Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jan 29, 2016 23:46:30 GMT -5
I'm not sure if anyone on here caught the Iowa @ Maryland game last night. The reason I bring it up is because Tom Eades happen to be one of the referees and once again made some awful calls on both teams. The Twerps crowd and color analyst Dan Dakich went off on the calls. Now the calls last night @ Maryland weren't as bad and weren't as many as the calls against the Hoyas on Tuesday but they were pretty awful. It seems like Tom Eades is struggling with the speed of the game and is either anticipating calls or is reacting after the play to what he assumes happened because he missed the play all together. It might be time for the NCAA to track Eades refereeing performance and if he's continuing to struggle mightily as he has this week, it maybe time for him to hang up his whistle before he cost a team a conference tournament championship or NCAA tournament game. You're mixing up two guys. There's a Tom Eades and a Mike Eades. Mike is the one who worked our game on Tuesday. Tom also occasionally works Big East games though. Your right! I just saw the last name as I was watching the Twerps game. Are the two Eades, Mike and Tom related. Some online reports say they are father (Tom) and son (Mike) and some reports say otherwise. Anyone know for sure? |
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seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Jan 30, 2016 7:15:44 GMT -5
It's crystal clear who's running the program. I think the perception problem in this instance is yours. Just so I'm clear, who would that be? Coach Thompson |
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 30, 2016 8:30:02 GMT -5
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Post by GUMBA on Jan 30, 2016 12:53:17 GMT -5
Rewatched the gave on TiVo yesterday and it is clear that the Creighton players are coached to exaggerate pushes to try and get calls. They look like the old Duke teams where every drive they tried to draw a charge by falling backwards. The refs bit hook line and sinker in this game. I just hate that kind of acting/coaching. Play the game and win like men. I hope they get a reputation for that kind of play and the refs look for it in future games.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2016 13:49:47 GMT -5
Rewatched the gave on TiVo yesterday and it is clear that the Creighton players are coached to exaggerate pushes to try and get calls. They look like the old Duke teams where every drive they tried to draw a charge by falling backwards. The refs bit hook line and sinker in this game. I just hate that kind of acting/coaching. Play the game and win like men. I hope they get a reputation for that kind of play and the refs look for it in future games. Duke has a reputation for that kind of play and the refs do look for it - they just give Duke the calls because they invented it. Unfortunately, flopping is the name of the game in college hoops. Drawing a charge is lauded as a "great defensive play". In reality, the moment that you decide to try to draw a charge, you have decided to stop playing actual defense and just let someone run into you (and often, flopping as if you have been shot). And if you sell it well, you get the call. |
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Post by detmut on Jan 30, 2016 21:28:17 GMT -5
That's BS. I don't know if Pops is still contractually owed payments by the university, but that doesn't make him an employee, and he isn't Georgetown. Then what was he doing in the press room after the game? It's not like just anybody can be in there sitting where JT2 was. The game was poorly officiated but JT2 was out of line. I'd be embarrassed if I was JT3. i'd be embarrassed if i were you |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 0:25:38 GMT -5
Provi shot a lot more FT's tonight than us but I thought the game was well officiated overall..
Only time I screamed at my TV was that No-call on Marcus in the lane when he got bumped.. Haha
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Eurostar
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Post by Eurostar on Jan 31, 2016 10:52:09 GMT -5
Another game of +10 fouls and -20 free throw attempts for the Hoyas.
No games in CBB are "well officiated" in my view, but this one was a fairly even distribution of appropriate and inappropriate calls. There were a few times we got hacked down low down the stretch on drives and weren't getting calls. But there were definitely several where the refs held their whistles when we were on the defensive end.
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Post by mapei on Jan 31, 2016 18:25:17 GMT -5
Another game of +10 fouls and -20 free throw attempts for the Hoyas. No games in CBB are "well officiated" in my view, but this one was a fairly even distribution of appropriate and inappropriate calls. There were a few times we got hacked down low down the stretch on drives and weren't getting calls. But there were definitely several where the refs held their whistles when we were on the defensive end. Totally agree. Our fouling is a major problem, and it's on us to fix it if we can. |
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Feb 1, 2016 11:16:21 GMT -5
Rewatched the gave on TiVo yesterday and it is clear that the Creighton players are coached to exaggerate pushes to try and get calls. They look like the old Duke teams where every drive they tried to draw a charge by falling backwards. The refs bit hook line and sinker in this game. I just hate that kind of acting/coaching. Play the game and win like men. I hope they get a reputation for that kind of play and the refs look for it in future games. It's been shifted to the NBA as well. Also notice how any said player driving towards the lane, and he will start to yell to get a call from the ref (in both college and in the pros). |
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seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Feb 1, 2016 11:52:57 GMT -5
One area I wish officiating would improve is undercutting. Seems like some teams, Creighton comes to mind, are coached to lead with their hips, resulting in low body contact that can disrupt a cutter or shooters balance without looking like much contact. It also sets the defender up to throw his hips back and exaggerate the contact and draw the offensive foul by falling on his tuchus. This is the cheapest and most dangerous defense in cases where guys are going up strong and is going to result in somebody getting severely undercut and hurt soon. But the refs still won't have caught on that vertical space can be invaded at 4 ft just like it can at 8 or 9 feet.
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CTHoya08
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Post by CTHoya08 on Feb 1, 2016 12:19:51 GMT -5
Rewatched the gave on TiVo yesterday and it is clear that the Creighton players are coached to exaggerate pushes to try and get calls. They look like the old Duke teams where every drive they tried to draw a charge by falling backwards. The refs bit hook line and sinker in this game. I just hate that kind of acting/coaching. Play the game and win like men. I hope they get a reputation for that kind of play and the refs look for it in future games. Duke has a reputation for that kind of play and the refs do look for it - they just give Duke the calls because they invented it. Unfortunately, flopping is the name of the game in college hoops. Drawing a charge is lauded as a "great defensive play".
In reality, the moment that you decide to try to draw a charge, you have decided to stop playing actual defense and just let someone run into you (and often, flopping as if you have been shot). And if you sell it well, you get the call. This has always been one of my least favorite aspects of basketball as a sport. |
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 1, 2016 12:32:28 GMT -5
Duke has a reputation for that kind of play and the refs do look for it - they just give Duke the calls because they invented it. Unfortunately, flopping is the name of the game in college hoops. Drawing a charge is lauded as a "great defensive play".
In reality, the moment that you decide to try to draw a charge, you have decided to stop playing actual defense and just let someone run into you (and often, flopping as if you have been shot). And if you sell it well, you get the call. This has always been one of my least favorite aspects of basketball as a sport. Agreed. The absolute worst in my view is the one where someone drives the lane (usually on a fast break) dishes out to someone else but keeps moving forward and runs a defensive player over. A charge call there rewards absolutely nothing positive by the defense and the foul has no impact on the play. One of the major problems with the offensive charge rule (or, more precisely how it is always enforced) is that you NEVER get the call unless you flop. Just as one example, think about how many times a post player backs someone down or spins into someone. If he does that and "creates space" (that is, the defensive player is jolted backward a bit) and then the offensive player shoots, the analysts will all sing the offensive player's praises. But if the defensive player just falls down, he often gets the call. And it's the exact same play. Really, if you're going to have that rule, there should be a LOT more charges called -- whenever an offensive player initiates contact with a defensive player that is in position. Indeed, on the opposite end of the spectrum, I almost equally hate the fact that a player can throw himself into a defensive player and get a foul called simply because the defensive player isn't square to him with his hands straight up. To me, if the offensive player is intending to create contact, he simply shouldn't get the benefit of a foul call. In my view, we shouldn't reward someone who is simply trying to get fouled. after all, he already has the distinct advantage of knowing where he's trying to go whereas the defensive player has to react to him. That's enough of an advantage. You see that often when someone penetrates, a big man comes to help (in good position), and the offensive player dishes to someone else right by the basket. The defensive player is in appropriate defensive position to the man who used to have the ball, but he's not anywhere near appropriate position to the man who now has the ball. If the guy now with the ball jumps into the defensive player, he often gets the call -- and there's literally nothing the defender can do. |
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