NIT bound

[futbola3]

Every time you want to believe that this team has turned the corner finally figured it out we get a result like the Nova game. Seems to happen every time after a good win. As a long time follower it's clear that this team is just not that good. Good Hoya teams of the past were always competitive regardless of opponent or site. This team just can't compete away from home getting blown out in 3 of their last 4 Marquette the exception. It may be a good thing that we likely play DePaul first round of conference tournament cuz butler likely would beat Hoyas having won their last 2 by blowouts of their own. Looks like they may have figured things out

[FrazierFanatic]

Mar 8, 2014 20:22:15 GMT -5 futbola3 said:

Every time you want to believe that this team has turned the corner finally figured it out we get a result like the Nova game. Seems to happen every time after a good win. As a long time follower it's clear that this team is just not that good. Good Hoya teams of the past were always competitive regardless of opponent or site. This team just can't compete away from home getting blown out in 3 of their last 4 Marquette the exception. It may be a good thing that we likely play DePaul first round of conference tournament cuz butler likely would beat Hoyas having won their last 2 by blowouts of their own. Looks like they may have figured things out

Thanks for joining up. Always a pleasure to have another Hoya booster on the site!

[Just Cos]

Can we ban first time posters from starting a new thread?

[hoyas1995]

Im sure we'll never see him post again

[hoyainspirit]

Welcome, futbola3.

[GUJook97]

It's not like there isn't any logic to what's happening to this team. We are not very good on the road. We are 2-8. We are pretty good at home. We are decent in neutral courts. We all wanted to believe we were going to beat a team that is projected to be a #1 team in the tourney in the road, but it's sort of logical what happened, no?

I hate to say it, but it does really seem that our season will come down to those annoying losses at home to Seton hall and Marquette. Although I think we would still have to do something in the BET anyway.

[skyhoya]

If we end up in the NIT, I would use it for development time and play the team that is expected to play next year about 10 minutes each half so that coach can see what they need to do improve under competition situations. NIT winners generally go to the dance the next year. Being the ultimate fan, I would to like to see the HOYAS get on a roll and win the BET, however.

[This Just In]

Mar 8, 2014 20:22:15 GMT -5 futbola3 said:

Every time you want to believe that this team has turned the corner finally figured it out we get a result like the Nova game. Seems to happen every time after a good win. As a long time follower it's clear that this team is just not that good. Good Hoya teams of the past were always competitive regardless of opponent or site. This team just can't compete away from home getting blown out in 3 of their last 4 Marquette the exception. It may be a good thing that we likely play DePaul first round of conference tournament cuz butler likely would beat Hoyas having won their last 2 by blowouts of their own. Looks like they may have figured things out

Welcome to the board.

Along with other posters...either the NCAA or NIT, I will be rooting and watching the team play for as long as this season may last.

[hoyazeke]

This game was simply about a bad match-up. We don't match-up well with teams that are undersized and guard driven. It's been that way since III has been here. We have an excellent draw with Nova, St.J, and Prov all on the opposite side of the draw. I'm not saying we will beat Creighton (or even DePaul) but it will be a more competitive game than what we saw on Saturday. I really like our chances of making the finals. That should be enough for us to make the tourney. I know that's a big "IF"..............

[FrazierFanatic]

Mar 10, 2014 8:12:05 GMT -5 skyhoya said:

If we end up in the NIT, I would use it for development time and play the team that is expected to play next year about 10 minutes each half so that coach can see what they need to do improve under competition situations. NIT winners generally go to the dance the next year. Being the ultimate fan, I would to like to see the HOYAS get on a roll and win the BET, however.

Much of the team that is expected to play next year is still in high school(or ineligible) . Almost all of the players on the current squad who can be expected to contribute next year are already getting more than 10 minutes a half. If NIT winners generally go the NCAA's the next year - wouldn't we want to actually do everything we could to win the NIT if we end up there?

Finally, as I said above - Please PM me a video of you telling Markel that his playing time is going to be drastically reduced so that we can work on next year's team.

[Filo]

Mar 10, 2014 9:02:57 GMT -5 hoyazeke said:

This game was simply about a bad match-up. We don't match-up well with teams that are undersized and guard driven. It's been that way since III has been here. We have an excellent draw with Nova, St.J, and Prov all on the opposite side of the draw. I'm not saying we will beat Creighton (or even DePaul) but it will be a more competitive game than what we saw on Saturday. I really like our chances of making the finals. That should be enough for us to make the tourney. I know that's a big "IF"..............

Like the optimism but we are not making the NCAA tournament unless we win the BET.

[FrazierFanatic]

Mar 10, 2014 9:35:12 GMT -5 Filo said:

Mar 10, 2014 9:02:57 GMT -5 hoyazeke said:

This game was simply about a bad match-up. We don't match-up well with teams that are undersized and guard driven. It's been that way since III has been here. We have an excellent draw with Nova, St.J, and Prov all on the opposite side of the draw. I'm not saying we will beat Creighton (or even DePaul) but it will be a more competitive game than what we saw on Saturday. I really like our chances of making the finals. That should be enough for us to make the tourney. I know that's a big "IF"..............

Like the optimism but we are not making the NCAA tournament unless we win the BET.

Not necessarily true, but I would just as soon not have to find out.

[skyhoya]

Mar 10, 2014 9:22:58 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

Mar 10, 2014 8:12:05 GMT -5 skyhoya said:

If we end up in the NIT, I would use it for development time and play the team that is expected to play next year about 10 minutes each half so that coach can see what they need to do improve under competition situations. NIT winners generally go to the dance the next year. Being the ultimate fan, I would to like to see the HOYAS get on a roll and win the BET, however.

Much of the team that is expected to play next year is still in high school(or ineligible) . Almost all of the players on the current squad who can be expected to contribute next year are already getting more than 10 minutes a half. If NIT winners generally go the NCAA's the next year - wouldn't we want to actually do everything we could to win the NIT if we end up there?

Finally, as I said above - Please PM me a video of you telling Markel that his playing time is going to be drastically reduced so that we can work on next year's team.

Since III doesn't do one and done, are you saying that we aren't going anywhere next year? III likes to bring freshman along, so we are going to be far away from winning the BE next year.

[FrazierFanatic]

Mar 10, 2014 10:42:09 GMT -5 skyhoya said:

Mar 10, 2014 9:22:58 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

Much of the team that is expected to play next year is still in high school(or ineligible) . Almost all of the players on the current squad who can be expected to contribute next year are already getting more than 10 minutes a half. If NIT winners generally go the NCAA's the next year - wouldn't we want to actually do everything we could to win the NIT if we end up there?

Finally, as I said above - Please PM me a video of you telling Markel that his playing time is going to be drastically reduced so that we can work on next year's team.

Since III doesn't do one and done, are you saying that we aren't going anywhere next year? III likes to bring freshman along, so we are going to be far away from winning the BE next year.

We will be a better team because we are replacing one huge contributor with 4 guys who can all contribute, plus Smith if he gets it together. DSR got plenty of time as a freshman, especially when he proved he could produce. Reggie got a fair amount of time, but just wasn't ready yet. With the disappointment (so far) of this season, and the limitations of some of the guys coming back,I have no doubt that the newcomers will get plenty of chances to prove themselves. Will we win the BET? Right now that would be a tall order. But we will have a much better chance than this year. And while we all hope our bench players can produce more next year, the incoming freshman + Joshua will have much more to say about our ultimate success.

[Filo]

Mar 10, 2014 10:54:01 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

Mar 10, 2014 10:42:09 GMT -5 skyhoya said:

Since III doesn't do one and done, are you saying that we aren't going anywhere next year? III likes to bring freshman along, so we are going to be far away from winning the BE next year.

We will be a better team because we are replacing one huge contributor with 4 guys who can all contribute, plus Smith if he gets it together. DSR got plenty of time as a freshman, especially when he proved he could produce. Reggie got a fair amount of time, but just wasn't ready yet. With the disappointment (so far) of this season, and the limitations of some of the guys coming back,I have no doubt that the newcomers will get plenty of chances to prove themselves. Will we win the BET? Right now that would be a tall order. But we will have a much better chance than this year. And while we all hope our bench players can produce more next year, the incoming freshman + Joshua will have much more to say about our ultimate success.

Agree.  Of course, the wild card is always whether this freshman or that freshman will be able to contribute right away especially because JTIII's "system" usually requires a significant adjustment and there is a learning curve. I am pretty hopeful that the guys coming in will be able to come right in and do well, but we will have to wait and see. My bigger concern is usually whether the incoming players will be given the opportunity to contribute right away, since JTIII does seem to take his time in letting the newcomers get their PT (the few exceptions notwithstanding). However, this latter concern is pretty much a non-issue for next season -- there is just not enough pre-existing talent on the roster to give JTIII the luxury of slowly bringing the freshman up-to-speed. I am glad for that! I want to see these freshman playing from the get-go.

[FrazierFanatic]

Mar 10, 2014 12:45:34 GMT -5 Filo said:

Mar 10, 2014 10:54:01 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

We will be a better team because we are replacing one huge contributor with 4 guys who can all contribute, plus Smith if he gets it together. DSR got plenty of time as a freshman, especially when he proved he could produce. Reggie got a fair amount of time, but just wasn't ready yet. With the disappointment (so far) of this season, and the limitations of some of the guys coming back,I have no doubt that the newcomers will get plenty of chances to prove themselves. Will we win the BET? Right now that would be a tall order. But we will have a much better chance than this year. And while we all hope our bench players can produce more next year, the incoming freshman + Joshua will have much more to say about our ultimate success.

Agree.  Of course, the wild card is always whether this freshman or that freshman will be able to contribute right away especially because JTIII's "system" usually requires a significant adjustment and there is a learning curve. I am pretty hopeful that the guys coming in will be able to come right in and do well, but we will have to wait and see. My bigger concern is usually whether the incoming players will be given the opportunity to contribute right away, since JTIII does seem to take his time in letting the newcomers get their PT (the few exceptions notwithstanding). However, this latter concern is pretty much a non-issue for next season -- there is just not enough pre-existing talent on the roster to give JTIII the luxury of slowly bringing the freshman up-to-speed. I am glad for that! I want to see these freshman playing from the get-go.

Exactly. Next season is an entirely different situation.

[bmartin]

Mar 10, 2014 12:45:34 GMT -5 Filo said:

Mar 10, 2014 10:54:01 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

We will be a better team because we are replacing one huge contributor with 4 guys who can all contribute, plus Smith if he gets it together. DSR got plenty of time as a freshman, especially when he proved he could produce. Reggie got a fair amount of time, but just wasn't ready yet. With the disappointment (so far) of this season, and the limitations of some of the guys coming back,I have no doubt that the newcomers will get plenty of chances to prove themselves. Will we win the BET? Right now that would be a tall order. But we will have a much better chance than this year. And while we all hope our bench players can produce more next year, the incoming freshman + Joshua will have much more to say about our ultimate success.

Agree.  Of course, the wild card is always whether this freshman or that freshman will be able to contribute right away especially because JTIII's "system" usually requires a significant adjustment and there is a learning curve. I am pretty hopeful that the guys coming in will be able to come right in and do well, but we will have to wait and see. My bigger concern is usually whether the incoming players will be given the opportunity to contribute right away, since JTIII does seem to take his time in letting the newcomers get their PT (the few exceptions notwithstanding). However, this latter concern is pretty much a non-issue for next season -- there is just not enough pre-existing talent on the roster to give JTIII the luxury of slowly bringing the freshman up-to-speed. I am glad for that! I want to see these freshman playing from the get-go.

The offense itself is not that hard to learn - it is learning versatile skills that takes time. If a freshman can dribble, pass, and shoot, he will pick up the offense right away, as with Jeff Green, Jon Wallace, Greg Monroe, Otto Porter. If a player can do some but not all of those things, he will get a chance to play if he also can play decent defense. If he is just a shooter who can't handle the ball or defend a position, then he isn't ready to play major college basketball.

[skyhoya]

Since I started the discussion about next year, it appears that what I said has hit a brick wall. What I meant was that we should play Hayes and Domingo for III to see if they have the talent to continue. Generally, after sophomore years, there is a decision to make about their future. This was true for Baby Doc, Vern Mack, Wattad, Jerelle, Vee and others. Some plays just aren’t high major players, some are and some will never fit in the system. The question is it worth $100K a player investment for those sophs or should we look elsewhere or get our own transfers. As a booster, I hate to see upperclassmen scholie sit at the end of the bench.

[bmartin]

And just about everyone said play to win.

You don't sit Trawick, Bowen, and Cameron to give Domingo minutes if he hasn't earned them.

Hayes is getting a couple of minutes now, but as a player who takes up space and gives us more fouls. Even if he were to play 10 minutes, we are not going to feed him the ball so you aren't going to find out anything we don't already know.

[FrazierFanatic]

Mar 10, 2014 14:22:11 GMT -5 skyhoya said:

Since I started the discussion about next year, it appears that what I said has hit a brick wall. What I meant was that we should play Hayes and Domingo for III to see if they have the talent to continue. Generally, after sophomore years, there is a decision to make about their future. This was true for Baby Doc, Vern Mack, Wattad, Jerelle, Vee and others. Some plays just aren’t high major players, some are and some will never fit in the system. The question is it worth $100K a player investment for those sophs or should we look elsewhere or get our own transfers. As a booster, I hate to see upperclassmen scholie sit at the end of the bench.

We all knew what you meant. Playing Domingo 20 minutes a half is directly counter to trying to win the NIT. Giving Hayes a few more minutes, depending on the match-ups, is a closer call since our big men have been mostly unproductive lately, but 10 minutes a half just for the sake of evaluating him for next year seems excessive - unless he gets 3-4 minutes and produces enough to earn the extra PT.