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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 4, 2015 14:59:09 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of auto racing, but I'm told that a large component of the appeal lies in watching the massive collision and resulting destruction. I just can't let that slide. There is about as much truth to that often cited but totally baseless belief as there is that vaccinations lead to: 1. Mental Retardation 2. Autism, 3. Walking, talking, normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders. Race car fans like speed, loud cars, and have their favorite drivers. Think about it, if you have a favorite driver or drivers, would you really want to see them end up in an accident? Consider the pall that fell over NASCAR when Dale Earnhardt (#1 most popular driver) died at Daytona. BTW, you might recall that Hoya Brendan Gaughan has had and is having a successful racing career. OK, point made. Please feel free to return to bashing the 'Cuse, just leave the race car fans out of it. Fair point made and considered. I'm from New Jersey; my knowledge of auto racing is really confined to keeping up with traffic on the Turnpike and Parkway. My apologies to all of you auto racing fans for my jocular misunderstanding and misrepresentation of its allure. |
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 4, 2015 15:01:05 GMT -5
They are desperately hoping that it is just a one-year postseason ban covering this year. So let's hope it is a ban at least including next year. Can Chancellor Kent request the death penalty?? Some SU fans believe that he has "renounced" his association with Georgetown, although I'm not quite sure how one would do that. Others are less truShut upl of him; one referred to him as the Manchurian Chancellor. |
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 4, 2015 15:10:46 GMT -5
They are desperately hoping that it is just a one-year postseason ban covering this year. So let's hope it is a ban at least including next year. Can Chancellor Kent request the death penalty?? Some SU fans believe that he has "renounced" his association with Georgetown, although I'm not quite sure how one would do that. Others are less truShut upl of him; one referred to him as the Manchurian Chancellor. You renounce your association with Georgetown by pulling a William Peter Blatty and sue to have its Catholic status revoked!  I'd be pleased if Kent was the Manchurian Chancellor! |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 4, 2015 16:52:45 GMT -5
A poster on the SU board says his "source" told him a 2 year ban - this and next- NCAA may have originally proposed 3 year . AD Gross will be out; not sure about scholarships, vacated wins or Magoo future. Much uglier than just the initial rumors of (1) Fab Melo and Southerland academics and (2) failure to follow school's drug policy. Sounds like tomorrow could be entertaining to watch.
We REALLY need to win tonight. I want to spend tomorrow enjoying the meltdown over there, rather than debating how to fix our team.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 4, 2015 17:27:24 GMT -5
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 4, 2015 17:29:36 GMT -5
It is unclear whether the self-imposed ban is the entirety of the tournament ban that SU will be facing, or if the NCAA may/will impose an additional ban on top of this.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 4, 2015 17:33:01 GMT -5
From syracusefan.com:
Syracuse University Students and Faculty just received this email from Chancellor Kent Syverud:
February 4, 2015
Dear Students, Faculty, and Staff:
I am writing to give you advance notice that the University is announcing today it has self-imposed a one-year post-season ban for the men’s basketball 2014-15 season as part of its case pending before the NCAA Committee on Infractions.
This one-year ban includes the ACC Tournament and any additional post-season tournaments such as the NCAA Men’s Division I Basketball Tournament and the National Invitational Tournament (NIT). I made this decision in consultation with the Board of Trustees Athletics Committee and with the support of Athletics Director Daryl Gross and Men’s Basketball Head Coach Jim Boeheim. This was a difficult decision but one we believe appropriate given the facts associated with the NCAA investigation.
Syracuse’s history demonstrates a strong commitment to integrity, responsibility and fairness, values I have personally observed in practice many times since becoming Chancellor last year. The University has taken this matter seriously and worked with the NCAA for nearly eight years to investigate and address potential rules violations. The process has been exhaustive.
We have taken responsibility for past violations and worked hard to ensure they are not repeated. We believe these voluntary sanctions are consistent with those imposed on other NCAA schools in similar cases. I have included below a copy of the University announcement that will be issued shortly.
I am disappointed for our current men’s basketball players who must shoulder this post-season ban as a result of things that occurred years ago. I also recognize that not participating in post-season play will be disappointing for you and other Orange supporters. However, we look forward to moving past this matter and I am confident the men’s basketball program will be strong and successful both on the court and in the classroom in the years ahead.
Sincerely,
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Chancellor Kent Syverud
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 4, 2015 17:35:17 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on Feb 4, 2015 17:42:58 GMT -5
I wish to announce that I am self-imposing a one year ban on my participation in the Masters.
I do this to show my commitment to integrity, not because I would never qualify.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 4, 2015 17:46:16 GMT -5
I will be incredibly disappointed with the NCAA (yeah I know, get in line) if they let Suckacuse get away with this - waiting until it is patently obvious your team is not going to come close to making the Tourney, then "self-imposing" a ban to make yourself look good. Still hopeful the NCAA will hit them harder.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 4, 2015 17:51:14 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the NCAA does not have a great track record of imposing additional post-season bans above and beyond what was self-imposed by the individual miscreant school; most recently, Miami did not get any additional bans. Let's see what happens, though, with potential loss of scholarships, and whether AD Daryl Gross and/or Jim Boeheim may be seeking alternative employment. I have a feeling that a big shoe hasn't dropped yet.
Or, to paraphrase Dean Vernon Wormer, " someone has to put their foot down, and I am that foot."
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Post by Elvado on Feb 4, 2015 17:55:51 GMT -5
If a one year self imposed ban on a team going nowhere is what the NCAA deems appropriate, there is no reason to ever follow the rules.
Allowing the Orange mouth breathers to get away with this one is welcome mat to cheaters everywhere.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 4, 2015 18:03:31 GMT -5
If a one year self imposed ban on a team going nowhere is what the NCAA deems appropriate, there is no reason to ever follow the rules. Allowing the Orange mouth breathers to get away with this one is welcome mat to cheaters everywhere. In that regard, I read a few days ago that the University of Hawaii has self-imposed a post-season ban for its basketball after self-reporting a number of violations to the NCAA; they had previously fired their head coach and an assistant coach. Since Hawaii will never make the NCAA tournament, there is a very good argument that one could make that they need not ever obey NCAA rules. Once the final sanction tally comes in on Syracuse and North Carolina, two "esteemed" institutions and members of the Power 5, it will be very interesting to see whether a new (read, "separate") set of rules are formulated for the Power 5. |
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 4, 2015 18:07:42 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Feb 4, 2015 18:22:21 GMT -5
Transparent to say the least. Let's see if big, bad Thor has lost his hammer again.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 4, 2015 18:39:16 GMT -5
Reading through the proverbial tea leaves on the syracusefan.com site, I am left with the impression that there have been ongoing negotiations between SU and the NCAA about the penalties to be imposed, and that there is still no agreement. Consequently, Syracuse chose to announce the self-imposed one-year post-season ban, in an attempt to force the NCAA's hand (as the NCAA was reportedly insisting on, at a minimum, a two-year post-season ban). I note that ordinarily, self-imposed penalties are announced almost simultaneously with the self-reporting of violations, not three months after the conclusion of a hearing before the NCAA's Committee on Infractions. There is speculation that the NCAA is not happy with the late announcement of the self-imposed ban; more interestingly, the belief is now prevalent that Syracuse intentionally released the news of the self-imposed ban as a precursor to a suit against the NCAA if the penalty is more severe. Loss of scholarships and forfeiture of wins are almost a foregone conclusion; the issue will be whether the self-imposed one-year post-season ban is extended to two (or even three) years by the NCAA, and whether it winds up in court (legal, not basketball).
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 4, 2015 18:46:28 GMT -5
I almost feel bad for them. Almost.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 19:03:27 GMT -5
Reading through the proverbial tea leaves on the syracusefan.com site, I am left with the impression that there have been ongoing negotiations between SU and the NCAA about the penalties to be imposed, and that there is still no agreement. Consequently, Syracuse chose to announce the self-imposed one-year post-season ban, in an attempt to force the NCAA's hand (as the NCAA was reportedly insisting on, at a minimum, a two-year post-season ban). I note that ordinarily, self-imposed penalties are announced almost simultaneously with the self-reporting of violations, not three months after the conclusion of a hearing before the NCAA's Committee on Infractions. There is speculation that the NCAA is not happy with the late announcement of the self-imposed ban; more interestingly, the belief is now prevalent that Syracuse intentionally released the news of the self-imposed ban as a precursor to a suit against the NCAA if the penalty is more severe. Loss of scholarships and forfeiture of wins are almost a foregone conclusion; the issue will be whether the self-imposed one-year post-season ban is extended to two (or even three) years by the NCAA, and whether it winds up in court (legal, not basketball). This is the big question. Will the NCAA step up and add another year ban? |
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 4, 2015 19:18:23 GMT -5
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 4, 2015 19:28:25 GMT -5
Still musing over the tea leaves, and I think I figured out what's coming down for Syracuse.
The NCAA wanted to impose a two-year ban on post-season play, for the 2015-16 and 2016-17 seasons, but to let SU participate this season. SU sees that they are, at best, a bubble team, and more likely headed for the NIT, and was willing to impose the ban for the 2014-15 and 2015-16 seasons. They could not come to an agreement, and so Syracuse today announced the self-imposed ban for the 2014-15 season. They know a second year is coming, but they want to be eligible for the 2016-17 season, and figure that the NCAA would not impose an additional two-year ban on top of a self-imposed one-year ban. It's a roll of the dice by SU. SO the NCAA will just tack on one year (the 2015-16 season), penalize SU some scholarships for a couple of years, vacate fourteen wins (apparently the games that Fab Melo played in when he was ineligible) and call it a day.
Then again, I could be way, way off.
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I'd be pleased if Kent was the Manchurian Chancellor!
