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Post by sleepy on Jan 29, 2016 10:23:39 GMT -5
Agree Cambridge
Is it too late to cancel denim night and replace it with Zebra night. Maybe a creative fan might come out with a denim refs attire. a winner in my book. Better yet Big John could unveil a refs sweater like in the sweater game.
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Post by seaweed on Jan 29, 2016 10:48:50 GMT -5
As someone who will be in the gym tomorrow night, I hope they let them play.
Pops, III and Val Ackerman handled this as well as I would like. The criticism was warranted, in response to a direct question on the subject and uttered in a (suitably profane) way that insulates the team and university from direct consequences. Indirect consequences will probably be that the refs are monitored a little more closely, lessons are learned from watching some tape and the team gets treated more fairly. When Pops says something, most "basketball people" respect it and realize that it comes from one of the most knowledgeable hoops guys out there. They respect Pops more than some people around here and nobody wants to Edited him off - not cause he is strong and a little scary but because he has consistently been on the right side of how to play hoops. If Dean Smith had wanted to speak a little truth at a Roy Williams presser, I don't think Tar Heel Nation would have questioned the propriety of doing so. III gave the polished, appropriate answer that he would have, but Pops saved the league the trouble of reading between the lines to see what was really meant. And the Commish could have tried to throw the book at us, either for the calling her the "Editeding commish," which was needlessly disrespectful, or for the substance of the remarks, which was prohibited. But instead, she took the "defuse" option and merely threw some white wash on what she knew was an unacceptable performance by those zebras. As someone pointed out, a nuanced reading makes clear that she was talking about "our" officials more than the ones who actually worked this game.
If the indirect consequences do include some sort of attempt by any refs to retaliate against our kids, it will be so blatantly pitiful. I wouldn't want to be in Pops cross-hairs on that day.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 29, 2016 10:49:01 GMT -5
MOD NOTE: argue all you want, but calling other posters here idiot, moron and d-bag is not allowed (and frankly undermines the points people are trying to make). Yep, starting to sound like the GOP primary debates!  |
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jan 29, 2016 12:30:37 GMT -5
That's BS. I don't know if Pops is still contractually owed payments by the university, but that doesn't make him an employee, and he isn't Georgetown. Part of the deal with Pops was that we would give him a title and associated salary after he retired as coach, as a way of making up for not being able to give him top-line money at the time. So, the last time I saw the University's filing statement with the Department of Education (this is public info) that contains the list of the highest paid University employees, Pops was on there as "Assistant to the President of Georgetown University for Urban Affairs." Assuming that arrangement is still in place, he is indeed a University employee. What business does JT2 have being in that room? Yes, he spoke the truth. If I was JT3, I'd prefer to be the voice of the program, not my dad who last coached almost 20 years ago. When a professor retires and is deemed sufficiently accomplished to receive the honorific of professor emeritus, that comes with certain rights and privileges. That often includes the ability to keep an office, receive access to all campus facilities and databases, etc. etc. As our one and only coach emeritus, it seems wholly in line with that tradition for Pops to have continue receiving access to one of his old offices, the press room. Obviously he wasn't broadcasting this game, but Pops also does have a relationship with Westwood One to call some games, so he is a credentialed member of the press, on occasion. |
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jan 29, 2016 13:19:56 GMT -5
I'm not sure if anyone on here caught the Iowa @ Maryland game last night. The reason I bring it up is because Tom Eades happen to be one of the referees and once again made some awful calls on both teams. The Twerps crowd and color analyst Dan Dakich went off on the calls. Now the calls last night @ Maryland weren't as bad and weren't as many as the calls against the Hoyas on Tuesday but they were pretty awful. It seems like Tom Eades is struggling with the speed of the game and is either anticipating calls or is reacting after the play to what he assumes happened because he missed the play all together. It might be time for the NCAA to track Eades refereeing performance and if he's continuing to struggle mightily as he has this week, it maybe time for him to hang up his whistle before he cost a team a conference tournament championship or NCAA tournament game.
I also think that leagues need transparency when dealing with their referees. When coaches and players loose they have to step up to the mic and answer questions. Professional Leagues and NCAA Conferences should require referees to be publicly responsible for their calls when overtly controversial. Right now it feels as if their is very little repercussion when they blantently blow games. Coaches loose their jobs if they don't win games and in some cases a couple missed call can change an entire season and keep a team out of the professional playoffs or NCAA tournament. Also with transparency you don't get questions on whether this ref is on the take. Trust me if ref wants manipulate a game they could and no one would ever know. They may not manipulate wins and losses because I think they would get caught but under/over and point spread could easily be manipulated. Without complete transparency these questions will always linger in the back of the mind of knowledgeable sports fans.
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 29, 2016 13:24:05 GMT -5
Referees do discuss players and teams before the start of every game and when a player has a reputation of fouling a lot the officials are on alert every time they are involved in a play. What are you basing this statement on, personal knowledge or just a "of course they discuss players before..."? Because it seems to me like the sort of thing that should be discouraged/prohibited. Don't know that there'd be a way to police it, but that almost certainly sets a tone. I can tell you from personal experience that all referees, at high school and college levels, have a brief pre game meeting before each game. They discuss certain things to make sure they are all on the same pages on how they want to work the game. One of the things they always discuss is if any of the referees have had a game that season with one of the teams and if there are certain things the referees should be ready for during the game. Some of that involves the types of defenses the team plays, if one team likes to push the pace of the game and things like that. They also bring up how physical each team, and in some cases certain players, have played in the past. They don't discuss this in order to pre-determine what calls they will make but more to simply be prepared for things that are likely to happen during the game. Unfortunately some times a referee will have a perception in his mind before the game starts that certain players need to be watched closer and that can cause some players to be officiated closer than others. Not saying this is right or wrong, but it happens for every game!!!! |
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 29, 2016 14:27:35 GMT -5
GU controls who can be in that room. If they want to allow be in there, they can. There's no universal law as to who can and cannot be in a press room. Clearly you're not familiar with JT2 and his history with the program. That's not the point. Do you bring your dad to work to tell your bosses and co-workers what is wrong with everything you are dealing with. It's a perception issue and has nothing to do with him being allowed in the room. It's more about letting go and making sure the perception is who's clearly running the program. It's crystal clear who's running the program. I think the perception problem in this instance is yours. |
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 29, 2016 15:10:33 GMT -5
I see Big John's interjection as a terrific strategy that III probably wanted. III wanted to say exactly what Big John said, but he cannot without serious repercussionss so Pops says it instead. The point is made publically which forces the conference to listen to the complaint. Otherwise, III says the politically correct stuff, no one cares, nothing changes and everyone moves on.
Now, we know the commissioner and others will be watching the refs much more closely which is a positive. If they just do their job correctly, whether it affects the Hoyas good or bad, everyone should be happy. I just want to hear a fair, consistent whistle from the refs. Besides, any bias that might take place will be for the Hoyas, we are at home and no way we remain quiet if the calls go against us, yet again.
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Post by FLHoya on Jan 29, 2016 16:15:24 GMT -5
I'm not sure if anyone on here caught the Iowa @ Maryland game last night. The reason I bring it up is because Tom Eades happen to be one of the referees and once again made some awful calls on both teams. The Twerps crowd and color analyst Dan Dakich went off on the calls. Now the calls last night @ Maryland weren't as bad and weren't as many as the calls against the Hoyas on Tuesday but they were pretty awful. It seems like Tom Eades is struggling with the speed of the game and is either anticipating calls or is reacting after the play to what he assumes happened because he missed the play all together. It might be time for the NCAA to track Eades refereeing performance and if he's continuing to struggle mightily as he has this week, it maybe time for him to hang up his whistle before he cost a team a conference tournament championship or NCAA tournament game. You're mixing up two guys. There's a Tom Eades and a Mike Eades. Mike is the one who worked our game on Tuesday. Tom also occasionally works Big East games though. |
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Post by This Just In on Jan 29, 2016 16:48:10 GMT -5
If we are not there yet, I think we are pretty close to being able to go bot-controlled on this site. Just get some standard language critical of the coach that can be randomly attributed to one of several posters whenever there is the slightest opening and have the bot do the posting. Start with some of the key phrases -- perhaps, "failure to take time-outs," "no adjustments," and a few others. Looks like we can add "embarrassingly defers to his dad" to the list. SMH. Of course the bot would come with standard apologetic/defensive language of the coach that could be attributed to one of several posters to be posted whenever the above critical language is posted. Start with some key phrases -- perhaps, "he's not going anywhere anytime soon", "you don't know basketball if you only care about March success", "we cannot get a better coach for $3,000,000", "yeah, who would like to coach at Georgetown?!," and a few others. Looks like we can add "It's O.K. if Dad sitting in the crowd interrupts Son at press conference." 1. I wonder...I wonder what jokes would be in a thread on this board if Jim Boeheim's dad or another coach's dad made those post game comments after a game vs. Gtown, that their team still won anyway 2. The refs and JTII have now become the main story, instead of the come from behind win 3. The refs officiating on Saturday will be under a microscope, not only them but the reactions of JTII & JTIII will be too 4. Expect to see many camera shots of JTII whenever there is a call that goes against the Hoyas on Saturday 5. This game is a must and Providence is a good team, hopefully posters will not use this side story as an excusable distraction for a loss if Providence wins. |
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Post by HoyaChris on Jan 29, 2016 16:59:54 GMT -5
5. This game is a must and Providence is a good team, hopefully posters will not use this side story as an excusable distraction for a loss if Providence wins. Are we allowed to use it as an excuse if we win? |
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Post by kchoya on Jan 29, 2016 17:36:36 GMT -5
Of course the bot would come with standard apologetic/defensive language of the coach that could be attributed to one of several posters to be posted whenever the above critical language is posted. Start with some key phrases -- perhaps, "he's not going anywhere anytime soon", "you don't know basketball if you only care about March success", "we cannot get a better coach for $3,000,000", "yeah, who would like to coach at Georgetown?!," and a few others. Looks like we can add "It's O.K. if Dad sitting in the crowd interrupts Son at press conference." 1. I wonder...I wonder what jokes would be in a thread on this board if Jim Boeheim's dad or another coach's dad made those post game comments after a game vs. Gtown, that their team still won anyway 2. The refs and JTII have now become the main story, instead of the come from behind win 3. The refs officiating on Saturday will be under a microscope, not only them but the reactions of JTII & JTIII will be too 4. Expect to see many camera shots of JTII whenever there is a call that goes against the Hoyas on Saturday 5. This game is a must and Providence is a good team, hopefully posters will not use this side story as an excusable distraction for a loss if Providence wins. I think there are maybe 5 people in the entire country that agree with anything you just typed. The only people making this a story are the people talking about how this is a "story." I guarantee you there will no more shots of JT2 than usual on Saturday. |
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Post by eagle54 on Jan 29, 2016 17:49:48 GMT -5
That's not the point. Do you bring your dad to work to tell your bosses and co-workers what is wrong with everything you are dealing with. It's a perception issue and has nothing to do with him being allowed in the room. It's more about letting go and making sure the perception is who's clearly running the program. It's crystal clear who's running the program. I think the perception problem in this instance is yours. Just so I'm clear, who would that be? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 17:50:03 GMT -5
Of course the bot would come with standard apologetic/defensive language of the coach that could be attributed to one of several posters to be posted whenever the above critical language is posted. Start with some key phrases -- perhaps, "he's not going anywhere anytime soon", "you don't know basketball if you only care about March success", "we cannot get a better coach for $3,000,000", "yeah, who would like to coach at Georgetown?!," and a few others. Looks like we can add "It's O.K. if Dad sitting in the crowd interrupts Son at press conference." 1. I wonder...I wonder what jokes would be in a thread on this board if Jim Boeheim's dad or another coach's dad made those post game comments after a game vs. Gtown, that their team still won anyway 2. The refs and JTII have now become the main story, instead of the come from behind win 3. The refs officiating on Saturday will be under a microscope, not only them but the reactions of JTII & JTIII will be too 4. Expect to see many camera shots of JTII whenever there is a call that goes against the Hoyas on Saturday 5. This game is a must and Providence is a good team, hopefully posters will not use this side story as an excusable distraction for a loss if Providence wins. If Jim Boehim (Ret) was in the back of the room and Mike Hopkins was (HC) at the podium and Jim made those comments you think fans wouls say "Jim just bashed the refs He's running the team"  I do not. I think people would laugh and say "That's Jim being Jim" just like they laugh and say that's pops being pops. If your a sensitive referee you're in the wrong business... Coach K rips refs all the time and Duke gets more calls than anyone |
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Post by Filo on Jan 29, 2016 18:01:30 GMT -5
1. I wonder...I wonder what jokes would be in a thread on this board if Jim Boeheim's dad or another coach's dad made those post game comments after a game vs. Gtown, that their team still won anyway 2. The refs and JTII have now become the main story, instead of the come from behind win 3. The refs officiating on Saturday will be under a microscope, not only them but the reactions of JTII & JTIII will be too 4. Expect to see many camera shots of JTII whenever there is a call that goes against the Hoyas on Saturday 5. This game is a must and Providence is a good team, hopefully posters will not use this side story as an excusable distraction for a loss if Providence wins. I think there are maybe 5 people in the entire country that agree with anything you just typed. The only people making this a story are the people talking about how this is a "story." I guarantee you there will no more shots of JT2 than usual on Saturday. There is a special irony in a poster attempting to perpetuate a non-story by claiming that said non-story is now the main story. There are like five people in the world who think this is a big story, and all five apparently post on this forum. |
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Post by eagle54 on Jan 29, 2016 18:03:11 GMT -5
1. I wonder...I wonder what jokes would be in a thread on this board if Jim Boeheim's dad or another coach's dad made those post game comments after a game vs. Gtown, that their team still won anyway 2. The refs and JTII have now become the main story, instead of the come from behind win 3. The refs officiating on Saturday will be under a microscope, not only them but the reactions of JTII & JTIII will be too 4. Expect to see many camera shots of JTII whenever there is a call that goes against the Hoyas on Saturday 5. This game is a must and Providence is a good team, hopefully posters will not use this side story as an excusable distraction for a loss if Providence wins. If Jim Boehim (Ret) was in the back of the room and Mike Hopkins was (HC) at the podium and Jim made those comments you think fans wouls say "Jim just bashed the refs He's running the team" I do not. I think people would laugh and say "That's Jim being Jim" just like they laugh and say that's pops being pops. If your a sensitive referee you're in the wrong business. My issue is not what he said as I think his point was very valid based on the officiating we all witnessed. It's the fact that he's sitting in on team press conference with a coach and two players who are answering questions and he's undermining that process. I don't have a problem with him being in the room either. However, if he wants to express those sentiments he could easily grab a reporter after that ended and say all he wanted to for print or television but doesn't need to interrupt the actual press conference which is for the coach and players. It's obviously created some buzz but I don't think a different officiating crew is going to purposefully take it out on us while they are officiating our next game. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 18:07:46 GMT -5
If Jim Boehim (Ret) was in the back of the room and Mike Hopkins was (HC) at the podium and Jim made those comments you think fans wouls say "Jim just bashed the refs He's running the team" I do not. I think people would laugh and say "That's Jim being Jim" just like they laugh and say that's pops being pops. If your a sensitive referee you're in the wrong business. My issue is not what he said as I think his point was very valid based on the officiating we all witnessed. It's the fact that he's sitting in on team press conference with a coach and two players who are answering questions and he's undermining that process. I don't have a problem with him being in the room either. However, if he wants to express those sentiments he could easily grab a reporter after that ended and say all he wanted to for print or television but doesn't need to interrupt the actual press conference which is for the coach and players. It's obviously created some buzz but I don't think a different officiating crew is going to purposefully take it out on us while they are officiating our next game. I understand Eagle and I definitely can respect it. I personally just don't think it's a big deal.. Would it have been better to handle it the way you said, maybe/probably, but that's not 2's way and never has been. He's always been that same outspoken guy who rarely bites his tongue.. |
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 29, 2016 19:03:28 GMT -5
It's crystal clear who's running the program. I think the perception problem in this instance is yours. Just so I'm clear, who would that be? If you don't know, I can't help you. Sorry. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 29, 2016 19:10:26 GMT -5
JT2 is in the back of the room for the Hoya press conference after most home games - at times, he's asked the first question. You all know he attends/watches quite a few of the practices as well, right? If his son actually had a problem with any of that it would have ended long ago. As for the game cameras showing him courtside a lot in the game tomorrow, they'd better get ready for nothing much as he rarely offers any comment or shows any reaction either way during the games.
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Post by eagle54 on Jan 29, 2016 23:26:28 GMT -5
Just so I'm clear, who would that be? If you don't know, I can't help you. Sorry. Understood but still struggling to keep up here. |
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