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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 14:57:41 GMT -5
Can't give him credit for anything that happened in OT. If not for his 0-6 from the line, there wouldn't have been an OT and he never would've had to make that play. That doesn't follow a logical progression. Because Hop missed two fts with 4 mins remaining, that has an affect on How everyone plays for the rest of the game? That's not how sports work, they are about getting hit in the mouth and seeing how well you respond. Math is hard, I know. Make a few of those free throws, and the Hoyas win in regulation. He never would've had to make a good play in OT if there is no OT. Seems pretty logical to me.
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 10, 2015 14:58:58 GMT -5
Why is Hopkins reaching for the ball 25 feet from the basket. Why is he allowed to play shooting ft so badly. I just do not get what is the criteria to receive playing time for GTown. the definition of a frustration foul (similar to Josh's fourth). After getting hacked all day with no whistle on one end, eventually something's gotta give. Our bigs have had pretty decent composure all year for how much they get hosed
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Post by hoyacane11 on Jan 10, 2015 14:59:09 GMT -5
Cry me a freakin river. III coached horribly in that game, and has in others this year as well. We run the same elementary sh.. on offense every single game. Never do you see anything new from him. We have too much talent and depth on this team to have sustained droughts and look so stagnant on offense. You know how you get your star player to shoot more when he's not shooting? You call a freakin play for him. Problem is, III doesn't have any. That garbage he called at the end of regulation was embarrassing, but that was the best he could do. smh I've been a Hoya for 30 years, so don't pull that superfan sh.. on me bruh. If he's not doing a good job coaching I will say it. If you don't like it, don't read it. Ahhh, the always collossally brilliant posting stylings of hoyacane. *Over the last few years, we've constantly evolved our offense depending on who is on the team. With Josh, without. Last year's focused on Markel and DSR creating. The offense of the Final Four years was drastically different. *I don't think he's great with set plays. I don't think he's terrible either. He had a couple of great plays along the baseline off the timeout this game that no one has given credit and he had some bogged down plays at the end. He gets blasted when he uses DSR as a decoy and when he sets it up for him. If Paul White makes that 3, he's a genius. He didn't, so he's not. *There's a great post by CO on droughts. Providence had massive droughts this game -- does Cooley suck, too? Tell me this coach without droughts, please. Let's see the list of coaches clearly better than JTIII. Since you think he sucks, it should be AT least 100 coaches long. *What superfan Edited? It's not superfan to say you only bitch about the coach. *I love this: "If you don't like it, don't read it." You posted Edited on a public message board and apparently you get all Editeding butthurt when someone actually responds in something other than the affirmative. This is like talking with a five year old. There's no guarantee people aren't going to disagree with you. lol, that's funny. I have no problem whatsoever with healthy debate, but don't waste your time bitching to me or other others trying to dictate what we can or can't complain about. If it doesn't jive with your beliefs, then you bitch. Is this N. Korea? The only posts you can control are yours. You didn't see my crying about what you or anyone else posted. I can name a whole lot of coaches better than III, but I won't waste my time or yours listing them here. Bottom line is, he's NOT making it easy for his team, as the GOOD ones are supposed to do. It's the same, easy to guard sh.. every day all day. That's why we can't beat a good team and coach, and we struggle with the not so good ones. He need to do better, like it or not.
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 10, 2015 15:00:17 GMT -5
Winning today doesn't negate the poor decisions that he's made today. I don't understand that logic. That isn't the point. When we come from behind and beat a team like Indiana in the 2nd half, there is no acknowledgement of coaching success but when we lose a Big East game on the road where your Senior PF goes 0 for 6 from the foul line in the second half and the whistles got extremely uneven after the 12:30 mark, the coach sucks. Sounds like you're dealing with feelings, not facts.
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 10, 2015 15:02:25 GMT -5
Hop's last miss was at 1:57 but he missed 4 in a row with the score tied at 46. I'm not putting the loss squarely on Hop but when you're on the road it's important to control the crowd. 2or3 of those 6 puts Provy down and puts more pressure on their shots. Maybe they step up and make big shots but late in the game I would like to see if they can. Exactly and the OT score was 50-50, so there were only 4 points scored after he missed 4 FTs in a row, so it is hard to see how Hop did not cost us the game. Yeah, but try to follow me. I'm not saying I don't also blame Hopkins to a degree, but him missing those last FTs didn't have a direct bearing on why we only scored 4 points after that point.....
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 10, 2015 15:03:56 GMT -5
We need either Ike or PW to step up defensively so we can limit Hops mins. I doubt this is gonna happen but it is the only way we will have a great season. If Hop could do anything offensively we would be a really good team. I would have liked to see more Tre in OT. Tre needs to shoot more than 3 shots in a game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 15:05:34 GMT -5
He's currently making a good team with a lot of talent and depth into a very average or below average team. The sets he runs of offense make this team waaay too easy to guard. He gets paid too much money to be so predictable on offense. He needs to try and run sets teams hasn't seen us run before. Some of the stuff he sent out there today was horrible. Yes, we know you don't like the offense. We'e heard it. What do you find "unpredictable"? Isolation plays? What is this offense missing? We run. We run pick and roll (3 that Hopkins botches), we flash to the FT line and to the baseline against the zone. We dribble drive into the seams. We run cuts every once in a while. We dump it down the big man (not enough). We don't run all these that well. We get stagnant at times. But these are all in the playbook. Things I think we are missing: isolation plays (for who, I don't know); curls off screens. The latter one is just about the only thing I can think of that I'd really like to see. I also think this team could go inside-out quicker. Mostly I just think we are slow at rotating the ball. What are we missing? I think this is accurate. But the pick and rolls need to be with players other than Hopkins because he can't finish a play to save his life. It has to be with white, Copeland, even Trawick and Smith. I also would like to see DSR just come around that pick and fire from the elbow more. A variation of that play would also be the pick and pop, which I think DSR and White could run very effectively. Would like to see some downscreens and curls as well. I know there is supposed emphasis on getting on the break more but it seems to me we don't take advantage of the secondary break enough. Too many times we have a small advantage where we're 3-2 or Peak/Trawick have a semi opening as everyone is coming back on defense. I would like to press these opportunities more. While they arent clear cut transition opportunities I still think they would be higher percentage chances than the dawdling around the perimeter that eventually happens when we allow the defense to settle in and we "run our stuff." There are some other things I'd like to see like more creative inbounds plays, using an ally-oop off the baseline to take advantage of athleticism and punish the zone and having a selectively used play where we sneak-in an extra offensive rebounder. (While watching to prevent the run-out on us.) I mighta thrown a press at Dunn after the carry call just to see how'd he react. Mighta also drawn up a few plays to specifically attack Harris after he picked up his fourth foul with a lot of time left to play. If we foul him out he doesnt hit that clutch 3 toward the end. I could go on but now I'm nitpicking....
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 10, 2015 15:05:42 GMT -5
Ok, I wasn't implying that it was just you but just because he had a sliver of space doesn't mean he should take it if it's not a good shot. The Paul three was more wide open and in rhythm. The problem with that play is that rather than wittle down the clock, then run out set we ran the set, and then tried to run down the clock (to make sure Providence didn't have a chance to tie/win). In that situation you either take the quickest clean shot, or the last possible shot and we were stuck in between. Plus, have someone else bring the ball up. Yep, I completely agree and mentioned as much in an earlier post. Everyone knows we're going to DSR, so why not at least run a play with a different ball handler and a decoy to take some of the attention off of him. Truly baffling since this isn't the first time it's happened, in the other cases it cost us a quality win or two, rather than helped us avoid a loss.
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Post by mfk24 on Jan 10, 2015 15:06:59 GMT -5
Ahhh, the always collossally brilliant posting stylings of hoyacane. *Over the last few years, we've constantly evolved our offense depending on who is on the team. With Josh, without. Last year's focused on Markel and DSR creating. The offense of the Final Four years was drastically different. *I don't think he's great with set plays. I don't think he's terrible either. He had a couple of great plays along the baseline off the timeout this game that no one has given credit and he had some bogged down plays at the end. He gets blasted when he uses DSR as a decoy and when he sets it up for him. If Paul White makes that 3, he's a genius. He didn't, so he's not. *There's a great post by CO on droughts. Providence had massive droughts this game -- does Cooley suck, too? Tell me this coach without droughts, please. Let's see the list of coaches clearly better than JTIII. Since you think he sucks, it should be AT least 100 coaches long. *What superfan Edited? It's not superfan to say you only bitch about the coach. *I love this: "If you don't like it, don't read it." You posted Edited on a public message board and apparently you get all Editeding butthurt when someone actually responds in something other than the affirmative. This is like talking with a five year old. There's no guarantee people aren't going to disagree with you. lol, that's funny. I have no problem whatsoever with healthy debate, but don't waste your time bitching to me or other others trying to dictate what we can or can't complain about. If it doesn't jive with your beliefs, then you bitch. Is this N. Korea? The only posts you can control are yours. You didn't see my crying about what you or anyone else posted. I can name a whole lot of coaches better than III, but I won't waste my time or yours listing them here. Bottom line is, he's NOT making it easy for his team, as the GOOD ones are supposed to do. It's the same, easy to guard sh.. every day all day. That's why we can't beat a good team and coach, and we struggle with the not so good ones. He need to do better, like it or not. So when we shoot 36% on pretty decent looks, you put that on the coach? We've had a number of open layups, wide open 10-15 footers, open 3s off our offense, all missed. Don't know what else he can do but out the ball in the basket himself. Not saying that I love our offense, not saying that at all but if we're getting open looks, doesn't matter if I like it or not.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 10, 2015 15:07:06 GMT -5
He's currently making a good team with a lot of talent and depth into a very average or below average team. The sets he runs of offense make this team waaay too easy to guard. He gets paid too much money to be so predictable on offense. He needs to try and run sets teams hasn't seen us run before. Some of the stuff he sent out there today was horrible. Yes, we know you don't like the offense. We'e heard it. What do you find "unpredictable"? Isolation plays? What is this offense missing? We run. We run pick and roll (3 that Hopkins botches), we flash to the FT line and to the baseline against the zone. We dribble drive into the seams. We run cuts every once in a while. We dump it down the big man (not enough). We don't run all these that well. We get stagnant at times. But these are all in the playbook. Things I think we are missing: isolation plays (for who, I don't know); curls off screens. The latter one is just about the only thing I can think of that I'd really like to see. I also think this team could go inside-out quicker. Mostly I just think we are slow at rotating the ball. What are we missing? It's mainly execution, SF, there's no doubt. But as I said somewhere else, I would like us to get into the middle of the zone faster -- we almost always try to spread it out first. And I'd still like to try Josh at the high post every so often, since he seems to be the one guy on the entire team (big or small) that understands the quick passing needed against a zone. And trying to have him post against the zone necessarily packs it in and limits movement, which is too our general disadvantage.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 10, 2015 15:07:27 GMT -5
Final Thoughts:1. I am not going to bother whining about the refs cause if the team plays better than it is a non-factor. You probably should. They were horrific. Deservedly. Yes. White for Hopkins. I'd also consider moving Peak to the bench if I really thought if would get DSR *and* Peak going again. Reduced minutes for Hopkins. More for whoever takes them, including Bowen. Not overly. I wish they could shoot better. I've seen huge stride on defense, so no. Yes. How have you not? Ironically, I'm sure every one will say offense. Our defense has been worse than our offense over the whole season. But I do think this team has more offensive potential than defensive.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 10, 2015 15:07:42 GMT -5
Good: Josh 14 and 12. Can't ask for more than that. White: Didn't shoot well but came to play. Bad: No #2 option in offense when DSR is struggling. Peak in a slump. Can't figure out a zone defense. Bowen can't play D and faded out of the lineup. Ugly: Hopkins 0-6 from the line. One GU basket in final 3 mins. of regulation and one in its final 4:30 of overtime. Copeland seemingly a non-factor now. Cameron, even less. Excellent summary.
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Post by michaeldm9 on Jan 10, 2015 15:08:00 GMT -5
Final Thoughts:1. I am not going to bother whining about the refs cause if the team plays better than it is a non-factor. 2. In-spite of things that went wrong the Hoyas got the game to OT and only lost the game by 3pts. 3. You are not going to win many games shooting under 36% FG and 23.5% 4/17 3pt. FG's 4. Hopper has officially become this year's whipping boy 5. A lot of frustrations about JTIII seems to come from the high expectations given to the 4 Freshmen and the struggles of Hopper Questions:
1. Do posters want to see a different starting 5? -> No Want to certain players to perform and earns minutes or let the next person behind get a chance. 2. Do posters want to see a different playing rotation? -> Yes. More Copeland and Hayes. 3. Are posters frustrated with the performance of the Freshman? -> No. 4. Do posters feel the Freshmen are not being coached up? -> Not all of them. 5. Have posters given up on Hopper? -> No. Just be a Senior and Play smart. I think the foul away from the basket up by one was worst than the 6 missed free throws. 6. Are poster more frustrated with the Hoyas' defensive performance or the offensive performance? -> No. Both was adequate.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 10, 2015 15:09:58 GMT -5
Ahhh, the always collossally brilliant posting stylings of hoyacane. *Over the last few years, we've constantly evolved our offense depending on who is on the team. With Josh, without. Last year's focused on Markel and DSR creating. The offense of the Final Four years was drastically different. *I don't think he's great with set plays. I don't think he's terrible either. He had a couple of great plays along the baseline off the timeout this game that no one has given credit and he had some bogged down plays at the end. He gets blasted when he uses DSR as a decoy and when he sets it up for him. If Paul White makes that 3, he's a genius. He didn't, so he's not. *There's a great post by CO on droughts. Providence had massive droughts this game -- does Cooley suck, too? Tell me this coach without droughts, please. Let's see the list of coaches clearly better than JTIII. Since you think he sucks, it should be AT least 100 coaches long. *What superfan Edited? It's not superfan to say you only bitch about the coach. *I love this: "If you don't like it, don't read it." You posted Edited on a public message board and apparently you get all Editeding butthurt when someone actually responds in something other than the affirmative. This is like talking with a five year old. There's no guarantee people aren't going to disagree with you. lol, that's funny. I have no problem whatsoever with healthy debate, but don't waste your time bitching to me or other others trying to dictate what we can or can't complain about. If it doesn't jive with your beliefs, then you bitch. Is this N. Korea? The only posts you can control are yours. You didn't see my crying about what you or anyone else posted. I can name a whole lot of coaches better than III, but I won't waste my time or yours listing them here. Bottom line is, he's NOT making it easy for his team, as the GOOD ones are supposed to do. It's the same, easy to guard sh.. every day all day. That's why we can't beat a good team and coach, and we struggle with the not so good ones. He need to do better, like it or not. Dude, I can totally name like a ton of awesome coaches, but...
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 10, 2015 15:10:30 GMT -5
Anyone have a play-by-play that includes substitutions? Would greatly appreciate it.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 10, 2015 15:11:15 GMT -5
Yes, we know you don't like the offense. We'e heard it. What do you find "unpredictable"? Isolation plays? What is this offense missing? We run. We run pick and roll (3 that Hopkins botches), we flash to the FT line and to the baseline against the zone. We dribble drive into the seams. We run cuts every once in a while. We dump it down the big man (not enough). We don't run all these that well. We get stagnant at times. But these are all in the playbook. Things I think we are missing: isolation plays (for who, I don't know); curls off screens. The latter one is just about the only thing I can think of that I'd really like to see. I also think this team could go inside-out quicker. Mostly I just think we are slow at rotating the ball. What are we missing? It's mainly execution, SF, there's no doubt. But as I said somewhere else, I would like us to get into the middle of the zone faster -- we almost always try to spread it out first. And I'd still like to try Josh at the high post every so often, since he seems to be the one guy on the entire team (big or small) that understands the quick passing needed against a zone. And trying to have him post against the zone necessarily packs it in and limits movement, which is too our general disadvantage. Totally agree. Getting started earlier, faster rotation across the zone and more than one player on the team being able to make an entry pass would be nice. The offense works well when people are aggressive. It doesn't when they hesitate.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 10, 2015 15:11:42 GMT -5
Anyone have a play-by-play that includes substitutions? Would greatly appreciate it. When GUHoyas posts the box score, it usually has it.
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 10, 2015 15:12:43 GMT -5
That doesn't follow a logical progression. Because Hop missed two fts with 4 mins remaining, that has an affect on How everyone plays for the rest of the game? That's not how sports work, they are about getting hit in the mouth and seeing how well you respond. Math is hard, I know. Make a few of those free throws, and the Hoyas win in regulation. He never would've had to make a good play in OT if there is no OT. Seems pretty logical to me. Lol have you ever played basketball? Or done anything sequential in life where your next move is dependent on what your last move (or opponents move) was? I don't remember the score, but say he hits all his fts (6) and we stretch out or lead and then Providence starts to settle for jumpers that don't connect and we end up winning by double digits as a result. Are you telling me that scenario is impossible, or are you telling me that we would win by six if he hit all his FTs or by three if he only hit half of them?? ^sarcasm. That logic isn't real and doesn't apply to sports that have a time component that dictates the final score...
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 10, 2015 15:13:41 GMT -5
Final Thoughts:1. I am not going to bother whining about the refs cause if the team plays better than it is a non-factor. 2. In-spite of things that went wrong the Hoyas got the game to OT and only lost the game by 3pts. 3. You are not going to win many games shooting under 36% FG and 23.5% 4/17 3pt. FG's 4. Hopper has officially become this year's whipping boy 5. A lot of frustrations about JTIII seems to come from the high expectations given to the 4 Freshmen and the struggles of Hopper Questions:
1. Do posters want to see a different starting 5? 2. Do posters want to see a different playing rotation? 3. Are posters frustrated with the performance of the Freshman? 4. Do posters feel the Freshmen are not being coached up? 5. Have posters given up on Hopper? 6. Are poster more frustrated with the Hoyas' defensive performance or the offensive performance? My thoughts. . . 1. I am ready for a different starting 5; I'd start Paul White at the 4, move Mikael Hopkins to the backup 5. 2. I am ready for a different rotation. I'd only play Hopkins at the backup 5, and give more minutes to White and Ike Copeland. I'd also take a few minutes away from Jabril Trawick and give them to Tre Campbell, shifting DSR to the 2. 3. I am not frustrated with the performance of the freshmen. Then again, my expectations may well be lower than others. I subscribe to the Al McGuire school of thought on freshmen: the best thing about them is that they become sophomores. 4. Hard to evaluate whether they are not being coached up. Again, my expectations of freshmen are lower than others. 5. Unfortunately, I am very close to giving up on Hopkins, in terms of making a meaningful contribution in every game. You can't make chicken salad out of another by-product of the chicken. 6. I am much, much more frustrated with the offensive performance. I can't even call it a performance, because that implies a level of satisfactory accomplishment to be displayed to others. I fear that showing tapes of our offense in action to war prisoners is violative of the protocols of the Geneva Convention. You can't complain about the defense after the last few games.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jan 10, 2015 15:16:57 GMT -5
Hopkins killed us. Period. We did a fantastic job on defense until overtime but it never should have gotten there. Wasted effort on that end.
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