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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 18, 2015 10:49:38 GMT -5
It's clearly to get to 1000 wins. He's banking on the NCAA inevitably restoring the 108 vacated ones. It's always only been about JB and not the fact that the program will not recover for several years after he leaves. The NCAA will not restore all the wins no matter what, since some of them were during the Melo debacle. However you can rest assured that Magoo and his minions have exhaustively analyzed how many they think they have a chance of restoring, and then calculated that three good years will get him to 1000. |
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Post by hoya95 on Mar 18, 2015 10:53:16 GMT -5
The AD, Daryl Gross, was a "dead-man-walking" after the details as to the attempts to reclaim Fab Melo's academic eligibility became public. We can blame Boeheim for many, many things, but I don't believe that Gross is his fall guy. Gross did this to himself. Boeheim's sheer, unmitigated gall ("chutzpah" in its purest form) in announcing that he will retire in three years, however, is breathtaking. Cajones. Big brass ones. He's the fall guy in that he was working for Jim Boeheim. I don't have much doubt that he was doing exactly what Boeheim wanted him to do. |
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Post by bmartin on Mar 18, 2015 10:55:09 GMT -5
The AD, Daryl Gross, was a "dead-man-walking" after the details as to the attempts to reclaim Fab Melo's academic eligibility became public. We can blame Boeheim for many, many things, but I don't believe that Gross is his fall guy. Gross did this to himself. Boeheim's sheer, unmitigated gall ("chutzpah" in its purest form) in announcing that he will retire in three years, however, is breathtaking. Cajones. Big brass ones. So you think the Director of Basketball Operations and the basketball facility receptionist wrote a paper for a class Fab Melo had completed the previous year and then negotiated revisions with the professor to accept it and change the grade, and Boeheim knew anything about it? |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 18, 2015 10:58:55 GMT -5
A number of posters on syracusefan.com proposing that SU move the court to the 50 yard line for the final home game do they can get 50,000+ in the building - and play our Hoyas! Kind of hard to do with conference schedules and all, I don't think the Big East is going to care to accommodate that.
Although it would be fun to give JTIII the chance to say "The Jim Boeheim Era is officially closed!"
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 18, 2015 10:59:06 GMT -5
I'm not saying that. Gross was a moron for sitting in on that meeting; no doubt that Boeheim was involved in the overall scheme, but he was at least smart enough to not be in the room.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 18, 2015 11:00:21 GMT -5
Boeheim either knew or should have known. Therefore, he is responsible, regardless of actual knowledge. Willful blindness will not absolve Boeheim of responsibility.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 18, 2015 11:01:27 GMT -5
The AD, Daryl Gross, was a "dead-man-walking" after the details as to the attempts to reclaim Fab Melo's academic eligibility became public. We can blame Boeheim for many, many things, but I don't believe that Gross is his fall guy. Gross did this to himself. Boeheim's sheer, unmitigated gall ("chutzpah" in its purest form) in announcing that he will retire in three years, however, is breathtaking. Cajones. Big brass ones. He's the fall guy in that he was working for Jim Boeheim. I don't have much doubt that he was doing exactly what Boeheim wanted him to do. Gross has plenty of his own actions to blame. Kowtowing to Magoo is just one of the pieces. |
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 18, 2015 11:01:42 GMT -5
A number of posters on syracusefan.com proposing that SU move the court to the 50 yard line for the final home game do they can get 50,000+ in the building - and play our Hoyas! Kind of hard to do with conference schedules and all, I don't think the Big East is going to care to accommodate that. Although it would be fun to give JTIII the chance to say "The Jim Boeheim Era is officially closed!" But I thought that they preferred the Duke rivalry now, and that we were dead to them! I see no way that Boeheim's last game is against GU, unless he is leaving in December. We, and the Big East, have no reason to accommodate any request from Lower Canada Community College with respect to their basketball program. |
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Post by kchoya on Mar 18, 2015 11:03:35 GMT -5
ESPN still lists Jimmy with 966 wins in its graphics on Sportscenter today. Typical Bristol crap.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 18, 2015 11:03:42 GMT -5
Is anyone at all surprised? Syracuse has shown zero remorse or shame. Why should that change now? After reading the report, their response is to appeal? They should have sent the NCAA a thank you note. The fact that it took this long to fire the AD tells you all you need to know. He should have been gone before the posturing of the self-imposed ban. They knew enough to have him gone long before now. Now people are supposed to be stupid enough to view this as Cuse trying to right the ship? Puh-leeze.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 18, 2015 11:07:39 GMT -5
Boeheim to hold a press conference at 10 a.m. tomorrow - just in time to upstage the first day of the tourney. Typically classless SU move. Gee I wonder if the NCAA will remember this as SU tries to negotiate reduced sanctions in connection with its appeal??
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 18, 2015 11:10:45 GMT -5
Boeheim to hold a press conference at 10 a.m. tomorrow - just in time to upstage the first day of the tourney. Typically classless SU move. Gee I wonder if the NCAA will remember this as SU tries to negotiate reduced sanctions in connection with its appeal?? What's the over-under in minutes as to how long it will take for Boeheim to get snarky with a reporter and refuse to answer a question? |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 18, 2015 11:14:32 GMT -5
Boeheim to hold a press conference at 10 a.m. tomorrow - just in time to upstage the first day of the tourney. Typically classless SU move. Gee I wonder if the NCAA will remember this as SU tries to negotiate reduced sanctions in connection with its appeal?? What's the over-under in minutes as to how long it will take for Boeheim to get snarky with a reporter and refuse to answer a question? 1 1/2. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 18, 2015 11:26:51 GMT -5
By the way, I just saw an interesting article on Syracuse.com from Monday with some details about the reason the NCAA findings took so long. Hopefully someone more computer savvy can link it.
Basically Syracuse was already pursuing appeals with the NCAA regarding the proposed findings, and the report was delayed while that played out. Here is where it gets even slimier. In addition to the Fab Melo debacle, there were 3 other basketball players who had academic work actually done for them by people within the "support program", two of them involving entire assignments/papers, the third just a paragraph in a paper. The work was submitted by computer. When it was discovered, the admin. went to the individual professors to see if they wanted to file academic misconduct charges. The prof for the player who had the paragraph written did, but they were DENIED (?!) by a 3-member faculty panel. The other two profs could find no copies or records of the work, so nothing was pursued!
Then, since no formal academic charges were ever filed - SU argued to the NCAA that since we did not find any misconduct, we want the portion of your findings regarding academic misconduct and related lack of control removed! The NCAA thankfully rejected that argument.
I felt dirtier just reading it.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Mar 18, 2015 11:28:59 GMT -5
What's the over-under in minutes as to how long it will take for Boeheim to get snarky with a reporter and refuse to answer a question? 1 1/2. Taking the under. Unless Thamel gets the first question in... |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 18, 2015 11:38:56 GMT -5
Taking the under. Unless Thamel gets the first question in... Actually since the announcement of his (eventual) retirement actually came ad part of a lengthy message from Kent, I have a feeling he will be instructed to focus on the retirement, his career at SU, his love for the program and his full commitment to the last 3 years. He will use the "I can't comment" excuse for everything else. |
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 18, 2015 11:41:13 GMT -5
By the way, I just saw an interesting article on Syracuse.com from Monday with some details about the reason the NCAA findings took so long. Hopefully someone more computer savvy can link it. Basically Syracuse was already pursuing appeals with the NCAA regarding the proposed findings, and the report was delayed while that played out. Here is where it gets even slimier. In addition to the Fab Melo debacle, there were 3 other basketball players who had academic work actually done for them by people within the "support program", two of them involving entire assignments/papers, the third just a paragraph in a paper. The work was submitted by computer. When it was discovered, the admin. went to the individual professors to see if they wanted to file academic misconduct charges. The prof for the player who had the paragraph written did, but they were DENIED (?!) by a 3-member faculty panel. The other two profs could find no copies or records of the work, so nothing was pursued! Then, since no formal academic charges were ever filed - SU argued to the NCAA that since we did not find any misconduct, we want the portion of your findings regarding academic misconduct and related lack of control removed! The NCAA thankfully rejected that argument. I felt dirtier just reading it. Here you go. . . . www.syracuse.com/orangesports/index.ssf/2015/03/why_did_it_take_125_days_for_the_ncaa_to_announce_its_sanctions_on_syracuse.html"My take is Syracuse is reaching here," Ridpath said. "There has never been an actual bylaw that states academic fraud is a violation. It typically falls under unethical conduct and extra benefits. Why Syracuse thinks this is new is beyond me. ... Syracuse is reaching, in my opinion, to set up an appeal." |
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Post by Elvado on Mar 18, 2015 12:06:27 GMT -5
Under Boeheim Academic Fraud is not a violation; it is a prerequisite.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 12:08:00 GMT -5
Guy wants to take a 3 year farewell tour? That’s so Jim
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Post by x-centercourt400s on Mar 18, 2015 12:09:18 GMT -5
Three years is pretty ridiculous. Having said that it seems to me that a timetable like that absolutely kills recruiting for them.
They've already got their '15-'16 class set, right? So that's year one. Year two is '16-'17 and that is when the scholarship limits come in I believe. So not only do you have fewer scholarships to hand out and fewer recruiters to scrounge for players but now you've got potential recruits knowing that at best they will have to deal with a new head coach after their sophomore season. And yeah you can say that they will stick with the same kind of playing style but there are zero guarantees with a new coach in place. Why would any recruit with options elsewhere want to sign on for that? And year three in '17-'18? Its all about the coach and his "farewell tour" plus you know you've got a new coach next year. High level recruits would be crazy to sign on for that.
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