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Post by professorhoya on Nov 21, 2015 1:25:25 GMT -5
We probably could have also used Derrickson for that but he didn't play much because I think he was having trouble understanding the pack line and trouble defending Nigel Hayes. You never take the hot hand out of the game. This time it was Cameron and that took away Derrickson's time. Well I was thinking more of having both Cameron and Derrickson in at the same time which would give you 2-4 3pt shooters (depending on if DSR And Govan are in) to defeat the Pack Line. |
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Post by aleutianhoya on Nov 21, 2015 6:14:25 GMT -5
Couple points:
Rebounding: I liked the effort a lot and that's all you can ask for. Everyone crashed and aggressively attacked. A few times we had so many guys attacking that we lost out on tips that got over everyone's heads or bumped into each other. Marcus has shown a knack in limited action for carving out space. With both him and Brad on the bench no one else can do that (and Bradnisnt that great at it either) so everything is contested. That makes things hard. I will be interested to see what happens against Plumlee who is big and knows how to use his size. We knew boards would be a concern but I am happy at least that the team and staff have obviously emphasized it.
Sub patterns: I said this before but I loved that Tre got a few (but just a few) real minutes and coach stayed generally with what was working. Our overall depth and positional versatility is our single biggest strength and so far I feel like we have done a good job with using it.
DSR: He has a habit of starting slowly. Both in seasons and in individual games. It is what it is. I liked his aggression. And as for Greenberg's comment that he was playing "in between," well, that IS his game. He is not a slasher or a pure penetrator. His drives are to set up the mid range jumper and it is the fear of that jumper that allows him to get all the way to the hoop. They just weren't going in. SF noted that he played well in other areas and I agree. He is a good player and so I have higher expectations, so I still don't think he played well overall. But we know he will.
Peak: I really thought he showed all the tools but the outside shot. He can be a defensive stopper. One or two of the fouls were complete BS.
The Same Thing: For those complaining about how we always lose the same way. Well, this was a big game. Maybe Wiscy won't be that good and it won't be a big win at the end of the year but it was surely a huge win given our present circumstances. And what did we do? We made key foul shots down the stretch. We decidedly did not take the air out of the ball (after trying it for one possession, we stopped). We got key defensive stops. We had great out of timeout offense (not so great defense...). Coach continually emphasized pushing the ball (and we had a couple transition hoops against a team that doesnt really give up many). Did I miss anything that folks usually complain about?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 21, 2015 7:31:51 GMT -5
Duke had a 34 to 13 FTAs edge over VCU. Insane! I hope the refs don't steal our game. Duke. ESPN. Not a good mix. |
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Post by prhoya on Nov 21, 2015 9:50:31 GMT -5
You never take the hot hand out of the game. This time it was Cameron and that took away Derrickson's time. Well I was thinking more of having both Cameron and Derrickson in at the same time which would give you 2-4 3pt shooters (depending on if DSR And Govan are in) to defeat the Pack Line. That would be awesome because we will see a lot of Pack Lines throughout the rest of the season. My, my, now Reggie is considered a part of a five to break up packed teams.  |
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Post by prhoya on Nov 21, 2015 9:56:19 GMT -5
Duke had a 34 to 13 FTAs edge over VCU. Insane! I hope the refs don't steal our game. Duke. ESPN. Not a good mix. Has some coach started to complain about the new foul rules? It will take someone in the spptlight or that just played Duke. If the NCAAs are called like what we've seen, it will turn off a lot of the viewing public. |
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Post by Filo on Nov 21, 2015 10:36:14 GMT -5
Couple points: Rebounding: I liked the effort a lot and that's all you can ask for. Everyone crashed and aggressively attacked. A few times we had so many guys attacking that we lost out on tips that got over everyone's heads or bumped into each other. Marcus has shown a knack in limited action for carving out space. With both him and Brad on the bench no one else can do that (and Bradnisnt that great at it either) so everything is contested. That makes things hard. I will be interested to see what happens against Plumlee who is big and knows how to use his size. We knew boards would be a concern but I am happy at least that the team and staff have obviously emphasized it. Sub patterns: I said this before but I loved that Tre got a few (but just a few) real minutes and coach stayed generally with what was working. Our overall depth and positional versatility is our single biggest strength and so far I feel like we have done a good job with using it. DSR: He has a habit of starting slowly. Both in seasons and in individual games. It is what it is. I liked his aggression. And as for Greenberg's comment that he was playing "in between," well, that IS his game. He is not a slasher or a pure penetrator. His drives are to set up the mid range jumper and it is the fear of that jumper that allows him to get all the way to the hoop. They just weren't going in. SF noted that he played well in other areas and I agree. He is a good player and so I have higher expectations, so I still don't think he played well overall. But we know he will. Peak: I really thought he showed all the tools but the outside shot. He can be a defensive stopper. One or two of the fouls were complete BS. The Same Thing: For those complaining about how we always lose the same way. Well, this was a big game. Maybe Wiscy won't be that good and it won't be a big win at the end of the year but it was surely a huge win given our present circumstances. And what did we do? We made key foul shots down the stretch. We decidedly did not take the air out of the ball (after trying it for one possession, we stopped). We got key defensive stops. We had great out of timeout offense (not so great defense...). Coach continually emphasized pushing the ball (and we had a couple transition hoops against a team that doesnt really give up many). Did I miss anything that folks usually complain about? You made several points I was going to make, esp. about the rebounding. Was frustrating that they could not hold onto the ball - seemed like an awful lot of contact in there for a few stretches - but the effort was there and they were getting their hands on the ball. Better than previous years. Most impressive to me about Cameron was his defense. Yeah, he's not all-word on defense, but he doesn't even remotely resemble the player he was in previous years. Imagine that, a college basketball player showing improvement year over year. Unheard of. I think this win is being undersold around here. As bad as that Radford loss was -- and it was real bad -- this was a nice win given that we didn't have two ball handlers playing and DSR was again hampered with foul trouble. Playing against a team that doesn't press helped. It could get ugly against Duke if the fouls pile up. DSR has to play smarter - that's two game in a row with early foul trouble. Speaking of fouls, I didn't think the games could get worse than last year, but they are. The foul-calling is atrocious, and the games are almost unwatchable across the board. Just awful. |
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Post by prhoya on Nov 21, 2015 10:51:11 GMT -5
Duke. ESPN. Not a good mix. Has some coach started to complain about the new foul rules? It will take someone in the spptlight or that just played Duke. If the NCAAs are called like what we've seen, it will turn off a lot of the viewing public. Bump I just checked the stats and both Duke and Villanova have won every FTA battle, some by a wide margin. Opp. coaches need to start to point it out so that everyone is aware (the media will be talking about it) and hopefully it makes the refs more mindful. |
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Post by prhoya on Nov 21, 2015 11:05:04 GMT -5
Speaking of fouls, I didn't think the games could get worse than last year, but they are. The foul-calling is atrocious, and the games are almost unwatchable across the board. Just awful. Since we play Duke and Villanova (at least twice), we should be ready for March on how to deal with it. |
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Post by kchoya on Nov 21, 2015 14:55:41 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I'll ever want to see Hayes' usage rate this year Hayes off to a great start this year and people are bitching about his usage rate. Some things never change. |
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Post by kchoya on Nov 21, 2015 15:02:39 GMT -5
DSR and BH look like something is physically wrong with them. I'm speculating based on body language, looks on their faces and lack of energy. Were they smiling? |
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Post by kchoya on Nov 21, 2015 15:10:04 GMT -5
Couple points: Rebounding: I liked the effort a lot and that's all you can ask for. Everyone crashed and aggressively attacked. A few times we had so many guys attacking that we lost out on tips that got over everyone's heads or bumped into each other. Marcus has shown a knack in limited action for carving out space. With both him and Brad on the bench no one else can do that (and Bradnisnt that great at it either) so everything is contested. That makes things hard. I will be interested to see what happens against Plumlee who is big and knows how to use his size. We knew boards would be a concern but I am happy at least that the team and staff have obviously emphasized it. Sub patterns: I said this before but I loved that Tre got a few (but just a few) real minutes and coach stayed generally with what was working. Our overall depth and positional versatility is our single biggest strength and so far I feel like we have done a good job with using it. DSR: He has a habit of starting slowly. Both in seasons and in individual games. It is what it is. I liked his aggression. And as for Greenberg's comment that he was playing "in between," well, that IS his game. He is not a slasher or a pure penetrator. His drives are to set up the mid range jumper and it is the fear of that jumper that allows him to get all the way to the hoop. They just weren't going in. SF noted that he played well in other areas and I agree. He is a good player and so I have higher expectations, so I still don't think he played well overall. But we know he will. Peak: I really thought he showed all the tools but the outside shot. He can be a defensive stopper. One or two of the fouls were complete BS. The Same Thing: For those complaining about how we always lose the same way. Well, this was a big game. Maybe Wiscy won't be that good and it won't be a big win at the end of the year but it was surely a huge win given our present circumstances. And what did we do? We made key foul shots down the stretch. We decidedly did not take the air out of the ball (after trying it for one possession, we stopped). We got key defensive stops. We had great out of timeout offense (not so great defense...). Coach continually emphasized pushing the ball (and we had a couple transition hoops against a team that doesnt really give up many). Did I miss anything that folks usually complain about? Tre didn't play. |
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Post by Filo on Nov 21, 2015 16:29:56 GMT -5
He meant Trey. I am sure you knew that.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 21, 2015 19:57:43 GMT -5
Thanks, jinx. Very interesting! Although not high-profile, it's a start. Tomorrow will be high-profile. |
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 21, 2015 20:22:21 GMT -5
I thought he did really well also. Especially for a freshman. But he went under more picks (at least it seemed to me) which, against Wisco, I guess isn't the worst thing and maybe that's more the point. They weren't shooting well so maybe that's the better play. But, even though we had the lead throughout, it felt like the game was in question for most of it. Maybe that's just me being paranoid and coloring my perception of the actual play. In any case, Kaleb gets the award for getting hosed by no-calls that he should have gotten. The kid was robbed a few times that were glaringly apparent. I'm with you that I think he's going to be a guy that we're very happy became a Hoya. I'm happy already and, if he tightens up his ball skills a bit, my smile will only get wider. He worked his butt off tonight. Loved the energy. I respectfully disagree about his fouls tonight. I do think he will be a great Hoya in the future, but it was a bit of a rough night for him tonight. He was forced into a position where he was clearly not comfortable. He is not ready to be a lead guard yet. That's not a knock on him as there are few guards who can slip into that role successfully in all D-1. He made some questionable choices and fouls, especially on the three and the open follow up. However, as far as I could see through broadcast TV, he was often disappointed after some fouls and knew he made a mistake or two. That speaks to someone who is willing to improve. I anxiously await his full arrival. The refs jobbed him though... |
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 21, 2015 23:03:40 GMT -5
You never take the hot hand out of the game. This time it was Cameron and that took away Derrickson's time. Well I was thinking more of having both Cameron and Derrickson in at the same time which would give you 2-4 3pt shooters (depending on if DSR And Govan are in) to defeat the Pack Line. We even went lineups with 5 3pt shooters at a time. Not many of any other teams in the country can say they have regular lineups with 5 shooters on the floor at all times. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 21, 2015 23:23:07 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I'll ever want to see Hayes' usage rate this year Hayes off to a great start this year and people are bitching about his usage rate. Some things never change. Hayes is off to a good start but his offensive efficiency is 93.2 (compared to Govan who is at 118.2). Much of this has to do with Hayes' turnover rate, which is pretty high and shooting FTs at 50%. To me, it seems like many of his turnovers occur when he's got the ball in the post and he hesitates before figuring out what he's going to do. He can also improve by passing out of double-teams more quickly. But all that being said, Hayes has been a big help this year. Hopefully, he keeps it up (and Govan too). |
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Wisconsin coach Bo Ryan announces immediate retirement
Greg Gard assumes the title of interim coach immediately.
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