royski
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Post by royski on Jan 10, 2015 14:31:35 GMT -5
0-6 from the line for Hopkins in an overtime loss is just completely unacceptable from a senior. I hate to blame single players for losses, but he needs to be better than that.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Jan 10, 2015 14:32:01 GMT -5
DSR does not want to take the shot and PW needs to take it. Twice! Incredible! Soul searching time for DSR! what a ignorant comment if your coach didn't have him bring the ball up maybe he gets a shot .
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 10, 2015 14:32:03 GMT -5
Look up the word "hyperbole" You defined what you're practicing. If you don't like what I post, simply don't read it. You're damn sure not going to dictate how I post. If I wasn't to say dumb or anything else, I will. Do you Okay bro, you do you. Just trying to give you some advice because the "R" word is one that is offensive to many people and this board is not gonna let that fly if you keep throwing it around for no reason. In fact, it's pretty offensive to me so if your vocabulary knows any suitable substitutes please try to be more respectful next time. Just a suggestion, because, like you said very childishly, I'm not gonna dictate what you post.
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Post by michaeldm9 on Jan 10, 2015 14:32:33 GMT -5
Guru, as an in game poster, you are awful.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jan 10, 2015 14:33:02 GMT -5
DSR had the shot initially on the josh screen but did not take it for some reason. Here you go, rock. Not just me.
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royski
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Post by royski on Jan 10, 2015 14:33:22 GMT -5
Paul White also should not be taking the biggest shots in the game, that's DSR's job and he needs to DEMAND that role.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 10, 2015 14:33:43 GMT -5
Wasn't able to watch the first half, but did Reggie get in at all? Why not at least give him the opportunity, see if we can hit some shots from the outside to open up the zone, and go from there? Nailed to the pines. I infer that JIII has zero confidence in him.
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mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Jan 10, 2015 14:34:14 GMT -5
To all the folks whining about JTIII, it would help if you had a single specific complaint anywhere in there. We get a great road win today if Hopkins doesn't completely and utterly Edited the bed. Four turnovers, 0-6 from the FT line, two colossally stupid and bad goaltends. We get a great road win if DSR would be more aggressive. We get a great road win if Josh Smith actually thinks about how many fouls we have. We have a great road win if the officials don't decide halfway through the second half to give it to Providence. And yeah, some of those set plays were awful. But you're a moron if you think JTIII is in the huddle going "stop moving on offense; DSR -- never shoot!" Guru -- you did type a bunch of things a couple of days ago. I completely debunked a couple as factual incorrect. You didn't bother to respond. And if your brother in arms is freaking hoyacane -- the dude who only complains about the coach, well, good luck with that. well, to be fair, jt3 had a role in hopkins terrible play, by, you know, putting him in the game. It should be clear by now that Hop's minutes should be highly limited and Copeland and White should play the 4. If we must lose due to our power forward making bonehead plays I'd rather it be because Copeland is learning on the job. And frankly, I think he'll do just fine in the 4 spot. But at this point, we know exactly what we're getting from Hopkins in that position..... Except he has to play the 5 because Josh is only good for about 25 mins regardless of foul trouble and Hayes can't rebound. Agreed Hopkins should never play the 4. White and Copeland split those minutes and be done with it but we're stuck at the 5.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jan 10, 2015 14:34:29 GMT -5
DSR does not want to take the shot and PW needs to take it. Twice! Incredible! Soul searching time for DSR! what a ignorant comment if your coach didn't have him bring the ball up maybe he gets a shot . check the other post, but yes he shouldn't be bringing up the ball.
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Post by hoyacane11 on Jan 10, 2015 14:35:15 GMT -5
To all the folks whining about JTIII, it would help if you had a single specific complaint anywhere in there. We get a great road win today if Hopkins doesn't completely and utterly Edited the bed. Four turnovers, 0-6 from the FT line, two colossally stupid and bad goaltends. We get a great road win if DSR would be more aggressive. We get a great road win if Josh Smith actually thinks about how many fouls we have. We have a great road win if the officials don't decide halfway through the second half to give it to Providence. And yeah, some of those set plays were awful. But you're a moron if you think JTIII is in the huddle going "stop moving on offense; DSR -- never shoot!" Guru -- you did type a bunch of things a couple of days ago. I completely debunked a couple as factual incorrect. You didn't bother to respond. And if your brother in arms is freaking hoyacane -- the dude who only complains about the coach, well, good luck with that. Cry me a freakin river. III coached horribly in that game, and has in others this year as well. We run the same elementary sh.. on offense every single game. Never do you see anything new from him. We have too much talent and depth on this team to have sustained droughts and look so stagnant on offense. You know how you get your star player to shoot more when he's not shooting? You call a freakin play for him. Problem is, III doesn't have any. That garbage he called at the end of regulation was embarrassing, but that was the best he could do. smh I've been a Hoya for 30 years, so don't pull that superfan sh.. on me bruh. If he's not doing a good job coaching I will say it. If you don't like it, don't read it.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 10, 2015 14:35:16 GMT -5
Apparently the outcome of the game was the determinative factor in deciding whether the coach did a good job? Really. What people should discuss is the recurring problems that plague this team, including no answer for the zone defense and inept FT shooting. Add the loss of composure by a senior who has played a lot and the return of the pass the ball around the perimeter offense. Seriously, did anyone , supporter or critic of JT III, really think that the Hoyas looked competent in running their offense today? Did anyone think that this team deserved to win? There are some serious flaws that have to be addressed or this is just another NIT season. 1) FT Shooting -- We just came off a game shooting like 83%. Players like Trawick and Smith have clearly changed their form and are taking more time at the line. This game we missed one FT by someone not named Hopkins. That's on the staff? How about just on Hopkins this time? 2) Zone Offense -- I think the offense looked bad at times and great at times. It's hard to play well against the zone when you can't hit an open jumpshot and your strength is big men down low -- basically the zone is designed to kill us. I thought White looked great at times and especially through most of the second half we looked very good on offense -- lots of penetration and interior passing. Lots of open looks. We missed quite a few of them, including three great plays that Hopkins got 0 points of because he couldn't convert at the rim or at the line. Does it stagnate at time? Absolutely. But it wasn't terrible. The second half box score isn't up yet, but I bet our offense was pretty strong there, especially if you adjust for the Hopkins screw-up. As for the comment people make "We're never good against the zone" -- that's absolute bull. It's been debunked like 50 times. Just look at our O efficiencies over the years against Syracuse. We don't consistently perform worse against the zone. I think we played this game with a Editeding anchor on our team, poor shooting, dumb plays by Josh, inexplicable lack of early aggressiveness by DSR and some bull refs. And we still lost by three in OT.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 10, 2015 14:35:21 GMT -5
And give Hopkins credit...big defensive play on that last possession. Can't give him credit for anything that happened in OT. If not for his 0-6 from the line, there wouldn't have been an OT and he never would've had to make that play. That doesn't follow a logical progression. Because Hop missed two fts with 4 mins remaining, that has an affect on How everyone plays for the rest of the game? That's not how sports work, they are about getting hit in the mouth and seeing how well you respond.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jan 10, 2015 14:35:53 GMT -5
Paul White also should not be taking the biggest shots in the game, that's DSR's job and he needs to DEMAND that role. Exactly. Soul searching time for DSR (and I'm a huge DSR fan)...
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Jan 10, 2015 14:36:52 GMT -5
didn't see it. too many to catch up on.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 10, 2015 14:38:27 GMT -5
To all the folks whining about JTIII, it would help if you had a single specific complaint anywhere in there. We get a great road win today if Hopkins doesn't completely and utterly Edited the bed. Four turnovers, 0-6 from the FT line, two colossally stupid and bad goaltends. We get a great road win if DSR would be more aggressive. We get a great road win if Josh Smith actually thinks about how many fouls we have. We have a great road win if the officials don't decide halfway through the second half to give it to Providence. And yeah, some of those set plays were awful. But you're a moron if you think JTIII is in the huddle going "stop moving on offense; DSR -- never shoot!" Guru -- you did type a bunch of things a couple of days ago. I completely debunked a couple as factual incorrect. You didn't bother to respond. And if your brother in arms is freaking hoyacane -- the dude who only complains about the coach, well, good luck with that. well, to be fair, jt3 had a role in hopkins terrible play, by, you know, putting him in the game. It should be clear by now that Hop's minutes should be highly limited and Copeland and White should play the 4. If we must lose due to our power forward making bonehead plays I'd rather it be because Copeland is learning on the job. And frankly, I think he'll do just fine in the 4 spot. But at this point, we know exactly what we're getting from Hopkins in that position..... That's fair. And I hardly agree with all of JTIII's decisions. I just think people put way too emphasis on the coach versus the players -- good and bad. JTIII is a good coach. He knows how to beat a zone -- his teams have done it a ton of times. He does have systematic weaknesses, I think, but they aren't often what people say. But he's not going to make a bad team great or a great team bad.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 10, 2015 14:39:52 GMT -5
don't be mad at Hopkins. be mad at the coach that continues to play him. There is truth to this. I love III but his love affair with Hopkins is beyond irrational Does anyone have +/- numbers for our players? I'd be interested in seeing what Hop's looks like
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AltoSaxa
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Post by AltoSaxa on Jan 10, 2015 14:40:17 GMT -5
Time to play White at the 4 and substitute Hopkins in on defense. Would also like to see more Copeland.
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HOYAPLAYA
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Jan 10, 2015 14:40:19 GMT -5
Not a single one of these clowns will do that. They only show up when they can push their agenda. Winning today doesn't negate the poor decisions that he's made today. I don't understand that logic. That isn't the point. When we come from behind and beat a team like Indiana in the 2nd half, there is no acknowledgement of coaching success but when we lose a Big East game on the road where your Senior PF goes 0 for 6 from the foul line in the second half and the whistles got extremely uneven after the 12:30 mark, the coach sucks.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jan 10, 2015 14:43:18 GMT -5
didn't see it. too many to catch up on. No problema.
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Post by hoyacane11 on Jan 10, 2015 14:43:39 GMT -5
well, to be fair, jt3 had a role in hopkins terrible play, by, you know, putting him in the game. It should be clear by now that Hop's minutes should be highly limited and Copeland and White should play the 4. If we must lose due to our power forward making bonehead plays I'd rather it be because Copeland is learning on the job. And frankly, I think he'll do just fine in the 4 spot. But at this point, we know exactly what we're getting from Hopkins in that position..... That's fair. And I hardly agree with all of JTIII's decisions. I just think people put way too emphasis on the coach versus the players -- good and bad. JTIII is a good coach. He knows how to beat a zone -- his teams have done it a ton of times. He does have systematic weaknesses, I think, but they aren't often what people say. But he's not going to make a bad team great or a great team bad. He's currently making a good team with a lot of talent and depth into a very average or below average team. The sets he runs of offense make this team waaay too easy to guard. He gets paid too much money to be so predictable on offense. He needs to try and run sets teams hasn't seen us run before. Some of the stuff he sent out there today was horrible.
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