Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 4, 2013 12:44:20 GMT -5
Two Jesuit schools with the initials GU in the top 5: Nice! I feel no affinity whatsoever for Gonzaga and hope they lose in the WCC tournament so we can move ahead of them. |
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guru
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Post by guru on Mar 4, 2013 12:45:22 GMT -5
Not sure where this fits, but the Terps fan radio host on ESPN 980 - the station that carries our games, mind you - just said that he will be rooting for the Hoyas to lose in the first round, especially if they're a 1 seed.
Great to have such fantastic support from our media partners.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Mar 4, 2013 12:49:08 GMT -5
I am not going to quibble too much with number 5, but it suggests to me that the Hoyas are still under-valued given their performance. 11-0 run in one of the top two conferences in the country, including wins at ND, Cincy, Cuse and UConn and over Louisville and Marquette at home? C'mon, that's just flat-out awesome. If an ACC team, for example, did something like that they would easily be number 1. Whatever. Just keep winning.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 4, 2013 12:51:46 GMT -5
Sagarin provides a useful example to show the differences between a margin of victory based metric and a pure "won/loss, who did you beat and I don't care by how much metric" since it combines the two methodologies. Sagarin has a "Predictor" component in which we rank 14th and which is based on margin of victor. We are 16th in Pomeroy which is all margin of victory, but the difference between 14th and 16th is a tiny amount. Sagarin's other component is called ELO and does not consider margin of victory, and we rank 4th by that metric. To get a good sense of just how the start of the season hurt us follow the link to ESPN's BPI page for Georgetown which helpfully lists individual game BPIs (BPI is their attempt to play the margin of victory game with a couple of twists) espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/bpi/_/id/46/year/2013You can see the impact of some of our early season cupcake games where we did not crush the cupcake. MOV systems also aren't very impressed by the Indiana game -- because it ignores the fact that it went to OT. That's just a 10 point loss to it -- better than beating Duquesne by less than 10 but not as impressive as I think a lot of voters feel. |
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 4, 2013 12:54:22 GMT -5
BPI is weird. They claim they adjust for H/A but what is going on with the Marquette games?
We lose by 1 at Marquette, then win by 8 at home and the BPI is massively different. Except the generally accepted HCA is 4 points versus a neutral floor -- so expected H/A swing is about 8. Our difference was 9 -- we really didn't outperform at home versus at Marquette all that much once you account for home court.
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Post by fsohoya on Mar 4, 2013 12:58:54 GMT -5
Not sure where this fits, but the Terps fan radio host on ESPN 980 - the station that carries our games, mind you - just said that he will be rooting for the Hoyas to lose in the first round, especially if they're a 1 seed. Great to have such fantastic support from our media partners. Who was this? Sheehan? If so, I think he is a Terp. And he has to root against us, because Maryland won't be in it to root for. |
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This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Mar 4, 2013 13:00:22 GMT -5
Not sure where this fits, but the Terps fan radio host on ESPN 980 - the station that carries our games, mind you - just said that he will be rooting for the Hoyas to lose in the first round, especially if they're a 1 seed.
Great to have such fantastic support from our media partners. hoyainspirit..said the same thing too in another thread...odd commentary from Kevin Sheehan |
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Post by fsohoya on Mar 4, 2013 13:02:09 GMT -5
Not sure where this fits, but the Terps fan radio host on ESPN 980 - the station that carries our games, mind you - just said that he will be rooting for the Hoyas to lose in the first round, especially if they're a 1 seed.
Great to have such fantastic support from our media partners. hoyainspirit..said the same thing too in another thread...odd commentary from Kevin Sheehan Did he give some reason? |
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 4, 2013 13:06:19 GMT -5
Cause he's a twerp first, even before being a broadcaster. Never mind that his station hosts our games, that our winning is good for this mkt and his station, as his broadcast partner pointed out. He's jealous, and it just came thru big time. Actually, I thought that was way over the top.
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guru
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Post by guru on Mar 4, 2013 13:07:39 GMT -5
Not sure where this fits, but the Terps fan radio host on ESPN 980 - the station that carries our games, mind you - just said that he will be rooting for the Hoyas to lose in the first round, especially if they're a 1 seed. Great to have such fantastic support from our media partners. Who was this? Sheehan? If so, I think he is a Terp. And he has to root against us, because Maryland won't be in it to root for. Yeah, Sheehan. I mean, it's not a surprise. Shows the depths the Terps have fallen to. And that some of the lack of coverage in the area is driven by antipathy towards our program, and not just apathy. |
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 4, 2013 13:10:23 GMT -5
Georgetown has always been at its best when we've been hated. Bring it on.
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Air Jordan
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Post by Air Jordan on Mar 4, 2013 13:14:20 GMT -5
Just keep winning, all that matters hell with the rest of it
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Post by crzyhoya on Mar 4, 2013 13:18:04 GMT -5
If you take our BPI since the USF game, it's 94.4. The wins against Duquesne and Liberty were almost as bad as the loss to USF, and worse than the loss to Marquette. And those who say that the BPI accounts for Whittington being gone haven't looked at the numbers. I still think the BPI is seriously flawed, though.
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HoyaChris
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 4, 2013 13:21:34 GMT -5
Sagarin provides a useful example to show the differences between a margin of victory based metric and a pure "won/loss, who did you beat and I don't care by how much metric" since it combines the two methodologies. Sagarin has a "Predictor" component in which we rank 14th and which is based on margin of victor. We are 16th in Pomeroy which is all margin of victory, but the difference between 14th and 16th is a tiny amount. Sagarin's other component is called ELO and does not consider margin of victory, and we rank 4th by that metric. To get a good sense of just how the start of the season hurt us follow the link to ESPN's BPI page for Georgetown which helpfully lists individual game BPIs (BPI is their attempt to play the margin of victory game with a couple of twists) espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/bpi/_/id/46/year/2013You can see the impact of some of our early season cupcake games where we did not crush the cupcake. MOV systems also aren't very impressed by the Indiana game -- because it ignores the fact that it went to OT. That's just a 10 point loss to it -- better than beating Duquesne by less than 10 but not as impressive as I think a lot of voters feel. If Pomeroy was just a Margin of Victory system, you could deal with the overtime problem by suppressing the overtime results to represent a one point victory or even a tie. I emailed KenPom after the game and suggested as much. The email I received back said that doing so would screw up the per possession efficiencies that are at the core of their team ratings and score estimates, as well as the individual player metrics. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 4, 2013 13:26:26 GMT -5
It is good to be Duke when you can go 1-1 with a loss to a team on the NCAA bubble and a narrow home win when one player has fluky shooting night and pick up 5 first-place votes you didn't have last week. espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankingsSo I assume we could go lose at Nova and win a tight one against Cuse on Saturday and we would gain momentum for No. 1 overall. Seems plausible. Suckacuse ain't no Miami. |
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 4, 2013 13:35:24 GMT -5
So I assume we could go lose at Nova and win a tight one against Cuse on Saturday and we would gain momentum for No. 1 overall. Seems plausible. Suckacuse ain't no Miami. Think he was kidding. |
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sead43
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Post by sead43 on Mar 4, 2013 13:39:14 GMT -5
Hoyas first place votes came from Kevin Dunleavy of The Washington Examiner and Scott Wolf of the Los Angeles Daily News. www.pollspeak.com/component/option,com_psreport/Itemid,3/lang,en/p,49/p_1,49/r,T/r_1,T/s,22/s_1,22/t1,121/t1_1,121/t2,0/t2_1,0/v,0/v_1,0/w,18/w_1,18/ |
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 4, 2013 13:39:51 GMT -5
Hoyas first place votes came from Kevin Dunleavy of The Washington Examiner and Scott Wolf of the Los Angeles Daily News. www.pollspeak.com/component/option,com_psreport/Itemid,3/lang,en/p,49/p_1,49/r,T/r_1,T/s,22/s_1,22/t1,121/t1_1,121/t2,0/t2_1,0/v,0/v_1,0/w,18/w_1,18/ Too lazy/busy to check--who does Poll Tracker say had us lowest? |
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sead43
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Post by sead43 on Mar 4, 2013 13:41:46 GMT -5
Hoyas first place votes came from Kevin Dunleavy of The Washington Examiner and Scott Wolf of the Los Angeles Daily News. www.pollspeak.com/component/option,com_psreport/Itemid,3/lang,en/p,49/p_1,49/r,T/r_1,T/s,22/s_1,22/t1,121/t1_1,121/t2,0/t2_1,0/v,0/v_1,0/w,18/w_1,18/ Too lazy/busy to check--who does Poll Tracker say had us lowest? Randy Rosetta of the New Orleans Times-Picayune who had us at #12. Next lowest was one voter had us at #9. |
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sead43
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Post by sead43 on Mar 4, 2013 13:44:32 GMT -5
Seth Davis and Dick Vitale have us at 4 and Feinstein has us at 3.
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