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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Feb 6, 2015 11:00:49 GMT -5
So really, the only one who gets penalized is Rak Christmas.
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Post by ksf42001 on Feb 6, 2015 11:11:05 GMT -5
So really, the only one who gets penalized is Rak Christmas. Agreed, Syracuse could have self-imposed a post season ban last summer, which would have given Rak the opportunity to transfer without having to sit out a year. They also could have self-imposed a ban for next year, which would give rising seniors the chance to transfer and incoming recruits the chance to decommit. Either option would have given players the option of whether they wanted to play a "dead" season. Instead, Syracuse took the selfish route, deprived their players of choice, doing what was best for their program and not their players... |
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 6, 2015 11:14:11 GMT -5
SU keeps saying that all of the violations occurred prior to the 2012 season, so (if they are right. . .) the 2012 Big East regular season crown will probably not be impacted. Then again, I could be way off. I will say this in favor of SU (and this may be the only time I ever do so): the NCAA has been investigating the Syracuse program for years, and the hearing before the Committee on Infractions took place at the end of October. This should have come to a conclusion long ago, and it is unfair to the athletes to have this delayed as long as it has been. Irrespective of whether Syracuse deserves the sanctions (and make no mistake, it does), the time delay by the NCAA is wrong. Hopefully they'll move forward on the academic fiasco at North Carolina more expeditiously. How is that possible if Fab Melo is at the center of this? Edit: Maybe it's just they mean it stops with 2011-2012 (Fab Melo's last season...and the year they won the BE regular season), but all good in 2012-2013... |
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Post by Elvado on Feb 6, 2015 11:51:53 GMT -5
Get in bed with the devil and sooner or later....
I have zero sympathy for Christmas or any one else that chose to go play in that cesspool.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 6, 2015 11:58:23 GMT -5
Not a surprise I suppose. Bottom feeder teams who don't qualify for post-season play also get shares, so I guess everyone does. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 6, 2015 12:03:43 GMT -5
SU keeps saying that all of the violations occurred prior to the 2012 season, so (if they are right. . .) the 2012 Big East regular season crown will probably not be impacted. Then again, I could be way off. I will say this in favor of SU (and this may be the only time I ever do so): the NCAA has been investigating the Syracuse program for years, and the hearing before the Committee on Infractions took place at the end of October. This should have come to a conclusion long ago, and it is unfair to the athletes to have this delayed as long as it has been. Irrespective of whether Syracuse deserves the sanctions (and make no mistake, it does), the time delay by the NCAA is wrong. Hopefully they'll move forward on the academic fiasco at North Carolina more expeditiously. Do you know how long it takes to wade through that ocean of slime, muck and (Ma)goo? 7 or 8 years is hardly long enough. Heck, just reviewing all the player/Laurie Fine sex tapes is a couple of years by itself, not to mention the ensuing PTSD therapy time for the investigators. |
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 6, 2015 12:10:38 GMT -5
SU keeps saying that all of the violations occurred prior to the 2012 season, so (if they are right. . .) the 2012 Big East regular season crown will probably not be impacted. Then again, I could be way off. I will say this in favor of SU (and this may be the only time I ever do so): the NCAA has been investigating the Syracuse program for years, and the hearing before the Committee on Infractions took place at the end of October. This should have come to a conclusion long ago, and it is unfair to the athletes to have this delayed as long as it has been. Irrespective of whether Syracuse deserves the sanctions (and make no mistake, it does), the time delay by the NCAA is wrong. Hopefully they'll move forward on the academic fiasco at North Carolina more expeditiously. Do you know how long it takes to wade through that ocean of slime, muck and (Ma)goo? 7 or 8 years is hardly long enough. Heck, just reviewing all the player/Laurie Fine sex tapes is a couple of years by itself, not to mention the ensuing PTSD therapy time for the investigators. To quote Jimmy Fallon, "Eww!" |
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 7, 2015 12:39:48 GMT -5
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Post by ksf42001 on Feb 7, 2015 12:53:53 GMT -5
If Syracuse wanted the investigation that started in 2007 to be completed quickly, they probably shouldn't have continued to commit violations until 2012... |
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 7, 2015 13:47:06 GMT -5
If Syracuse wanted the investigation that started in 2007 to be completed quickly, they probably shouldn't have continued to commit violations until 2012... Details. . .details. And we all know Jimmy Boeheim doesn't deal with off-court details. |
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Post by tashoya on Feb 7, 2015 19:10:43 GMT -5
If Syracuse wanted the investigation that started in 2007 to be completed quickly, they probably shouldn't have continued to commit violations until 2012... Details. . .details. And we all know Jimmy Boeheim doesn't deal with off-court details. Personally, I love the indignation towards the NCAA. Not that they don't deserve a healthy amount but what that idiot is actually angry about isn't the time it has taken. It's the step Syracuse took. The NCAA hasn't made any ruling as yet. Maybe things would happen more quickly if schools like Syracuse didn't keep violating rules that require investigation. Until the NCAA does something, the debacle that has happened so far is on Syracuse and Syracuse alone. They decided to eff over their one senior and now everyone is supposed to be mad at the NCAA for that? His coach and his school did that to him. Not to mention, it's not like those kids didn't know there was an investigation. As that "writer" pointed out, it's been going on since Cooney was a freshman in HS. Cooney and Rak and all of those kids had that information and decided to commit to Southern Canada Community College anyway. Maybe that will be the lesson in all of this. Maybe kids will start to consider the reputation of a program and its status with regard to NCAA investigations before committing. After all, if the NCAA had ever exhibited parity in regard to punishments meted out, it's possible that Rak would never have ended up there in the first place. Hammer the repeat offenders. They've earned it. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 7, 2015 19:19:23 GMT -5
When 5 stars stop going to Kentucky I will believe that slime matters.
As for Suckacuse - the hilarious part is their fans' refusal to acknowledge that by self-imposing a ban, the university had ADMITTED that it cheated! It is just hoping that the punishment won't be worse. The NCAA did not make anything up. They admitted that they got caught. And not just trifling technicalities. Legitimate cheating. Period.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 7, 2015 19:36:54 GMT -5
I'm also amused by the comments from SU board posters that insist that, based upon litigation initiated against the NCAA by Ed O'Bannon, the treasurer of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and a former Southern California football player, that Syracuse should sue if the penalty is unfair, and that the NCAA is fearful of such lawsuit. It's nonsense. No member institution is going to sue the NCAA.
As for the belief that the ACC and other members of the Power 5 will leave the NCAA if disproportionate penalties are imposed against Syracuse and North Carolina, I surmise that anti-trust issues will have Congress step in, especially on behalf of those state-affiliated schools who are not in the Power 5.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 7, 2015 21:40:37 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 8, 2015 6:23:14 GMT -5
If Syracuse wanted the investigation that started in 2007 to be completed quickly, they probably shouldn't have continued to commit violations until 2012... Seth Davis said on the CBS halftime show yesterday that one of the reasons it was taking so long was that Syracuse raised "procedural appeals" on some issues, which has lengthened the process. Don't know what his sources are but he says expect an NCAA report within the next couple of weeks. |
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 8, 2015 14:11:53 GMT -5
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Feb 8, 2015 14:16:10 GMT -5
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Feb 8, 2015 14:17:35 GMT -5
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Post by Filo on Feb 9, 2015 17:39:11 GMT -5
That's fiction. Everyone knows that more than half of the responses would be, "I was in my cell sharpening my shiv..." |
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 9, 2015 17:50:52 GMT -5
There is now a thread in the "NCAA Stuff" section at syracusefan.com titled "Georgetown Fans Still Miss Us," which has a link to the classic Casual Hoya year-by-year recitation of Lower Canada Community College's history of enabling miscreant behavior going back to 1991; the posters there tried to throw back a number of GU issues, all under Pops, but one poster noted (in defense of Georgetown!) that the Hoya players who got in trouble did so only after leaving Georgetown, while the SU basketballers got into trouble while still at school.
What I found interesting was by omission. . .they could not find any issues that they could throw back at us since JT3 took the reins. Not a one. I'd post that there, but I'm looking to avoid them coming here and flaming our board for no good reason.
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