hoyaLS05
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Mar 4, 2013 14:05:32 GMT -5
Too lazy/busy to check--who does Poll Tracker say had us lowest? Randy Rosetta of the New Orleans Times-Picayune who had us at #12. Next lowest was one voter had us at #9. This gentleman has had us several spots lower than all of his colleagues for weeks now. He has explained that our losses to Pitt by 28 and at USF are unforgivable. Strangely, he has no real problem with Miami, which lost to some terrible teams early, and Michigan, which lost to PSU last week. |
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Post by GUMBA on Mar 4, 2013 14:20:04 GMT -5
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 4, 2013 14:33:56 GMT -5
Tweet him. @kevins980 If you heard it, that really sucked.
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Jack
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Post by Jack on Mar 4, 2013 14:43:40 GMT -5
It is good to be Duke when you can go 1-1 with a loss to a team on the NCAA bubble and a narrow home win when one player has fluky shooting night and pick up 5 first-place votes you didn't have last week. espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankingsSo I assume we could go lose at Nova and win a tight one against Cuse on Saturday and we would gain momentum for No. 1 overall. Seems plausible. To really make the comparison complete, I think Whittington would need to come back and torch Cuse for 36. For the record, I would take that series of events, even if the AP voters might not cut the Hoyas as much slack. |
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 4, 2013 15:04:09 GMT -5
Was Duke's win on Saturday really that great? It was a home win against a team they came into the game ranked higher than. I agree the loss at UVA wasn't a bad loss, but if Duke doesn't drop this week it is entirely due to Ryan Kelly's performance (I can't believe I just said that). He had an incredible game, and now (if you listen to ESPN) Duke is a complete team that can make a deep run. But it will be interesting to see this week whether that was a one off emotion driven fluke, or whether he really has turned into this year's Ryan Zoubek. This caused me to look back into the Zoubek archive. Hilarity ensued. From his Wikipedia page, on life after basketball: After working with a technology start-up for year, Zoubek decided to follow his own "dreams" and open his own bakery, named Dream Puffz, which specializes in cream puffs. Dream Puffz opened in Haddonfield, New Jersey on July 30, 2012. However, Zoubek shut down Dream Puffz on February 16, 2013 to pursue real estate opportunities. Zoubek said he is in negotiations to sell the rights to the Dream Puffz name.He should license the name back to Duke... Deadspin, as you can imagine, has been following that story closely and with a lot of mirth. |
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hoyajmw
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Post by hoyajmw on Mar 4, 2013 15:20:31 GMT -5
In contrast to the twerp Sheehan, Al Galdi -- also a Terp grad -- on Saturday on 980 did another great segment on the Hoyas (College basketball, led by discussion of Hoyas, his #1 story of the week; followed by long segment in depth analyzing the team). Really knows and appreciates the team and, while saying "if Georgetown played Maryland 100 times, I'd root for Maryland every time," he hasn't let his (understandable) roots/rooting interest get in the way of appreciating the Hoyas as a fan and knowing them for professional reasons.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Mar 4, 2013 17:04:21 GMT -5
Sagarin provides a useful example to show the differences between a margin of victory based metric and a pure "won/loss, who did you beat and I don't care by how much metric" since it combines the two methodologies. Sagarin has a "Predictor" component in which we rank 14th and which is based on margin of victor. We are 16th in Pomeroy which is all margin of victory, but the difference between 14th and 16th is a tiny amount. Sagarin's other component is called ELO and does not consider margin of victory, and we rank 4th by that metric. To get a good sense of just how the start of the season hurt us follow the link to ESPN's BPI page for Georgetown which helpfully lists individual game BPIs (BPI is their attempt to play the margin of victory game with a couple of twists) espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/bpi/_/id/46/year/2013You can see the impact of some of our early season cupcake games where we did not crush the cupcake. Thanks for the BPI game log link, HoyaChris. As crzyhoya also noted, the Hoyas' BPI over the 11-game win streak is 94.4. By comparison, these are the season scores for the top 5 in the BPI. 1. Indiana 90.6 2. Louisville 90.4 3. Duke 89.7 4. Florida 89.4 5. Gonzaga 87.2 16. Georgetown 82.6 (driven down mostly by three games: Duquesne 54.4, Liberty 54.6, and Pitt 29.9). There is no way that the Hoyas could make up the ground in the BPI from those first two games regardless of how well they've played lately, and the worst score in a game during the win streak is 86.3 against UConn. But it's also clear that no team in college basketball has played as well since January 20th than our Hoyas. |
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 4, 2013 18:09:37 GMT -5
It seems like a system like this should weight the team's last 1/3 games as smidge more than its middle 1/3 games and weight the middle 1/3 games a smidge more than the team's first 1/3 games.
Just sayin'. That would capture the "hot team" effect and be more predictive of who is play best at the end of the season.
Something like 37% 33% 30%...
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GUMBA
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Post by GUMBA on Mar 4, 2013 18:44:20 GMT -5
So BPI encourages a coach to keep in his starters and never play the bench even in blow out games? That's wonderful. Really great for the other non-starter student athletes and giving your bench valuable in game experience. No wonder most teams play an eight man rotation.
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richfame
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Post by richfame on Mar 4, 2013 19:31:18 GMT -5
I think the number 5 slot is awful. We should definitley be 3 in the country. How could they put Indiana and duke ahead of us?
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mapei
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Post by mapei on Mar 4, 2013 22:04:00 GMT -5
Are you guys actually complaining about being ranked #5 in the country? Really? I consider it an honor. And while, yes, we could beat some teams ranked ahead of us, we could also lose to some ranked below, especially Miami. Heck, on a given night we could beat or lose to almost anybody. Even against Rutgers it took 40 FT attempts to win.
I think getting this kind of recognition for our program is fantastic.
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Post by HoyaLawya on Mar 4, 2013 23:34:59 GMT -5
Two Jesuit schools with the initials GU in the top 5: Nice! I feel no affinity whatsoever for Gonzaga and hope they lose in the WCC tournament so we can move ahead of them. Thanks, Nevada ... the Kennel Krazies along with the rest of the WCC will be heading in your general direction for their Vegas tourney. Posting bail is purely an optional exercise -- not part of the Ignatian Spiritual Exercises, last I checked.  I'll be in New Jersey and missing out on all that fun due to travel slated the following week to Spokane to celebrate, along with a couple hundred classmates and schoolmates, the 92nd birthday of a much beloved Jesuit (and Irishman!) now in declining health at St. Paddy's. Sports mean a lot ... but honoring human beings who've been formative in the lives of their students and academic advisees means even more. Eh, Big Dog ... as a graduate of both of the G.U.'s, East and West, the ascending ranking of both of the schools finds me feeling like birthday and Christmas "gifts" arrived all on the same day. Only a tie for #1 would be better. That would be good for tossing in a New Year's Eve, too. Here's how the #1 voting ran with, as I predicted, some more splitting of the #1 position. Zags got 51 votes at that rank out of the 65 votes. Quite honestly, I expected they might get the rank with more like a 40-vote plurality. But since the #1 perch seems to be a here today/gone tomorrow phenom, it's something they probably won't hold onto beyond one week, even if they win the WCC tourney crown. Too many other significant games in better regarded conferences are coming up in the remaining regular season for those whose own tourneys are a week later than the so-called mid-major leagues. It's nice that a team from a tiny school in a remote outpost of the country broke some new ground that'll produce a few news clippings to be scrap-booked by their students and fans. But that's about all the more importance that most longtime Zag followers are going to invest in today's news. www.pollspeak.com/component/option,com_psreport/Itemid,3/lang,en/p,49/r,T/s,22/t1,124/v,162/w,18/ In looking over all the statistical comments and exchanges that might have been set off by the earlier link to the nitty gritty report, the ONE GAME that just IRKS me and might have been a difference maker for the Hoyas is the one that had to be stopped at the half, due to rain. Against Florida. We were only down by 4, so it was possibly a winnable game if it had been played to completion (or re-scheduled). If it had been won, at that neutral site, it might have provided the kind of statistical "tip" that made a world of difference in a year with so much parity, and where no team is clearly dominating. I don't know if somebody has the quant skills to run the numbers to see where a Hoyas win of that game by a narrow margin (3 or 4 points) might put us along some kind of S curve. But a win against a team that's now at the top of the SEC, and the only one ranked top 25 (at 11) from that conference, would have been nice. Polls are a fleeting popularity contest. Seedings are helpful but probably not too determinative as long as they're higher, rather than lower, and prompt the Committee to put a team closer to its fan base, than not. But this is the time of year when talk is fun and only "Just WIN!" gets 'er done.  |
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Post by bigelephant on Mar 5, 2013 8:51:28 GMT -5
Since Pomeroy has us as #16 ( with his statisical commputerized analysis) the coaches of every team we play from here on in will have the #5 on the Bulletin Board as the TARGET and #16 to show his team we can be beaten!
I don't like this one little bit!!!!!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 5, 2013 9:25:31 GMT -5
Since Pomeroy has us as #16 ( with his statisical commputerized analysis) the coaches of every team we play from here on in will have the #5 on the Bulletin Board as the TARGET and #16 to show his team we can be beaten! I don't like this one little bit!!!!! Are we really concerned because other teams may try harder to beat us? I think a lot of this focus on rankings and its effect on the team is overdone and doesn't make a huge difference. Given the nature of our coach and players, I don't think being ranked number 5 will be a detriment in any way. We are 5 because we are better than most and we can compete with and defeat anybody. The rankings are great for exposure and a positive. I don't buy into the "we are a target now" mentality. We just need to keep doing what we have been doing and it won't matter if other teams target us. |
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CTHoya08
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 5, 2013 10:29:36 GMT -5
Jay Wright will tell his players to foul us regardless of where we are ranked.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 5, 2013 10:56:38 GMT -5
Jay Wright will tell his players to foul us regardless of where we are ranked. No doubt. I hate Villanova. |
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Post by biggmanu on Mar 5, 2013 10:59:21 GMT -5
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Post by HoNYaSaxa on Mar 5, 2013 11:21:19 GMT -5
Want no part of an 8-seed team like NC State in the second round, with multiple skilled big bodies, decent defense and quality outside shooters. Their eFG and RPI profiles read more like a 5 seed, and they are more than capable of outperforming that seed as well. They're talented, and last year still stings.
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Post by HoyaLawya on Mar 5, 2013 14:38:16 GMT -5
Interesting comment from Joe Lunardi in today's online chat. Moe (Spokane, WA) Do G'Town and Kansas really have better resumes than Duke? Joe Lunardi (2:18 PM) Probably, but my problem with Duke is I can't now elevate them ahead of Miami (whom they still trail by two games in the ACC). Win a rubber game or wait for one of the current No. 1 seeds to lose. Given the path of this season, it shouldn't be a very long wait. Kristen (Philly) Of your current "Last 4 in" who has the highest chances of making the dance? Joe Lunardi (2:26 PM) Might be Villanova, given how well they have played at Wells Fargo Center with Georgetown coming in. No one else has an opportunity like that independent of their conference tourney pairings. espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/47260/bracketologist-joe-lunardi |
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I'll be in New Jersey and missing out on all that fun due to travel slated the following week to Spokane to celebrate, along with a couple hundred classmates and schoolmates, the 92nd birthday of a much beloved Jesuit (and Irishman!) now in declining health at St. Paddy's. Sports mean a lot ... but honoring human beings who've been formative in the lives of their students and academic advisees means even more. 
