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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 21:09:58 GMT -5
That would prob be the last emotion I would feel if I was 3... He spoke the truth What business does JT2 have being in that room? Yes, he spoke the truth. If I was JT3, I'd prefer to be the voice of the program, not my dad who last coached almost 20 years ago. Well that's his and 3's business, is it not? What business is it of yours or mine what room he sits in? He said what every Hoya fan watching that crapfest was thinking and I could care less if the league has hurt feelings about it.. If I was 3 I would say thx pops for saying it so I didn't have to... |
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Post by Eurostar on Jan 28, 2016 21:18:14 GMT -5
Do people think we may be getting more fouls called us because we have accrued a "reputation" for fouling a lot as this season has gone on. I'm assuming that refs "scout" teams they are officiating and know that we out foul our opponents in almost every game.
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Post by seaweed on Jan 28, 2016 21:48:51 GMT -5
That would prob be the last emotion I would feel if I was 3... He spoke the truth What business does JT2 have being in that room? Yes, he spoke the truth. If I was JT3, I'd prefer to be the voice of the program, not my dad who last coached almost 20 years ago. A few years ago, Pops was named Coach Emeritus, a title which I doubt was ever rescinded. The belief that he lacks authority to speak his mind in that or any other room is as ill advised as the expectation that he won't. edit: see, I found it on the web www.blackpast.org/aah/thompson-jr-john-robert-1941 www.thehoya.com/john-thompson-iii-named-new-head-coach/ |
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Post by hoya95 on Jan 28, 2016 22:00:41 GMT -5
JT Jr. is pretty much like Harry Truman when he was an ex-President. He's going to say whatever he wants, and he's going to swear a lot. There is no point in trying to stop him. I don't mind the commissioner's statement, but she would have been better off either saying nothing or just laughing it off. Plus, the officiating was awful, and truth is always a pretty good defense.
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Post by SaxaCD on Jan 28, 2016 22:27:52 GMT -5
What business does JT2 have being in that room? Yes, he spoke the truth. If I was JT3, I'd prefer to be the voice of the program, not my dad who last coached almost 20 years ago. Well that's his and 3's business, is it not? What business is it of yours or mine what room he sits in? He said what every Hoya fan watching that crapfest was thinking and I could care less if the league has hurt feelings about it.. If I was 3 I would say thx pops for saying it so I didn't have to... This exactly! JT3 insinuated it (lobbed the pass toward the rim), JT Jr said it (rose up, dunked it hard and knocked his man over),and then JT3 finessed it (extended his hand to help the crushed player back to his feet). Awesome, in my view. |
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Post by FLHoya on Jan 28, 2016 22:58:11 GMT -5
1. Expected response from the commissioner who, in backing those officials, revealed she isn't actually watching the games. I wrote earlier that I didn't expect the conference to say anything publicly about this specific game. Well, they did comment publicly, but in the sort of way that's more of a closing-the-loop-on-this-issue exercise. You'll note that in fact the statement didn't back "those officials" from Tuesday night--it says the conference is proud of "our officials" more generally and so forth. JT2 has his say about the poor officiating in two games, the conference says "okay, you shouldn't handle it that way, and we're good with the overall quality of our officials". Done and done, we move on. 2. Neither his son nor I am embarrassed by JT2, who continues his lifelong practice of speaking his mind. So here's something fun: two related themes occasionally brought up in the "Should JTIII be on the hot seat" discussions are: (1) Well, he can never be fired anyway, because HIS DAD; and (2) His dad wields a lot of power in the Athletic Dept and that's not really a good thing. Well, so far the reaction to this story is primarily breaking down along: (1) People who think it's totally appropriate and/or awesome that JT2 did this. (2) People who think he overstepped his bounds, of which the majority (so far) at the very least agree with the point he's making and are glad he did it. So good to know we're still cool with Pops.  (My thoughts on what Pops did:  ) 1. Expected response from the commissioner who, in backing those officials, revealed she isn't actually watching the games.3. You can bet your life this has a better chance of producing results than "internal mechanisms and open communications channels in place" and you can double down on the suspension that would have come if JT3 said the same thing at his press conference. Of course there are internal mechanisms to handle the issue, and for all we know JT3 was already planning on doing so when he walked into the press conference. His dad's comments then made it a lead pipe lock John Cahill and JTIII will talk this week. I still wouldn't predict any likely public statement regarding specific actions taken in response to the Creighton game--if anything, the most likely outcome is those three officials will be quietly taken off any scheduled Georgetown games for the rest of the year. There was an interesting anecdote in an SI.com story today about the official John Higgins where the Big 12's Coordination of Officials Curtis Shaw implied that some coaches have asked him whether Higgins works too many games and his performance suffers. Shaw always says "okay, well I'll take him off yours then" and they're all "no, wait, we still want him on OUR games b/c he's experienced, etc." One takeaway is conference coordinators at least appear willing to move officials if there's a compelling reason. The Big East has straight up suspended officials before--it happened to I think Jim Haney and maybe someone else in the mid to late 2000s for screwing something serious up at the end of a WVU game, and Tim Higgins' crew self-suspended themselves from the rest of the BET in I wanna say 2009 for just kinda walking off the court and ignoring a clear traveling violation near the buzzer of a one-possession game. (After Duke lost to Syracuse recently, the big kerfuffle was over Coach K's behavior in the handshake line, but another video circulated to less fanfare of him shortly thereafter of him having a semi-heated conversation with the ACC's Associate Director of Officiating, who was sitting courtside. You should go find it, for no other reason than the ACC guy gives K something akin to the facial reaction version of a wanking gesture. Now, that's not the way to handle things either, but K did go to the source.) |
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Post by tashoya on Jan 28, 2016 23:19:28 GMT -5
If that's not part of the problem, I don't know what is. At least acknowledge that there were some horrendous calls and follow up with the usual "this was an aberration and not the norm" sort of crap that no one that watched the game would buy. Even the opposing team's fans were boggled (yet, mostly appreciative) by the calls. The NCAA should find their stones and call that performance what it was. Atrocious and unacceptable at that level of play. And it's not like it's that one game though, to be fair, it's the worst officiated game I've seen this year. It's an epidemic. And it's hurting the actual competition. If the only call one can make is the wrong call and being out of position to boot, swallow your damn whistle. At least be in position to call the foul you're calling. If you're not, everyone in the building knows you don't know what happened and are just reacting to what the players actions made it look like happened. Duke should put that ref crew on its personal payroll and that whole not being ranked thing would disappear in a hurry. |
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Post by tashoya on Jan 28, 2016 23:24:22 GMT -5
That's BS. I don't know if Pops is still contractually owed payments by the university, but that doesn't make him an employee, and he isn't Georgetown. Then what was he doing in the press room after the game? It's not like just anybody can be in there sitting where JT2 was. The game was poorly officiated but JT2 was out of line. I'd be embarrassed if I was JT3. I couldn't disagree more. What's out of line is officiating like that and coaches not being able to, without fear of retribution, being able to comment on it. The media asks the questions because even they know it hot garbage yet the coaches aren't allowed to answer because they'll get in trouble. Someone should call a steaming pile of crap a steaming pile of crap. If our coach can't do it, I'm glad that a retired, Hall of Fame, legendary coach can. The problem wasn't Big John's comments. It was the officiating. If he's disallowed from the room, I'd hope that he'd address it in any of the many media outlets available to him. In fact, if anything, I'd hope he'd take it a step further and make similar comments about games not including Georgetown. There are plenty of them about which to gripe. |
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Post by eagle54 on Jan 28, 2016 23:37:36 GMT -5
Then what was he doing in the press room after the game? It's not like just anybody can be in there sitting where JT2 was. The game was poorly officiated but JT2 was out of line. I'd be embarrassed if I was JT3. I couldn't disagree more. What's out of line is officiating like that and coaches not being able to, without fear of retribution, being able to comment on it. The media asks the questions because even they know it hot garbage yet the coaches aren't allowed to answer because they'll get in trouble. Someone should call a steaming pile of crap a steaming pile of crap. If our coach can't do it, I'm glad that a retired, Hall of Fame, legendary coach can. The problem wasn't Big John's comments. It was the officiating. If he's disallowed from the room, I'd hope that he'd address it in any of the many media outlets available to him. In fact, if anything, I'd hope he'd take it a step further and make similar comments about games not including Georgetown. There are plenty of them about which to gripe. Agree on the officiating that was absolute garbage but don't disagree that JTIII should be in there handling his own press conferences. This is now his show and that is his responsibility. He does a fine job with it as he's thoughtful and level headed in those situations. Having his father around all of the time is great as a supporter at games and legend of the program but he doesn't need to be in a press conference in that setting. Makes the program look a bit Busch league. |
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Post by tashoya on Jan 28, 2016 23:43:56 GMT -5
I couldn't disagree more. What's out of line is officiating like that and coaches not being able to, without fear of retribution, being able to comment on it. The media asks the questions because even they know it hot garbage yet the coaches aren't allowed to answer because they'll get in trouble. Someone should call a steaming pile of crap a steaming pile of crap. If our coach can't do it, I'm glad that a retired, Hall of Fame, legendary coach can. The problem wasn't Big John's comments. It was the officiating. If he's disallowed from the room, I'd hope that he'd address it in any of the many media outlets available to him. In fact, if anything, I'd hope he'd take it a step further and make similar comments about games not including Georgetown. There are plenty of them about which to gripe. Agree on the officiating that was absolute garbage but don't disagree that JTIII should be in there handling his own press conferences. This is now his show and that is his responsibility. He does a fine job with it as he's thoughtful and level headed in those situations. Having his father around all of the time is great as a supporter at games and legend of the program but he doesn't need to be in a press conference in that setting. Makes the program look a bit Busch league. Bush league? Bush league is fining coaches for criticizing officiating. That's what happens. JT3 is handcuffed to a degree. His father is not. Not to mention, Big John's opinion still carries more weight than his son's. I don't disagree that it's a bit odd that Big John is present in the way that he is (i.e., media stuff. I'm fine with practice/behind the scenes). But, in this particular case, considering his son would be penalized for saying anything remotely close to what JT2 said, and JT2 was in the room and in attendance at a game with such horrendous officiating, I appreciate that he did say something. Whether he's in the room or not is a separate debate. He was in the room and called a huge FU on it which is what it warranted. |
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Post by eagle54 on Jan 28, 2016 23:52:39 GMT -5
Agree on the officiating that was absolute garbage but don't disagree that JTIII should be in there handling his own press conferences. This is now his show and that is his responsibility. He does a fine job with it as he's thoughtful and level headed in those situations. Having his father around all of the time is great as a supporter at games and legend of the program but he doesn't need to be in a press conference in that setting. Makes the program look a bit Busch league. Bush league? Bush league is fining coaches for criticizing officiating. That's what happens. JT3 is handcuffed to a degree. His father is not. Not to mention, Big John's opinion still carries more weight than his son's. I don't disagree that it's a bit odd that Big John is present in the way that he is (i.e., media stuff. I'm fine with practice/behind the scenes). But, in this particular case, considering his son would be penalized for saying anything remotely close to what JT2 said, and JT2 was in the room and in attendance at a game with such horrendous officiating, I appreciate that he did say something. Whether he's in the room or not is a separate debate. He was in the room and called a huge FU on it which is what it warranted. I'm good with what he said as it was all true but just makes things appear that someone else is calling shots and pulling the strings for our current coach. I think for perception let III stand on his own to be in control, running the show and demonstrate he can handle everything which I think he's more than capable of. |
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Post by tashoya on Jan 29, 2016 0:00:06 GMT -5
My only point of emphasis is that everyone else is fair game. Coaches/media/18 year old kids performances and decisions are fair topics to discuss in that forum but the performance of the officials is not and it can carry a fine if it is rationally discussed? I'm not condoning taking shots for no reason. But when it's glaring like that, a coach should be able to answer honestly and they can't. The media knows that but they ask the questions anyway knowing they won't get a genuine answer. It seems pretty stupid and unreasonable to me. Add to it that the NCAA will respond with nothing but support for their officials and won't acknowledge that they had an "off" night or made some beyond questionable calls. If the governing body won't acknowledge it and the coaches can't say anything, how does it improve? Reminds me of the old Eddie Murphy bit from Raw. "Wasn't me."
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Post by eagle54 on Jan 29, 2016 0:05:13 GMT -5
My only point of emphasis is that everyone else is fair game. Coaches/media/18 year old kids performances and decisions are fair topics to discuss in that forum but the performance of the officials is not and it can carry a fine if it is rationally discussed? I'm not condoning taking shots for no reason. But when it's glaring like that, a coach should be able to answer honestly and they can't. The media knows that but they ask the questions anyway knowing they won't get a genuine answer. It seems pretty stupid and unreasonable to me. Add to it that the NCAA will respond with nothing but support for their officials and won't acknowledge that they had an "off" night or made some beyond questionable calls. If the governing body won't acknowledge it and the coaches can't say anything, how does it improve? Reminds me of the old Eddie Murphy bit from Raw. "Wasn't me." Maybe the NCAA could compromise and let each coach bring a relative to the presser to sit nearby and speak to those types of questions so everyone is on a level playing field . |
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Post by tashoya on Jan 29, 2016 0:05:25 GMT -5
Bush league? Bush league is fining coaches for criticizing officiating. That's what happens. JT3 is handcuffed to a degree. His father is not. Not to mention, Big John's opinion still carries more weight than his son's. I don't disagree that it's a bit odd that Big John is present in the way that he is (i.e., media stuff. I'm fine with practice/behind the scenes). But, in this particular case, considering his son would be penalized for saying anything remotely close to what JT2 said, and JT2 was in the room and in attendance at a game with such horrendous officiating, I appreciate that he did say something. Whether he's in the room or not is a separate debate. He was in the room and called a huge FU on it which is what it warranted. I'm good with what he said as it was all true but just makes things appear that someone else is calling shots and pulling the strings for our current coach. I think for perception let III stand on his own to be in control, running the show and demonstrate he can handle everything which I think he's more than capable of. I get what you're saying and, while I understand it, I don't much care about perception. I don't think Big John is in control of much in regard to the program but, if anything, his presence probably helps us on the whole because of his stature. Knowing that JT3 can't rip an officiating crew in a presser without consequences but his dad can, I'm fine with his dad doing it. I guess I'm more on the other end of the spectrum. I don't think he's all that involved in the coaching/running of the team so I don't see it as such a big deal. You're probably correct with regard to the outsider's perception meaning those that don't follow Georgetown basketball all that closely. It's, admittedly, a double-edged sword but, in my mind, a net positive. And, regardless of who made the comment, I'm glad someone did because JT3 can't be that blunt or that honest as it would only hurt his team down the line. |
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Post by tashoya on Jan 29, 2016 0:07:12 GMT -5
My only point of emphasis is that everyone else is fair game. Coaches/media/18 year old kids performances and decisions are fair topics to discuss in that forum but the performance of the officials is not and it can carry a fine if it is rationally discussed? I'm not condoning taking shots for no reason. But when it's glaring like that, a coach should be able to answer honestly and they can't. The media knows that but they ask the questions anyway knowing they won't get a genuine answer. It seems pretty stupid and unreasonable to me. Add to it that the NCAA will respond with nothing but support for their officials and won't acknowledge that they had an "off" night or made some beyond questionable calls. If the governing body won't acknowledge it and the coaches can't say anything, how does it improve? Reminds me of the old Eddie Murphy bit from Raw. "Wasn't me." Maybe the NCAA could compromise and let each coach bring a relative to the presser to sit nearby and speak to those types of questions so everyone is on a level playing field . I'm all for it as long as the relative is a Hall of Fame coach that played in the NBA, won a national championship, and was a culturally impactful figure. That list is pretty exclusive. I think it has one name on it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 0:46:19 GMT -5
Bush league? Bush league is fining coaches for criticizing officiating. That's what happens. JT3 is handcuffed to a degree. His father is not. Not to mention, Big John's opinion still carries more weight than his son's. I don't disagree that it's a bit odd that Big John is present in the way that he is (i.e., media stuff. I'm fine with practice/behind the scenes). But, in this particular case, considering his son would be penalized for saying anything remotely close to what JT2 said, and JT2 was in the room and in attendance at a game with such horrendous officiating, I appreciate that he did say something. Whether he's in the room or not is a separate debate. He was in the room and called a huge FU on it which is what it warranted. I'm good with what he said as it was all true but just makes things appear that someone else is calling shots and pulling the strings for our current coach. I think for perception let III stand on his own to be in control, running the show and demonstrate he can handle everything which I think he's more than capable of. No it does not. Pops being pops every once in a blue moon doesn't make it look like he's calling the shots.. Not when 99.9% of all press conferences and interviews is 3 and 3 alone.. Cmon now People know who the head coach is... |
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Post by eagle54 on Jan 29, 2016 1:02:59 GMT -5
I'm good with what he said as it was all true but just makes things appear that someone else is calling shots and pulling the strings for our current coach. I think for perception let III stand on his own to be in control, running the show and demonstrate he can handle everything which I think he's more than capable of. No it does not. Pops being pops every once in a blue moon doesn't make it look like he's calling the shots.. Not when 99.9% of all press conferences and interviews is 3 and 3 alone.. Cmon now People know who the head coach is... It's not what Mr. Platinum Poster on this board thinks it's the perception to everyone else. Start thinking bigger and maybe you'll understand. |
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Post by kchoya on Jan 29, 2016 1:03:33 GMT -5
That's BS. I don't know if Pops is still contractually owed payments by the university, but that doesn't make him an employee, and he isn't Georgetown. Then what was he doing in the press room after the game? It's not like just anybody can be in there sitting where JT2 was. The game was poorly officiated but JT2 was out of line. I'd be embarrassed if I was JT3. GU controls who can be in that room. If they want to allow be in there, they can. There's no universal law as to who can and cannot be in a press room. Clearly you're not familiar with JT2 and his history with the program. |
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Post by kchoya on Jan 29, 2016 1:09:04 GMT -5
No it does not. Pops being pops every once in a blue moon doesn't make it look like he's calling the shots.. Not when 99.9% of all press conferences and interviews is 3 and 3 alone.. Cmon now People know who the head coach is... It's not what Mr. Platinum Poster on this board thinks it's the perception to everyone else. Start thinking bigger and maybe you'll understand. Oooo, what a sick burn. Calling him a Platinum Poster. Good one! |
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Post by eagle54 on Jan 29, 2016 1:12:14 GMT -5
Then what was he doing in the press room after the game? It's not like just anybody can be in there sitting where JT2 was. The game was poorly officiated but JT2 was out of line. I'd be embarrassed if I was JT3. GU controls who can be in that room. If they want to allow be in there, they can. There's no universal law as to who can and cannot be in a press room. Clearly you're not familiar with JT2 and his history with the program. That's not the point. Do you bring your dad to work to tell your bosses and co-workers what is wrong with everything you are dealing with. It's a perception issue and has nothing to do with him being allowed in the room. It's more about letting go and making sure the perception is who's clearly running the program. |
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