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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 13, 2014 14:00:41 GMT -5
All of the players who hope to return should be in the library and not playing in the NIT unless they are carrying Bs or better in their classes. I'd like to not see a repeat of players flunking off the team and spoiling the season for everyone involved. So we're sending Markel, Nate, and Caprio to the NIT? That's it? What in holy hell are you talking about? |
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 13, 2014 14:04:34 GMT -5
Starting lineup should be DSR, Jabril, Bowen, Cameron and Hayes. Bench rotation of Hopkins, Domingo, Ayegba, Williams and Allen. Starks, Lubick and Caprio should be wearing suits and consider this the first game of their assistant coaching careers. For those that would argue Starks deserves to play, I would tell him it's not worth the risk of injury, assuming he hopes to play basketball next year. You can't be serious. Really. You cannot be serious. |
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Post by strummer8526 on Mar 13, 2014 14:16:25 GMT -5
Starting lineup should be DSR, Jabril, Bowen, Cameron and Hayes. Bench rotation of Hopkins, Domingo, Ayegba, Williams and Allen. Starks, Lubick and Caprio should be wearing suits and consider this the first game of their assistant coaching careers. For those that would argue Starks deserves to play, I would tell him it's not worth the risk of injury, assuming he hopes to play basketball next year. You can't be serious. Really. You cannot be serious. I'd be ok with benching Lubick and Moses in favor of guys who will definitely be on the team next year. Markel can play all five positions, do color commentary, and perform in the halftime show if he wants to. He's earned it. |
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Post by royski on Mar 13, 2014 14:18:42 GMT -5
Are we sure we are guaranteed an NIT bid? We are just 17-14 overall, with a sub-.500, 7th-place finish in a (maybe) 4 bid league, and just lost to Depaul. With the new selection criteria that favor the mid-majors, I am not positive. We're an NIT lock. |
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Post by royski on Mar 13, 2014 14:21:32 GMT -5
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 13, 2014 14:24:58 GMT -5
Even if we lose in the first round of the NIT to a mid-conference team, no results from that tournament are making headlines. We are going and we should. Play hard, fight to win, give everyone minutes. Maybe bench Lubick since he hasn't tried to contribute in a meaningful way all year, Markel still deserves to play with his team that he has fought for. When are the NIT matchups released? Monday or Tuesday? This is crazy! Maybe, he just isn't that good(it happens), but why insult him by saying that he did not try? |
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 13, 2014 14:32:07 GMT -5
Even if we lose in the first round of the NIT to a mid-conference team, no results from that tournament are making headlines. We are going and we should. Play hard, fight to win, give everyone minutes. Maybe bench Lubick since he hasn't tried to contribute in a meaningful way all year, Markel still deserves to play with his team that he has fought for. When are the NIT matchups released? Monday or Tuesday? This is crazy! Maybe, he just isn't that good(it happens), but why insult him by saying that he did not try? When is the last time you saw him take even one dribble inside the 3-pt line when he gets it on the perimeter and his guy is in the paint? Whens the last time you saw him call for the ball when posted up? Whens the last time you saw him even look at the basket? I get that Nate is a "glue guy" that does the little things but when a team is falling apart and is only needs any guy over 6'6" to do anything, the little things are offense. He made no effort to add variety to his game so it didn't even matter that he tried to do the little thing, teams were able to defend them easily. For goodness sakes he was a top 50 recruit, he had a shot in HS, he could score points, how did he get WORSE over 4 years. Maybe it is an insult that I said the whole season but for at least most of Big East play, teams did not need to respect him in the slightest. |
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Post by Hoyaholic on Mar 13, 2014 15:16:33 GMT -5
All of the players who hope to return should be in the library and not playing in the NIT unless they are carrying Bs or better in their classes. I'd like to not see a repeat of players flunking off the team and spoiling the season for everyone involved. Right. They should also all finish their dinners and clean their rooms. Only then should they be allowed to play post-season basketball. (Fun fact: neither of the players who "spoiled our season" were on the team last March.) |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 13, 2014 15:33:35 GMT -5
This is crazy! Maybe, he just isn't that good(it happens), but why insult him by saying that he did not try? When is the last time you saw him take even one dribble inside the 3-pt line when he gets it on the perimeter and his guy is in the paint? Whens the last time you saw him call for the ball when posted up? Whens the last time you saw him even look at the basket? I get that Nate is a "glue guy" that does the little things but when a team is falling apart and is only needs any guy over 6'6" to do anything, the little things are offense. He made no effort to add variety to his game so it didn't even matter that he tried to do the little thing, teams were able to defend them easily. For goodness sakes he was a top 50 recruit, he had a shot in HS, he could score points, how did he get WORSE over 4 years. Maybe it is an insult that I said the whole season but for at least most of Big East play, teams did not need to respect him in the slightest. Nate posted up down low very early last night, and had his defender on his back. Markel fed it to him, and the defender reached around Nate and grabbed, and a foul was called. Nate also posted down low later on, and Hop threw a terrible entry pass for a turnover. I will agree that Nate became far too tentative, and therefore a non-factor on offense, for much of the last 2 months. He did hit a couple of short jumpers late in the season, and took a couple of others that missed, but mostly it seemed he was just trying to stay out of the way, when we needed whatever contribution we could get. Nate has not performed this year - but to say he has not "tried" is far wrong. |
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 13, 2014 15:50:22 GMT -5
You're right FF, I am being too hard, he did try to get in an offensive position 2-3 times in the game. I was actually hopeful that he would have a good game when he was handling the ball with authority early on then he telegraphed a pass and turned it over and lost all confidence. I'm just supremely disappointed that a 4 year starter and pretty good HS player regressed so much on offense.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 13, 2014 16:22:52 GMT -5
You're right FF, I am being too hard, he did try to get in an offensive position 2-3 times in the game. I was actually hopeful that he would have a good game when he was handling the ball with authority early on then he telegraphed a pass and turned it over and lost all confidence. I'm just supremely disappointed that a 4 year starter and pretty good HS player regressed so much on offense. Agree 100%. I thought he would be a solid "glue guy" for our program. Part of the problem may be that you need the parts to "glue" together - but he still did not improve significantly in 4 years. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 13, 2014 18:36:09 GMT -5
Starting lineup should be DSR, Jabril, Bowen, Cameron and Hayes. Bench rotation of Hopkins, Domingo, Ayegba, Williams and Allen. Starks, Lubick and Caprio should be wearing suits and consider this the first game of their assistant coaching careers. For those that would argue Starks deserves to play, I would tell him it's not worth the risk of injury, assuming he hopes to play basketball next year. You can't be serious. Really. You cannot be serious. Completely serious. What is the upside of playing the seniors at this point? NIT games are glorified exhibitions that, on the plus side, can give extra reps to guys that will be on next year's team. That's who should get the reps, not the guys who won't be on next year's team. There is nothing to gain by seeing any more of Lubick and Starks. There's a lot to be gained by seeing if Hayes, Domingo and others can play. |
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 13, 2014 18:52:34 GMT -5
So, you believe that it is good form to tell the seniors that their hard work and effort this year was meaningless, and that non-contributors who have not earned playing time all year should instead get the minutes; we should use the NIT as an extended pre-season exhibition. It is not an exhibition game. It may not be the NCAA, but it is not an exhibition against the Latvian National Team. Maybe my age is showing, but the NIT was a valued tournament and still has some merit. The amount of disrespect that you show for the seniors (which includes Bowen and Ayegba, by the way, who are not guaranteed to be back as grad students next year) in general and Starks in particular is appalling.
You want to protect Starks from injury? It's March. I think, in the unlikely event of an injury, he'd heal up in time for next year.
I get it. You want an excuse to not see Lubick play again. Get over it. You don't have to watch the NIT game(s). Don't penalize the seniors by essentially tossing them onto a refuse heap because you think it's more valuable to get bench warmers more court time.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 13, 2014 19:23:03 GMT -5
Yeah that was silly. There is a difference between giving the bench some extra run, and disrespecting the seniors by excluding them from a postseason tournament, even if it is a consolation tourney.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 13, 2014 21:01:21 GMT -5
I hope we go to this tournament and try to win the thing, just like any other competition. I'm not happy we're in the NIT, but it's not the end of the world. Personally, I'd enjoy watching us play some mid-majors, maybe even on the road, because I think we need all the confidence we can muster against these guys. Play the seniors, they've earned it. Play the young guys, they need all the experience they can get.
Ultimately, how we perform in the NIT this year will say little to nothing about what can be expected of us next year. Our prospects for next year will depend on what the players do after the NIT ends, and they start off-season workouts and really get a chance to see where they can improve. Someone like Cameron has the chance to make big gains as an off-season by working out, studying his film, and focusing on improving. He's not going to miraculously improve by playing three extra games in the NIT. However, as a fan, I'll be watching, and as a fan, I'll be hoping we win each game until the last buzzer sounds in NYC.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 13, 2014 22:01:56 GMT -5
We should play in the NIT and we should play to win. If John Thompson III wants to experiment a little I am fine with that, but you still should play to win. That doesn't mean we trot Domingo, Cameron, and Hayes out there all the time.
I know the NIT is meaningless for the most part, but winning is not meaningless. The NIT has some decent teams - certainly teams that aren't awful (though there are some of those too) - and we should do our best to win them. The whole purpose of competitive sports is to win, and that includes sending out your whole team, seniors included.
I am sure Starks would have loved to have a senior sendoff from the NCAA tournament. Since he cannot do that, how about winning the NIT? It may not be the NCAA, but it's still an accomplishment.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 14, 2014 8:31:37 GMT -5
I can't believe we are even having this discussion. If we decide to go you go to win. I cannot understand how any serious coach, player or fan could feel any differently.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 14, 2014 8:51:20 GMT -5
If this bracket holds up...then another matchup vs Florida Gulf Coast would give the team the chance to avenge last year's NCAA matchup... Everyone should be fired up for that game. |
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 14, 2014 9:31:37 GMT -5
Win it. This is especially true given JTIII's long history of losing more first round postseason games in 6 years than I believe we did between 1972 and 2004 total.
Prove you can win in a knockout tournament nationally. Let the talking heads snicker that it's "only" the NIT. It's important to win and get that mindset of survive and advance.
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Post by hoyas1995 on Mar 14, 2014 11:13:18 GMT -5
If this bracket holds up...then another matchup vs Florida Gulf Coast would give the team the chance to avenge last year's NCAA matchup... Everyone should be fired up for that game. Where the hell would this game be played? McDonough? |
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