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Post by puppydog100 on Mar 14, 2014 12:04:03 GMT -5
If Georgetown is invited to participate in the NIT, and the Hoyas accept the invitation to play, WE PLAY TO WIN.
All this chatter about using the NIT as exhibition games to groom for next season is nonsense.
Sounds more like you are trying to have an excuse if we are beaten by a lesser opponent.
We have no upside in the NIT, except to get to the final four and have a chance to win it all, especially if we are a #1 seed.
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hoyas1995
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Post by hoyas1995 on Mar 14, 2014 12:07:26 GMT -5
At least in the NIT we CANNOT lose to a double digit seed
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Post by Boz on Mar 14, 2014 12:09:29 GMT -5
I can't believe we are even having this discussion. If we decide to go you go to win. I cannot understand how any serious coach, player or fan could feel any differently. In the immortal words of Herm Edwards, why do you play the games? YOU PLAY TO EVALUATE TALENT AND PLAN FOR THE FUTURE! HELLO?!?!? YOU PLAY TO EVALUATE TALENT AND PLAN FOR THE FUTURE! Wait. That's not it... |
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Post by puppydog100 on Mar 14, 2014 12:16:13 GMT -5
Hoya1995, what would be worse, losing to double digit seed in the NCAA's; or losing to a #8 seed in the NIT that is not in the top 100?
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This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Mar 14, 2014 13:33:50 GMT -5
If this bracket holds up...then another matchup vs Florida Gulf Coast would give the team the chance to avenge last year's NCAA matchup... Everyone should be fired up for that game. Where the hell would this game be played? McDonough? More than likely...yes |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 14, 2014 13:59:49 GMT -5
Win it. This is especially true given JTIII's long history of losing more first round postseason games in 6 years than I believe we did between 1972 and 2004 total. In the NCAA tournament, John Thompson III has won 4 first round games (2006, 2007, 2008, 2012). He's lost three (2010, 2011, and 2013). If you include the NIT first round loss in 2009, then you get to a 4-4 record. In contrast, John Thompson Jr. had first round losses in the NCAA tournament in 1975, 1979, 1981, 1986, and 1997. If you include the NIT, then you add first round losses for 1977, 1998, and 1999. That's 8 total first round post-season losses for John Thompson Jr. compared to 4 for JT3 (obviously, John Thompson Jr.'s tenure was much longer so it's not comparable). If you throw in Esherick, that goes up to 9 (one NIT first round loss). I'd argue that declining the bid in 2002 is tantamount to a loss, too. Oh, and in 2004, we didn't even make the NIT or NCAA, the only time that happened since 1975. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 14, 2014 14:06:28 GMT -5
Win it. This is especially true given JTIII's long history of losing more first round postseason games in 6 years than I believe we did between 1972 and 2004 total. In the NCAA tournament, John Thompson III has won 4 first round games (2006, 2007, 2008, 2012). He's lost three (2010, 2011, and 2013). If you include the NIT first round loss in 2009, then you get to a 4-4 record. In contrast, John Thompson Jr. had first round losses in the NCAA tournament in 1975, 1979, 1981, 1986, and 1997. If you include the NIT, then you add first round losses for 1977, 1998, and 1999. That's 8 total first round post-season losses for John Thompson Jr. compared to 4 for JT3 (obviously, John Thompson Jr.'s tenure was much longer so it's not comparable). If you throw in Esherick, that goes up to 9 (one NIT first round loss). I'd argue that declining the bid in 2002 is tantamount to a loss, too. Oh, and in 2004, we didn't even make the NIT or NCAA, the only time that happened since 1975. Not to quibble, but - if you are going to include JTIII's 2009 NIT loss, you have to include his 2005 win as well.  |
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 14, 2014 14:56:51 GMT -5
In the NCAA tournament, John Thompson III has won 4 first round games (2006, 2007, 2008, 2012). He's lost three (2010, 2011, and 2013). If you include the NIT first round loss in 2009, then you get to a 4-4 record. In contrast, John Thompson Jr. had first round losses in the NCAA tournament in 1975, 1979, 1981, 1986, and 1997. If you include the NIT, then you add first round losses for 1977, 1998, and 1999. That's 8 total first round post-season losses for John Thompson Jr. compared to 4 for JT3 (obviously, John Thompson Jr.'s tenure was much longer so it's not comparable). If you throw in Esherick, that goes up to 9 (one NIT first round loss). I'd argue that declining the bid in 2002 is tantamount to a loss, too. Oh, and in 2004, we didn't even make the NIT or NCAA, the only time that happened since 1975. Not to quibble, but - if you are going to include JTIII's 2009 NIT loss, you have to include his 2005 win as well. Also you need to include Big John's first round NCAA loss in 1976. |
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 14, 2014 16:25:50 GMT -5
And actually 1999 is the Esherick loss as interim so that one is double counted. We beat UVA the next year.
So great history lesson. JTIII has as many first round losses in six years as the previous 26 years ('86, '97 -'99). Is that factually correct?
Also you can check if he has a reputation for this by asking any casual non-Hoya fan friend of yours. It avoids math and looking at hoya history project, as great a site as it is.
Win the NIT.
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Post by hoyas1995 on Mar 14, 2014 16:52:28 GMT -5
In 1998 we beat Florida in the 1st round before lose to Georgia Tech in the 2nd.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 14, 2014 20:05:50 GMT -5
The reason I don't want us in the NIT is that it raises the possibility of one final humiliation this season, a loss to Maryland. I don't believe this Hoya team can beat Maryland and in fact could be blown out by them. I don't think I could take it.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Mar 14, 2014 21:04:57 GMT -5
The only thing we can take away by playing in the NIT is that the players would be playing for pride. They came to NYC expecting to win it all, and they looked past DePaul and got beaten. To win the NIT would restore some pride; that's about all. I agree. I think we definitely looked passed DePaul. Furthermore, I think we have made this mistake several times in the last couple of years. Coach needs to go back to his philosophy of one game at a time. Psychologically our kids need to be convinced that any team on a given night can eat your lunch. Playing an up temper game and developing a killer instinct would help too. |
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