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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 17, 2016 12:25:11 GMT -5
To the degree Waheed can help on defense, you cannot underrate that aspect either. Last year, we were 345 in foul rate (meaning we were 345 of 351 in sending opponents to the line). Hofstra, where Waheed coached was 2. Now, I have no idea if Waheed was responsible for that in part, but our fouling truly was at crisis proportions last year (and I don't say that with hyperbole in mind; it truly was one of the biggest factors in our not being an NCAA quality team last year). If he can help to fix that problem, that alone is worth a huge amount.
But, I agree his most important task is recruiting.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 12:40:04 GMT -5
Underwhelmed by this guy's resume (Steve Donahue coaching tree - not a guy I'd want to be associated with), but I assume the Gonzaga connections will help secure Lykes and/or Hubb. I also think it can't be easy for JT3 to bring in a really good new assistant given Georgetown's underwhelming results of the last few years, at least unless the Hoyas are offering a pile of money. Hopefully the next assistant hired will be more impressive. To be fair he isn't from Donahue coaching tree, he got his start at Niagara 10yrs, spent 3 years at BC, 1 at Hofstra. That's like saying Robert Kirby is from 3's coaching tree. Don't think last year has anything to do with the pool of talent they could choose from. It's a job so it's about the money imo BTW When Donahue was hired he was fresh off 3 straight league titles and Tourney appearances at Cornell. He reached the sweet 16 in his final season. The guy can coach think you guys are underestimating how tough a place BC is to win at right now. He started 2 walk-ons his first season.. |
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Post by hoyaboya on May 17, 2016 13:31:28 GMT -5
To the degree Waheed can help on defense, you cannot underrate that aspect either. Last year, we were 345 in foul rate (meaning we were 345 of 351 in sending opponents to the line). Hofstra, where Waheed coached was 2. Now, I have no idea if Waheed was responsible for that in part, but our fouling truly was at crisis proportions last year (and I don't say that with hyperbole in mind; it truly was one of the biggest factors in our not being an NCAA quality team last year). If he can help to fix that problem, that alone is worth a huge amount. But, I agree his most important task is recruiting. 100% agree with this point. Didn't realize Hofstra was so good on that front. Would be a huge upgrade if he could help here. |
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Post by professorhoya on May 17, 2016 15:19:10 GMT -5
To the degree Waheed can help on defense, you cannot underrate that aspect either. Last year, we were 345 in foul rate (meaning we were 345 of 351 in sending opponents to the line). Hofstra, where Waheed coached was 2. Now, I have no idea if Waheed was responsible for that in part, but our fouling truly was at crisis proportions last year (and I don't say that with hyperbole in mind; it truly was one of the biggest factors in our not being an NCAA quality team last year). If he can help to fix that problem, that alone is worth a huge amount. But, I agree his most important task is recruiting. Briefly looking at some articles it seems like the reason they didn't foul is because they didn't play any defense (162 of 351 defense efficiency) and relied on a five man rotation. On the plus side it says they had an uptempo high scoring offense to offset the bad defense theodorenewsletter.com/2016/04/01/on-hofstras-2015-16-mens-basketball-a-summary-analysis/ |
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Post by EtomicB on May 17, 2016 15:29:50 GMT -5
My reference to Hunter was much more about Hardy & Sutton( mainly Sutton since he replaced him) than it was about Waheed.. Many other posters shared your feelings on Hunter Yaboy but I always thought he was pretty good here and if offers came for a couple of other kids during his time here would have been even better.. @ Nebraska he's pulled in a 4* pg in Watson(Chicago kid), Andrew White from Kansas, James Palmer from Miami.. Saw a report about a 6-10 center choosing Nebraska the other day as well.. There can't be any debate that he's been much better there than Hardy or Sutton were at G'town.. As far as Waheed goes his time @ BC is more relevant in my view because it's a higher level of ball than Niagra.. I get that he's not going to get the cream of the crop from the DMV to go to BC but you'd think he'd be able to get some less regarded kids to take the chance right? After all it's still the ACC.. Hey, I hope it works out great, I hope to look back 5 years from now and say what a hire but as it stands now it's way to early to say IMO.. The most impactful of those kids White, Hunter recruited in HS and didn't land him here so imo It's hard to compare because you have different factors to consider. A couple of those being scholarships PT etc... Also I think it's debatable with Hardy somewhat but even if it's edge Hunter I wasn't really happy with Hardy's pull so why would I be happy with a little bit better than Hardy. While it's certainly premature to judge him on it Nebraska's records since he's been there 19-13 13-18 16-18 No NCAA'a Yeah but it's still BC. Kids want to win or at least play in front of slightly more than 1,000 fans lol. You posted an article about how poor BC's recruiting was, how does him getting less regarded kids from the DMV change the context of that article? I get the overall concern though and I 2 would like to have seen more success there, but it's hard to make the sale when the product is that poor also. Imo It's always too early to tell no matter who the hire is... Whoever the guy is has to get to work, but he seems well liked and he's known in the regions Gtown recruits best in the DMV and upper east so that's a positive. A lot of these things come down to your POV. I look at Niagara as a plus because there's more skill development and evaluation done by coaches to be successful at that level. There's no list to identify players, you have to depend on your own evaluations and find those diamond in the rough types. Once guys get there you have to develop the talent in order to be successful, and without the bells and whistles of your typical HM. I also like the fact he has some Princeton Background but majority of his coaching experience was in other more guard orientated systems. As you've stated many times recruiting is about relationships so although he didn't end up at Gtown Hunter built a strong enough rapport to get him to Nebraska.. Same goes for Palmer.. I don't get why you wouldn't be happy to have something that's a little better than what you have.. Plus the person that we should compare Hunter with is Sutton not Hardy.. A bench of Broadus, Hunter & Hardy is better than last years staff IMO.. I hear you about BC but they pack the place when the UNC, Cuse, Duke or ND's of the conference come to Conte.. As you posted it would have been good to see a better resume whole he was there.. Good salesman will tell you they could sell parkas to folks living in Hawaii if they had to.. As I previously posted I hope Waheed works out well, same goes for PE Jr. if he gets the gig but more than anything I hope JT3 gives them the resources and support to do their jobs well.. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 16:09:34 GMT -5
The most impactful of those kids White, Hunter recruited in HS and didn't land him here so imo It's hard to compare because you have different factors to consider. A couple of those being scholarships PT etc... Also I think it's debatable with Hardy somewhat but even if it's edge Hunter I wasn't really happy with Hardy's pull so why would I be happy with a little bit better than Hardy. While it's certainly premature to judge him on it Nebraska's records since he's been there 19-13 13-18 16-18 No NCAA'a Yeah but it's still BC. Kids want to win or at least play in front of slightly more than 1,000 fans lol. You posted an article about how poor BC's recruiting was, how does him getting less regarded kids from the DMV change the context of that article? I get the overall concern though and I 2 would like to have seen more success there, but it's hard to make the sale when the product is that poor also. Imo It's always too early to tell no matter who the hire is... Whoever the guy is has to get to work, but he seems well liked and he's known in the regions Gtown recruits best in the DMV and upper east so that's a positive. A lot of these things come down to your POV. I look at Niagara as a plus because there's more skill development and evaluation done by coaches to be successful at that level. There's no list to identify players, you have to depend on your own evaluations and find those diamond in the rough types. Once guys get there you have to develop the talent in order to be successful, and without the bells and whistles of your typical HM. I also like the fact he has some Princeton Background but majority of his coaching experience was in other more guard orientated systems. As you've stated many times recruiting is about relationships so although he didn't end up at Gtown Hunter built a strong enough rapport to get him to Nebraska.. Same goes for Palmer.. I don't get why you wouldn't be happy to have something that's a little better than what you have.. Plus the person that we should compare Hunter with is Sutton not Hardy.. A bench of Broadus, Hunter & Hardy is better than last years staff IMO.. I hear you about BC but they pack the place when the UNC, Cuse, Duke or ND's of the conference come to Conte.. As you posted it would have been good to see a better resume whole he was there.. Good salesman will tell you they could sell parkas to folks living in Hawaii if they had to.. As I previously posted I hope Waheed works out well, same goes for PE Jr. if he gets the gig but more than anything I hope JT3 gives them the resources and support to do their jobs well.. I'm not using this a description for those guys but if you take bad and stick a bow on it it's still bad with a bow on it. There's 0 guarantee he would have landed any of those kids here. He didn't get an official from either kid when he was a Georgetown coach....You and I know it's a lot easier to land transfer kids due to limited options (Most schools being out of Scholarships) and time frame than to land HS kids. Those recruits are looking for a familiar face a lot of time with not much time to make a decision. When He was a Gtown assistant which matters most to me he didn't land either and when they transferred our scholarship situation wouldn't have allowed us to add either. So imo hard to compare the 2. It's fine though he can be better than the 2 guys that followed him but both teams were terrible either way They won 16 we won 15.. imo we need better results than any of those 3 provided. Hopefully Waheed does that. Rains quite a bit in Hawaii so salesman would be right but I don't see too many flourishing Parka businesses in Drought filled Los Angeles. Think your product and environment count. Hardy wasn't landing Paul White if he stayed at Northwestern was he? Govan? I don't understand what that last sentence means you would have to be more specific.. |
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Post by EtomicB on May 17, 2016 20:11:01 GMT -5
As you've stated many times recruiting is about relationships so although he didn't end up at Gtown Hunter built a strong enough rapport to get him to Nebraska.. Same goes for Palmer.. I don't get why you wouldn't be happy to have something that's a little better than what you have.. Plus the person that we should compare Hunter with is Sutton not Hardy.. A bench of Broadus, Hunter & Hardy is better than last years staff IMO.. I hear you about BC but they pack the place when the UNC, Cuse, Duke or ND's of the conference come to Conte.. As you posted it would have been good to see a better resume whole he was there.. Good salesman will tell you they could sell parkas to folks living in Hawaii if they had to.. As I previously posted I hope Waheed works out well, same goes for PE Jr. if he gets the gig but more than anything I hope JT3 gives them the resources and support to do their jobs well.. I'm not using this a description for those guys but if you take bad and stick a bow on it it's still bad with a bow on it. There's 0 guarantee he would have landed any of those kids here. He didn't get an official from either kid when he was a Georgetown coach....You and I know it's a lot easier to land transfer kids due to limited options (Most schools being out of Scholarships) and time frame than to land HS kids. Those recruits are looking for a familiar face a lot of time with not much time to make a decision. When He was a Gtown assistant which matters most to me he didn't land either and when they transferred our scholarship situation wouldn't have allowed us to add either. So imo hard to compare the 2. It's fine though he can be better than the 2 guys that followed him but both teams were terrible either way They won 16 we won 15.. imo we need better results than any of those 3 provided. Hopefully Waheed does that. Rains quite a bit in Hawaii so salesman would be right but I don't see too many flourishing Parka businesses in Drought filled Los Angeles. Think your product and environment count. Hardy wasn't landing Paul White if he stayed at NorthWestern was he? Or Govan? I don't understand what that last sentence means you would have to be more specific.. To me having a bow on something bad makes it a better bad which means the program is better.. It's like you're saying if the team can't be good you'd rather stink, I can't get with that line of thinking.. A golfing partner of mine has a similar line of thinking, to him a double bogey is just as bad as a quadruple bogey on a hole.. He always says they're both terrible scores and I always say you're right but the 6 is less terrible than the 8.. Being Better is always the most desirable spot to be in to me, regardless of how small the degree of better it may be.. I only brought up White & Palmer because you said what he has done at Nebraska wasn't that impressive.. Also to show that Hunter had made enough of an impression on the players while recruiting them for G'town that they were receptive to checking out Nebraska.. Didn't mean to imply he could have gotten them to Gtown if he were still here in anyway.. The performance of the teams are a completely different discussion, I was just talking recruiting.. What I was trying to get across in that last sentence was that JT3 needs to be a better teacher, mentor, guide ect. to his new staff imo.. As I've posted a few times over the past week his track record in developing a solid staff lately hasn't been up to par.. P.S. - To put a bow on Hunter, I think the only reason he's not here is because G'town didn't want to match what Nebraska offered.. If this is the case, then it's really on JT3 to learn how to teach & develop his staff.. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 22:17:27 GMT -5
I'm not using this a description for those guys but if you take bad and stick a bow on it it's still bad with a bow on it. There's 0 guarantee he would have landed any of those kids here. He didn't get an official from either kid when he was a Georgetown coach....You and I know it's a lot easier to land transfer kids due to limited options (Most schools being out of Scholarships) and time frame than to land HS kids. Those recruits are looking for a familiar face a lot of time with not much time to make a decision. When He was a Gtown assistant which matters most to me he didn't land either and when they transferred our scholarship situation wouldn't have allowed us to add either. So imo hard to compare the 2. It's fine though he can be better than the 2 guys that followed him but both teams were terrible either way They won 16 we won 15.. imo we need better results than any of those 3 provided. Hopefully Waheed does that. Rains quite a bit in Hawaii so salesman would be right but I don't see too many flourishing Parka businesses in Drought filled Los Angeles. Think your product and environment count. Hardy wasn't landing Paul White if he stayed at NorthWestern was he? Or Govan? I don't understand what that last sentence means you would have to be more specific.. To me having a bow on something bad makes it a better bad which means the program is better.. It's like you're saying if the team can't be good you'd rather stink, I can't get with that line of thinking.. A golfing partner of mine has a similar line of thinking, to him a double bogey is just as bad as a quadruple bogey on a hole.. He always says they're both terrible scores and I always say you're right but the 6 is less terrible than the 8.. Being Better is always the most desirable spot to be in to me, regardless of how small the degree of better it may be.. I only brought up White & Palmer because you said what he has done at Nebraska wasn't that impressive.. Also to show that Hunter had made enough of an impression on the players while recruiting them for G'town that they were receptive to checking out Nebraska.. Didn't mean to imply he could have gotten them to Gtown if he were still here in anyway.. The performance of the teams are a completely different discussion, I was just talking recruiting.. What I was trying to get across in that last sentence was that JT3 needs to be a better teacher, mentor, guide ect. to his new staff imo.. As I've posted a few times over the past week his track record in developing a solid staff lately hasn't been up to par.. P.S. - To put a bow on Hunter, I think the only reason he's not here is because G'town didn't want to match what Nebraska offered.. If this is the case, then it's really on JT3 to learn how to teach & develop his staff.. You judge recruiting based on performance, no? Personally I don't think that's impressive tbh. Palmer averaged 3ppg at Miami in 2 seasons. I think he's a better than those numbers but if he were coming here I think a lot of people would be ho hum about it. White is good, Glynn Watson played ok as a frosh but I would hope a Big 10 asst could pull those types of kids over a 3 year period. White will never play with Palmer and they only get 2 years out of both. Think he definitely has an opportunity to groom a young assistant like Pejr but the other guys were/are grown men and u need to see results. If I'm not getting it done at my job over a period of time that's usually on me more than my trainer imo. I don't think 3 got these guys because he thought If I coach them up they'll be good recruiters. Think he got them because they were seasoned. Their Bio's said good recruiter on them when hired. However if you're going to say that's on him does 3 get credit for developing Hunter since his only real recruiting experience was at Duquense in the late 90's then? Again it depends on your POV but it's fair to say that if you want and 3 hired them so pass fail is on him anyways. Personally It doesn't matter much to me cause IMO we need another Broadus not another Hardy, Sutton, or Hunter. The talent in the DMV is ridiculous now so hopefully his DMV and NE connections play well at Georgetown. We need to get our fair share of the next few classes here, rather than playing around in Chicago or Florida were we've had little success last 3 years. |
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on May 18, 2016 0:16:03 GMT -5
To me having a bow on something bad makes it a better bad which means the program is better.. It's like you're saying if the team can't be good you'd rather stink, I can't get with that line of thinking.. A golfing partner of mine has a similar line of thinking, to him a double bogey is just as bad as a quadruple bogey on a hole.. He always says they're both terrible scores and I always say you're right but the 6 is less terrible than the 8.. Being Better is always the most desirable spot to be in to me, regardless of how small the degree of better it may be.. I only brought up White & Palmer because you said what he has done at Nebraska wasn't that impressive.. Also to show that Hunter had made enough of an impression on the players while recruiting them for G'town that they were receptive to checking out Nebraska.. Didn't mean to imply he could have gotten them to Gtown if he were still here in anyway.. The performance of the teams are a completely different discussion, I was just talking recruiting.. What I was trying to get across in that last sentence was that JT3 needs to be a better teacher, mentor, guide ect. to his new staff imo.. As I've posted a few times over the past week his track record in developing a solid staff lately hasn't been up to par.. P.S. - To put a bow on Hunter, I think the only reason he's not here is because G'town didn't want to match what Nebraska offered.. If this is the case, then it's really on JT3 to learn how to teach & develop his staff.. Couldn't agree more! The DMV is ridiculously loaded in the 17, 18 & 19 classes. I'm also inclined to believe that Coach Waheed has made some contacts in his year at Hofstra in the Tri State area which is also heavy loaded with talent in the next 3 classes especially in Jersey. If you include his time at BC, he should have relationships in New England with NEPSAC schools which always has talent. Those should be the 3 primary recruiting areas of focus of the staffs for the next 3 classes. If the staff targets those areas, and if PE Jr becomes the last assistant, he can focus on his old stomping ground of Georgia and legacies, there's plenty of talent in those areas that will keep the team battling for BE Championships and hopefully deep NCAA runs and Championships. If Coach Waheed has good contacts and relationships like his Bio states and the ability to teach, I think this could be a fantastic hire by JT3 and a great addition to the program. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 1:21:39 GMT -5
Personally It doesn't matter much to me cause IMO we need another Broadus not another Hardy, Sutton, or Hunter. The talent in the DMV is ridiculous now so hopefully his DMV and NE connections play well at Georgetown. We need to get our fair share of the next few classes here, rather than playing around in Chicago or Florida were we've had little success last 3 years. Couldn't agree more! The DMV is ridiculously loaded in the 17, 18 & 19 classes. I'm also inclined to believe that Coach Waheed has made some contacts in his year at Hofstra in the Tri State area which is also heavy loaded with talent in the next 3 classes especially in Jersey. If you include his time at BC, he should have relationships in New England with NEPSAC schools which always has talent. Those should be the 3 primary recruiting areas of focus of the staffs for the next 3 classes. If the staff targets those areas, and if PE Jr becomes the last assistant, he can focus on his old stomping ground of Georgia and legacies, there's plenty of talent in those areas that will keep the team battling for BE Championships and hopefully deep NCAA runs and Championships. If Coach Waheed has good contacts and relationships like his Bio states and the ability to teach, I think this could be a fantastic hire by JT3 and a great addition to the program. A bit about that.... According to the Hofstra board and Gustys himself Coach Waheed had a lot to do with his development Gustys averaged 5 and 5 boards in 16 minutes and 3 fouls per contest. Soph season those averages jumped to 13 and 13 while keeping his foul number at close to 3 a game. He also got stronger as the year went on. After xmas he had 6 games with 20 rebounds or more. We're talking about numbers like 18 and 23, 23 and 15, and 23 and 19 for example espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/3129953/rokas-gustysSaw Gustys quite a bit when he played at Oak Hill would have had a hard time predicting he would be that productive as a Soph or at anytime in his career tbh... Hopefully he has similar success with Jessie and Brad... |
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Post by EtomicB on May 18, 2016 7:49:41 GMT -5
To me having a bow on something bad makes it a better bad which means the program is better.. It's like you're saying if the team can't be good you'd rather stink, I can't get with that line of thinking.. A golfing partner of mine has a similar line of thinking, to him a double bogey is just as bad as a quadruple bogey on a hole.. He always says they're both terrible scores and I always say you're right but the 6 is less terrible than the 8.. Being Better is always the most desirable spot to be in to me, regardless of how small the degree of better it may be.. I only brought up White & Palmer because you said what he has done at Nebraska wasn't that impressive.. Also to show that Hunter had made enough of an impression on the players while recruiting them for G'town that they were receptive to checking out Nebraska.. Didn't mean to imply he could have gotten them to Gtown if he were still here in anyway.. The performance of the teams are a completely different discussion, I was just talking recruiting.. What I was trying to get across in that last sentence was that JT3 needs to be a better teacher, mentor, guide ect. to his new staff imo.. As I've posted a few times over the past week his track record in developing a solid staff lately hasn't been up to par.. P.S. - To put a bow on Hunter, I think the only reason he's not here is because G'town didn't want to match what Nebraska offered.. If this is the case, then it's really on JT3 to learn how to teach & develop his staff.. You judge recruiting based on performance, no? Personally I don't think that's impressive tbh. Palmer averaged 3ppg at Miami in 2 seasons. I think he's a better than those numbers but if he were coming here I think a lot of people would be ho hum about it. White is good, Glynn Watson played ok as a frosh but I would hope a Big 10 asst could pull those types of kids over a 3 year period. White will never play with Palmer and they only get 2 years out of both. Think he definitely has an opportunity to groom a young assistant like Pejr but the other guys were/are grown men and u need to see results. If I'm not getting it done at my job over a period of time that's usually on me more than my trainer imo. I don't think 3 got these guys because he thought If I coach them up they'll be good recruiters. Think he got them because they were seasoned. Their Bio's said good recruiter on them when hired. However if you're going to say that's on him does 3 get credit for developing Hunter since his only real recruiting experience was at Duquense in the late 90's then? Again it depends on your POV but it's fair to say that if you want and 3 hired them so pass fail is on him anyways. Personally It doesn't matter much to me cause IMO we need another Broadus not another Hardy, Sutton, or Hunter. The talent in the DMV is ridiculous now so hopefully his DMV and NE connections play well at Georgetown. We need to get our fair share of the next few classes here, rather than playing around in Chicago or Florida were we've had little success last 3 years. I judge recruiting on the possibilities or potential of the player or class to be honest.. It doesn't make sense to me to review whether a class or a kid was a good get based on how they or the team performs during a given season.. How they do on the court is different from whether or not they were good gets by the staff imo.. The 2014 class is still a very good class in my view, of course I'd like them to play better but if the staff can get something along a similar potential level for 2018 I'd be very happy.. I'd bet my house most folks on the board would agree with that.. Posters on the board were happy that Broadus pulled Akoy right? What were his #'s @ L'ville? They like Akoy based on the potential he showed in HS.. I believe that recruiting should be judged in the present not the future.. We can agree to disagree on Hunter Yaboy.. It does surprise me that you're not willing to give him even the slightest credit though.. I'm with you in wanting all A+ recruiters on the staff, I hope that's where the program is headed.. |
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Post by rockhoya on May 18, 2016 9:08:06 GMT -5
To the degree Waheed can help on defense, you cannot underrate that aspect either. Last year, we were 345 in foul rate (meaning we were 345 of 351 in sending opponents to the line). Hofstra, where Waheed coached was 2. Now, I have no idea if Waheed was responsible for that in part, but our fouling truly was at crisis proportions last year (and I don't say that with hyperbole in mind; it truly was one of the biggest factors in our not being an NCAA quality team last year). If he can help to fix that problem, that alone is worth a huge amount. But, I agree his most important task is recruiting. Briefly looking at some articles it seems like the reason they didn't foul is because they didn't play any defense (162 of 351 defense efficiency) and relied on a five man rotation. On the plus side it says they had an uptempo high scoring offense to offset the bad defense theodorenewsletter.com/2016/04/01/on-hofstras-2015-16-mens-basketball-a-summary-analysis/Not sure that explains their fouling rate....a 5 man rotation would be more conducive to fouling, in theory. The fact that they could use a 5 man rotation is testament to the fact that they don't foul above all else |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 10:09:21 GMT -5
You judge recruiting based on performance, no? Personally I don't think that's impressive tbh. Palmer averaged 3ppg at Miami in 2 seasons. I think he's a better than those numbers but if he were coming here I think a lot of people would be ho hum about it. White is good, Glynn Watson played ok as a frosh but I would hope a Big 10 asst could pull those types of kids over a 3 year period. White will never play with Palmer and they only get 2 years out of both. Think he definitely has an opportunity to groom a young assistant like Pejr but the other guys were/are grown men and u need to see results. If I'm not getting it done at my job over a period of time that's usually on me more than my trainer imo. I don't think 3 got these guys because he thought If I coach them up they'll be good recruiters. Think he got them because they were seasoned. Their Bio's said good recruiter on them when hired. However if you're going to say that's on him does 3 get credit for developing Hunter since his only real recruiting experience was at Duquense in the late 90's then? Again it depends on your POV but it's fair to say that if you want and 3 hired them so pass fail is on him anyways. Personally It doesn't matter much to me cause IMO we need another Broadus not another Hardy, Sutton, or Hunter. The talent in the DMV is ridiculous now so hopefully his DMV and NE connections play well at Georgetown. We need to get our fair share of the next few classes here, rather than playing around in Chicago or Florida were we've had little success last 3 years. I judge recruiting on the possibilities or potential of the player or class to be honest.. It doesn't make sense to me to review whether a class or a kid was a good get based on how they or the team performs during a given season.. How they do on the court is different from whether or not they were good gets by the staff imo.. The 2014 class is still a very good class in my view, of course I'd like them to play better but if the staff can get something along a similar potential level for 2018 I'd be very happy.. I'd bet my house most folks on the board would agree with that.. Posters on the board were happy that Broadus pulled Akoy right? What were his #'s @ L'ville? They like Akoy based on the potential he showed in HS.. I believe that recruiting should be judged in the present not the future.. We can agree to disagree on Hunter Yaboy.. It does surprise me that you're not willing to give him even the slightest credit though.. I'm with you in wanting all A+ recruiters on the staff, I hope that's where the program is headed.. Is the 2014 class better than Jeff's class? On paper it was Yeah I mean I base mine on potential before they get to campus but once they're playing and you have real data the analysis is based on what their doing now not the number next to them on their HS profile. We're a college team so what a kid potentially be in a couple years may or may not be relevant to us... I would describe the reaction to Agau as 100% Ho Hum. We've seen many posts bringing up the fact he couldn't get off the court at Ville and doubting the add. People posted things like "If we're getting Pitinos throw aways we're in trouble etc. Those comments exist, that's what I was referring to. I gave him credit. I also said while that's cool it's not good enough imo. |
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Post by EtomicB on May 19, 2016 8:16:45 GMT -5
To me having a bow on something bad makes it a better bad which means the program is better.. It's like you're saying if the team can't be good you'd rather stink, I can't get with that line of thinking.. A golfing partner of mine has a similar line of thinking, to him a double bogey is just as bad as a quadruple bogey on a hole.. He always says they're both terrible scores and I always say you're right but the 6 is less terrible than the 8.. Being Better is always the most desirable spot to be in to me, regardless of how small the degree of better it may be.. I only brought up White & Palmer because you said what he has done at Nebraska wasn't that impressive.. Also to show that Hunter had made enough of an impression on the players while recruiting them for G'town that they were receptive to checking out Nebraska.. Didn't mean to imply he could have gotten them to Gtown if he were still here in anyway.. The performance of the teams are a completely different discussion, I was just talking recruiting.. What I was trying to get across in that last sentence was that JT3 needs to be a better teacher, mentor, guide ect. to his new staff imo.. As I've posted a few times over the past week his track record in developing a solid staff lately hasn't been up to par.. P.S. - To put a bow on Hunter, I think the only reason he's not here is because G'town didn't want to match what Nebraska offered.. If this is the case, then it's really on JT3 to learn how to teach & develop his staff.. You judge recruiting based on performance, no? Personally I don't think that's impressive tbh. Palmer averaged 3ppg at Miami in 2 seasons. I think he's a better than those numbers but if he were coming here I think a lot of people would be ho hum about it. White is good, Glynn Watson played ok as a frosh but I would hope a Big 10 asst could pull those types of kids over a 3 year period. White will never play with Palmer and they only get 2 years out of both. Think he definitely has an opportunity to groom a young assistant like Pejr but the other guys were/are grown men and u need to see results. If I'm not getting it done at my job over a period of time that's usually on me more than my trainer imo. I don't think 3 got these guys because he thought If I coach them up they'll be good recruiters. Think he got them because they were seasoned. Their Bio's said good recruiter on them when hired. However if you're going to say that's on him does 3 get credit for developing Hunter since his only real recruiting experience was at Duquense in the late 90's then? Again it depends on your POV but it's fair to say that if you want and 3 hired them so pass fail is on him anyways. Personally It doesn't matter much to me cause IMO we need another Broadus not another Hardy, Sutton, or Hunter. The talent in the DMV is ridiculous now so hopefully his DMV and NE connections play well at Georgetown. We need to get our fair share of the next few classes here, rather than playing around in Chicago or Florida were we've had little success last 3 years. My bad Yaboy I meant to respond to this part of your post yesterday but got caught up.. Even if the AC's are seasoned grown men the guy in charge has to set the expectations for how he wants things done.. To me that means he needs to coach them up in that regard.. This goes for coaching as well.. Hardy & Sutton never flourished here in any fashion, that has to be largely on the HC.. I have no problems giving JT3 full credit for Hunter's development.. As I've made clear, I think he was railroaded by many on the board.. I'm with you about recruiting the DMV but to be fair it wasn't Hardy or Sutton recruiting in SC or Cali or in Tennessee right now.. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 10:38:43 GMT -5
You judge recruiting based on performance, no? Personally I don't think that's impressive tbh. Palmer averaged 3ppg at Miami in 2 seasons. I think he's a better than those numbers but if he were coming here I think a lot of people would be ho hum about it. White is good, Glynn Watson played ok as a frosh but I would hope a Big 10 asst could pull those types of kids over a 3 year period. White will never play with Palmer and they only get 2 years out of both. Think he definitely has an opportunity to groom a young assistant like Pejr but the other guys were/are grown men and u need to see results. If I'm not getting it done at my job over a period of time that's usually on me more than my trainer imo. I don't think 3 got these guys because he thought If I coach them up they'll be good recruiters. Think he got them because they were seasoned. Their Bio's said good recruiter on them when hired. However if you're going to say that's on him does 3 get credit for developing Hunter since his only real recruiting experience was at Duquense in the late 90's then? Again it depends on your POV but it's fair to say that if you want and 3 hired them so pass fail is on him anyways. Personally It doesn't matter much to me cause IMO we need another Broadus not another Hardy, Sutton, or Hunter. The talent in the DMV is ridiculous now so hopefully his DMV and NE connections play well at Georgetown. We need to get our fair share of the next few classes here, rather than playing around in Chicago or Florida were we've had little success last 3 years. My bad Yaboy I meant to respond to this part of your post yesterday but got caught up.. Even if the AC's are seasoned grown men the guy in charge has to set the expectations for how he wants things done.. To me that means he needs to coach them up in that regard.. This goes for coaching as well.. Hardy & Sutton never flourished here in any fashion, that has to be largely on the HC.. I have no problems giving JT3 full credit for Hunter's development.. As I've made clear, I think he was railroaded by many on the board.. I'm with you about recruiting the DMV but to be fair it wasn't Hardy or Sutton recruiting in SC or Cali or in Tennessee right now.. You make good points as usual E but IMO hard to determine those things without inside knowledge. They could have been coached up and just weren't effective. Either way as I said before 3 hired them so ultimately it's on him When Broadus goes into those areas he's branching out, when Hardy does he's going home. There's a big difference between recruiting a player here and there vs considering a recruiting area home base Like Hardy with Chicago. I'm not saying don't recruit out of area I just said they need to make in area more of a priority.. Too many talented kids coming in the next 3 classes not 2 imo.... |
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Post by hoyaboya on May 20, 2016 12:51:20 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on May 20, 2016 13:05:21 GMT -5
Some more on the Waheed - Gonzaga connection... “They teach you to be men for others at Gonzaga. That’s their saying,” Waheed said. “On and off the court, they teach you how to handle your business. “Coach Meyers was very stern. He always wanted you to do your best. That’s one of the things that he instilled in all of his players. To go out and give 110 percent. He wouldn’t accept anything less.” There’s some irony to how Gonzaga players have flourished at Niagara. “We ran a play literally every time down the court,” Waheed said. “It was the Princeton offense. We were happy if the score was 32-31.” www.niagara-gazette.com/sports/men-s-basketball-the-purple-eagles-pipeline/article_1e0c734e-77dd-51c6-aaf8-60952ed2dc5f.html |
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Post by calhoya on May 20, 2016 17:02:00 GMT -5
Some more on the Waheed - Gonzaga connection... “They teach you to be men for others at Gonzaga. That’s their saying,” Waheed said. “On and off the court, they teach you how to handle your business. “Coach Meyers was very stern. He always wanted you to do your best. That’s one of the things that he instilled in all of his players. To go out and give 110 percent. He wouldn’t accept anything less.” There’s some irony to how Gonzaga players have flourished at Niagara. “ We ran a play literally every time down the court,” Waheed said. “It was the Princeton offense. We were happy if the score was 32-31.”
www.niagara-gazette.com/sports/men-s-basketball-the-purple-eagles-pipeline/article_1e0c734e-77dd-51c6-aaf8-60952ed2dc5f.htmlInteresting but not surprising that JT III chose a coach with knowledge of the Princeton system. I am going to go home and start drinking to forget that I read this.  |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 20, 2016 17:59:10 GMT -5
A word of advice calhoya: I have been drinking to forget since March 10.
It doesn't work.
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