five seconds or so. Even though he's the open guy, he makes absolutely no move to get an angle for Pryor to get him the ball. He just stands there.

A really smart player would realize that if he got to a seam in the double and then got the ball, he could likely then attack the lane unguarded -- it would not be hard against this double team to actually get the ball from Pryor in a situation where both double teamers couldn't quickly help on him.

A decently average player would at least move to where the defenders weren't so Pryor could get them the ball, even if it meant receiving the ball back near halfcourt and at no real advantage.

Campbell didn't move.

Pryor eventually contorted himself, and half falling down, rolled the ball to Campbell, who finally took a step to lazily pick it up.

And that's a huge reason why this team isn't winning crap. Too many players like Campbell.

[GIGAFAN99]

Nov 27, 2016 16:01:35 GMT -5 SFHoya99 said:

Nov 27, 2016 14:38:31 GMT -5 zxhoya said:

Just don't see instinctual players other than LJ and maybe Akoy.

The exact play that just kind of summed up the last couple of years and the vaunted 2014 class in particular.

Pryor has the ball at the three point line. He's picked up his dribble as a double team closed on him, which is bad enough. But he's spinning and contorting, trying to find an opening and an open teammate.

Tre Campbell, the player who the double teamer came off, is standing back by the midcourt line, flat footed. He doesn't look bored or out of it. But he isn't moving. At all. Not for a full five seconds or so. Even though he's the open guy, he makes absolutely no move to get an angle for Pryor to get him the ball. He just stands there.

A really smart player would realize that if he got to a seam in the double and then got the ball, he could likely then attack the lane unguarded -- it would not be hard against this double team to actually get the ball from Pryor in a situation where both double teamers couldn't quickly help on him.

A decently average player would at least move to where the defenders weren't so Pryor could get them the ball, even if it meant receiving the ball back near halfcourt and at no real advantage.

Campbell didn't move.

Pryor eventually contorted himself, and half falling down, rolled the ball to Campbell, who finally took a step to lazily pick it up.

And that's a huge reason why this team isn't winning crap. Too many players like Campbell.

I have to say, I find it very hard to believe JTIII is just "unlucky" in "finding" young kids without instincts.

Plenty of less-talented teams know to go get the ball, or box out, or stay with their dribble.

[njhoya78]

Plus/minus for this afternoon's game, calculated from the play-by-play posted at guhoyas.com:

Agau +27, Pryor +19, Peak +18, Hayes +14, Mosely +13, Campbell even, Derrickson -2, Johnson -4, Govan -8, Mulmore -12, Cameron DNP/leave of absence, Copeland DNP/injured, Hines DNP/coach's decision, Mourning DNP/coach's decision, Muresan DNP/coach's decision.

[EasyEd]

Is Pryor the best 3-point shooter we have ever had?

Impressed with Akoy's athleticism. Just needs to learn how to avoid fouling.

[calhoya]

Was that Reggie Cameron in uniform on the bench?

[SSHoya]

Nov 27, 2016 16:23:20 GMT -5 calhoya said:

Was that Reggie Cameron in uniform on the bench?

Yes.

[TBird41]

Nov 27, 2016 16:16:44 GMT -5 EasyEd said:

Is Pryor the best 3-point shooter we have ever had?

Impressed with Akoy's athleticism. Just needs to learn how to avoid fouling.

Pryor's shooting 47.1% from three this year after going 11/16 from behind the arc against USC-Upstate and Howard. Jon Wallace shot 49.0% from three in 2007 and 44.7% in 2008, Hollis shot 45.7% in 2011 and Austin shot 44.4% in 2010. So it's probably a good idea to wait until conference play to crown Pryor.

[hoyalove4ever]

Sloppy game but solid win. Have to get these one at a time and little-by-little.

[drquigley]

I think JT3, like all of us, has seen enough of Jesse Govan. Looks like he's our third string center behind Aguao and Hayes. Govan makes Roy Hibbert look graceful. What a waste of a scholarship.

[Deleted]

Nov 27, 2016 17:16:11 GMT -5 drquigley said:

I think JT3, like all of us, has seen enough of Jesse Govan. Looks like he's our third string center behind Aguao and Hayes. Govan makes Roy Hibbert look graceful. What a waste of a scholarship.

No. Not this at all.

[hoya137]

Nov 27, 2016 17:16:11 GMT -5 drquigley said:

I think JT3, like all of us, has seen enough of Jesse Govan. Looks like he's our third string center behind Aguao and Hayes. Govan makes Roy Hibbert look graceful. What a waste of a scholarship.

I hope that's a joke. I agree he shouldn't be starting right now, but the guy is a sophomore with good size and a pretty good face up shot, with range.

Sure, he has holes in his game right now, Most importantly he needs to get physically stronger and improve his D.
The coaches also need to realize his back to the basket game is not ready for prime time yet. While he's developing that in practice, they need to figure out ways to get him face up touches if he's going to be a contributor this year.

[trillesthoya]

Couple important numbers:

Derrickson had 6 rebounds in 21 minutes. There were quite a few times where he fought ferociously for rebounds. That's going to be a big plus for this team going forward, we need the effort he puts in more than anything else right now.

Agau had 4 turnovers. That's not catastrophic for a game alone, but moving forward that needs to be fixed. We are turning the ball over far too much to be competitive in this conference. Hoping he fixes that as he returns to being comfortable on the court and gets even healthier.

[rockhoya]

Nov 27, 2016 16:37:25 GMT -5 TBird41 said:

Nov 27, 2016 16:16:44 GMT -5 EasyEd said:

Is Pryor the best 3-point shooter we have ever had?

Impressed with Akoy's athleticism. Just needs to learn how to avoid fouling.

Pryor's shooting 47.1% from three this year after going 11/16 from behind the arc against USC-Upstate and Howard. Jon Wallace shot 49.0% from three in 2007 and 44.7% in 2008, Hollis shot 45.7% in 2011 and Austin shot 44.4% in 2010. So it's probably a good idea to wait until conference play to crown Pryor.

Lol I think you misunderstood the question.

[FrazierFanatic]

Nov 27, 2016 14:31:36 GMT -5 This Just In said:

Team is only up 10 against win less Howard Univ.
Both teams combined for 80 points in the 1st half, so definitely they total over `140.
The bad news is that the Hoyas were favored by 19.5 points
The team might be lucky to hang on and win this game.

Epic fail.

[tashoya]

Nov 27, 2016 17:16:11 GMT -5 drquigley said:

I think JT3, like all of us, has seen enough of Jesse Govan. Looks like he's our third string center behind Aguao and Hayes. Govan makes Roy Hibbert look graceful. What a waste of a scholarship.

Did you watch any of Hibbert's games in his first two seasons as a Hoya? I get that time makes the old days seem like the good old days to a degree but, in your recollection, did Hibbert arrive to the games riding a unicorn as well?

[EtomicB]

Nov 27, 2016 18:12:50 GMT -5 tashoya said:

Nov 27, 2016 17:16:11 GMT -5 drquigley said:

I think JT3, like all of us, has seen enough of Jesse Govan. Looks like he's our third string center behind Aguao and Hayes. Govan makes Roy Hibbert look graceful. What a waste of a scholarship.

Did you watch any of Hibbert's games in his first two seasons as a Hoya? I get that time makes the old days seem like the good old days to a degree but, in your recollection, did Hibbert arrive to the games riding a unicorn as well?

Tas check out Hibbert's soph stats, they're pretty good..

[tashoya]

Nov 27, 2016 18:21:17 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Nov 27, 2016 18:12:50 GMT -5 tashoya said:

Did you watch any of Hibbert's games in his first two seasons as a Hoya? I get that time makes the old days seem like the good old days to a degree but, in your recollection, did Hibbert arrive to the games riding a unicorn as well?

Tas check out Hibbert's soph stats, they're pretty good..

No argument there. But he was by no means graceful. If the comment was that Hibbert was more polished, there's a discussion to be had there. But more graceful than Govan? Not close.