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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 12, 2013 15:29:20 GMT -5
How about this - we put the students only behind one basket, like we did my first two years (2003-05), which would put the student section around 1,000+, much more reasonable for a school of our size. Then let's put the Stonewalls/other Young Alumni behind the other basket? I think that's a simple, effective solution. We'd then have an overflow student section for the bigger weekend games that have more draw. Thoughts? (EDIT: Attendance figures from 1978 onward, if you're interested - www.hoyabasketball.com/records/attendance.htm)I like that idea a lot and think it would help incorporate more young alums into the whole Stonewall thing. My section is definitely up for the games, and there's a good amount of cheering/clapping/general activity. I could see folks getting even more into it if we're all in one place rather than scattered on the corners.
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Post by 71hoya on Feb 12, 2013 15:57:04 GMT -5
I know there is nothing that can be done to change it, but the student section, behind the basketball, is the absolute worst place to watch a game. As all games are now viewable, either on tv or computer, there is not the need to trudge down to the the booth to see the game.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Feb 12, 2013 15:58:54 GMT -5
I know there is nothing that can be done to change it, but the student section, behind the basketball, is the absolute worst place to watch a game. As all games are now viewable, either on tv or computer, there is not the need to trudge down to the the booth to see the game. Auburn has a new arena and only gets about as many fans as we do, but they did it right when they built the place by putting the students right down by the floor.
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Post by biggmanu on Feb 12, 2013 16:03:40 GMT -5
Beat Cinci, and they will come.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 12, 2013 17:17:24 GMT -5
Love what the Stonewalls are doing. Kudos to you guys, especially for the great signage so far. Keep it up!
That said, we do need more students at the games, especially if both sides are going to be open for students. Why did they stop shuttling kids in buses? When I was there (03-07), getting to games was no trouble at all. Pound beers/shots in your room for a good couple hours and stumble down to the lot behind Leo's and hop on a bus with a bunch of other drunken screaming students. It was part of the gameday experience. Those rides were pretty fun and the rides home after big wins were even more fun.
If it was a cost-cutting measure, I would think with the increase in revenue from the new TV deal (assuming the numbers we've all heard are at least somewhat accurate) the school could afford to go back to providing transportation for the students. Or was there another reason they stopped?
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 12, 2013 17:21:09 GMT -5
If the Stonewalls really want to change things, they will do anything in there power to ban anymore advertisement reading by Father McFadden during timeouts. I love the guy, but those moments with no music and no band absolutely kill crowd noise.
In addition, sorry band alums, but the band should really be barred from playing for more than 30 seconds or so (like as the TV broadcast is returning) during the final 10 minutes of the game. Like it or not, the volume level of piped-in pump-up music will have a greater effect on keeping fans loud when it counts. As anyone who has ever spent 10 minutes in a bar knows, the louder the atmosphere is around you, the louder you will make yourself.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 12, 2013 17:21:49 GMT -5
Also, I think CA's idea has some merit. Seems like a pretty logical, simple solution.
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Post by 3xhoya on Feb 12, 2013 18:26:22 GMT -5
If the Stonewalls really want to change things, they will do anything in there power to ban anymore advertisement reading by Father McFadden during timeouts. I love the guy, but those moments with no music and no band absolutely kill crowd noise. In addition, sorry band alums, but the band should really be barred from playing for more than 30 seconds or so (like as the TV broadcast is returning) during the final 10 minutes of the game. Like it or not, the volume level of piped-in pump-up music will have a greater effect on keeping fans loud when it counts. As anyone who has ever spent 10 minutes in a bar knows, the louder the atmosphere is around you, the louder you will make yourself. I agree with all of the above. The reading of the advertisements is brutal and really ruins the game day atmosphere. I don't want to hear about Georgetown Catering for 30 seconds in the middle of a tightly contested game. I feel bad saying it but the band just doesn't work all that well for us. I think the prime reason is because we play in such a cavernous arena they just can't fill the space. I love the idea of the bands playing at college sports, its just logistically it is tough. The band at Rutgers worked really well because it is such a small arena the music easily filled the space.
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Post by skyhoya on Feb 12, 2013 19:21:10 GMT -5
III needs to do what Coach K did. If you don't show up, we'll sell those prime sets to season ticketholders.
Perhaps if we don't sell 1500 student season ticket next year, we put all the students in one end with the band and sell season tickets to boosters at the other end.
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Post by jgalt on Feb 13, 2013 0:06:45 GMT -5
III needs to do what Coach K did. If you don't show up, we'll sell those prime sets to season ticketholders. Perhaps if we don't sell 1500 student season ticket next year, we put all the students in one end with the band and sell season tickets to boosters at the other end. And who are these 2000 people who are clamoring to buy season tickets but can because VC is so full? Gtown just needs to make a run in the Tournament in the students will come back. Momentum is what the students respond to, something the program hasnt had over the past few seasons.
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 13, 2013 0:12:03 GMT -5
Momentum showmentum JUST FILL THE BOOTH STUDENTS NO EXCUSES nuf said. PLEASE. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Post by b52legend on Feb 13, 2013 0:30:45 GMT -5
Its simply a numbers game. Student section holds 2200. 7000 undergrads. Approximately 1 in 3 students have to show up to fill the student section. It is fair to say 1 in 3 students at Georgetown simply don't care about basketball or having fun and never will (see SFS, et. al., no offense), so 1 in 2 students have to attend to fill up the student section. That is just a tough target to consistently hit. Just a few years ago, around 2/3 of the student body PURCHASED season tickets. It's not a tough target at all. When I was an undergrad, basketball was simply an integral part of the Georgetown culture. Now, it's not. It's as simple as that. When you were a student we were emerging from the dark ages (Esh) into a whole new world full of some of the best players to ever wear the uniform (Roy, Jeff, JW), Big East titles and deep runs into the tournament. It was pretty easy to make it an integral part of the Georgetown experience/culture for even the most casual of fans.
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 13, 2013 0:38:32 GMT -5
we filled up mcdonough and i know it was alot smaller but packed IT as students but i do admit that was a few years ago.. FILL THE DARN BOOTH> no excuses pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by rosslynhoya on Feb 13, 2013 8:24:57 GMT -5
When you were a student we were emerging from the dark ages (Esh) into a whole new world full of some of the best players to ever wear the uniform (Roy, Jeff, JW), Big East titles and deep runs into the tournament. It was pretty easy to make it an integral part of the Georgetown experience/culture for even the most casual of fans. Um, that's not my era, but I know that when that era began, there were no Big East titles or tourney runs on the horizon. The students at that time didn't know it would get better. The recruiting cupboard was so bare for JT3's first year, we needed to upgrade a walkon from Princeton for our first point guard and our big man prospect had all the coordination of Bambi on ice. How bleak was that era? This is how bleak that era was. Some have forgotten. The kids coming to Georgetown in that time weren't coming to the university because of basketball's legacy, because of basketball's role in unifying campus culture. Those kids came for other reasons, but took the plunge at a school that had one NCAA appearance in 8 years and made a whole new world of Hoya fandom. But to make it sound like "it was so easy" to create a student body that loved Georgetown hoops is insane.
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Post by b52legend on Feb 13, 2013 10:40:51 GMT -5
When you were a student we were emerging from the dark ages (Esh) into a whole new world full of some of the best players to ever wear the uniform (Roy, Jeff, JW), Big East titles and deep runs into the tournament. It was pretty easy to make it an integral part of the Georgetown experience/culture for even the most casual of fans. Um, that's not my era, but I know that when that era began, there were no Big East titles or tourney runs on the horizon. The students at that time didn't know it would get better. The recruiting cupboard was so bare for JT3's first year, we needed to upgrade a walkon from Princeton for our first point guard and our big man prospect had all the coordination of Bambi on ice. How bleak was that era? This is how bleak that era was. Some have forgotten. The kids coming to Georgetown in that time weren't coming to the university because of basketball's legacy, because of basketball's role in unifying campus culture. Those kids came for other reasons, but took the plunge at a school that had one NCAA appearance in 8 years and made a whole new world of Hoya fandom. But to make it sound like "it was so easy" to create a student body that loved Georgetown hoops is insane. I'm not sure I follow your argument. My point is that exactly because we were so terrible during the Esh era, and because the outlook was so bleak, the student body and young alumni were starved for something to get excited about. Secondly, that success DID come almost immediately. In his first three years our results were (i) significantly improved, (ii) sweet sixteen, (iii) final four. After four straight years of missing the NCAAA (my entire tenure at Gtown), such success got everyone excited and was fully appreciated. The days of protests to fire the coach were over and the days of hoisting BE titles had begun. It was basically a perfect storm for generating enthusiasm for the program within the student body and young alumni.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 13, 2013 11:19:14 GMT -5
Um, that's not my era, but I know that when that era began, there were no Big East titles or tourney runs on the horizon. The students at that time didn't know it would get better. The recruiting cupboard was so bare for JT3's first year, we needed to upgrade a walkon from Princeton for our first point guard and our big man prospect had all the coordination of Bambi on ice. How bleak was that era? This is how bleak that era was. Some have forgotten. The kids coming to Georgetown in that time weren't coming to the university because of basketball's legacy, because of basketball's role in unifying campus culture. Those kids came for other reasons, but took the plunge at a school that had one NCAA appearance in 8 years and made a whole new world of Hoya fandom. But to make it sound like "it was so easy" to create a student body that loved Georgetown hoops is insane. I'm not sure I follow your argument. My point is that exactly because we were so terrible during the Esh era, and because the outlook was so bleak, the student body and young alumni were starved for something to get excited about. Secondly, that success DID come almost immediately. In his first three years our results were (i) significantly improved, (ii) sweet sixteen, (iii) final four. After four straight years of missing the NCAAA (my entire tenure at Gtown), such success got everyone excited and was fully appreciated. The days of protests to fire the coach were over and the days of hoisting BE titles had begun. It was basically a perfect storm for generating enthusiasm for the program within the student body and young alumni. As someone who attended from 03-07, I had a front row seat for the JT III transition. My freshman year was Esh's last, one in which the team started 10-0 playing the WORST ooc schedule in the country and finished that year 13-15, going 3-15 in BE play. I had season tickets that year. It was painful. No chant was louder than the "Fire Esherick" chant. Turn the page to 2004-05, and I'll never forget how quickly everyone realized Jeff Green could play. None of us had any idea why our "5" was at the top of the key so often, but it was blatantly obvious that this kid with his braids swinging all over could certainly play some ball. Early on we played #1 Illinois (who would end up going 37-2 losing in the championship to UNC), boasting a roster full of veterans and talent. The line was Illinois by 11. I unloaded my bank account on that (literally) because I didn't yet "bleed blue" and it seemed like easy money. We lost by 15 and I won my money, but I left that arena going, "Damn, this team really didn't play that badly and I almost left here broke." Jeff had 20 and 6 in 28 minutes. Wallace was second with 10. The two combined for 30 of our 59. That team had me sold then and there. Two freshman just went toe-to-toe with a bunch of talented veterans on a ridiculously good team and punched them back. Later that year, we would trail ND by 1 at home with just under 5 seconds to go. Ashanti drove the length of the court, drew two defenders, and dished to Roy, who miraculously caught the pass and threw down what seemed like the slowest dunk of all time for a buzzer beating win. THAT was exciting. A signature moment at home. In his first year, JT III led the team to 19-13 and the NIT (losing to eventual champ South Carolina), an unfathomable amount of success on the heels of Esherick's wrath. Turn the page to next year, and we beat undefeated #1 Duke at home. That was The Moment. The Hoyas were back. Thompson could coach and Jeff was emerging as a star. Made the tournament, upset the 2 seed Ohio St. and bowed out to eventual champion Florida in the Sweet 16 in a very tightly contested game. Hugely successful season. By 06-07, having student season tickets was a must. The buzz from the last two years was deafening. We were officially back as a program with the potential to do some serious damage this year. Jeff was becoming a star and Roy was quickly becoming a dominating inside force and Wallace was already showing the poise and leadership of a senior. That right there in my Holy Trinity ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) It was kind of a perfect storm, there's no doubt about that. Win the BE regular season, win the tournament blowing out a rival in Pitt, and make an incredibly entertaining and exciting run to the Final Four, beating Vandy on a buzzer beater by Jeff and knocking off the Mighty Tar Heels and their NBA roster in the elite 8. I know no one here needs to be reminded of the incredible success this team had, but it was easy for casual fans/students to jump on board and ride the wave of success over those first few years of JT III. Recent teams haven't given the students those same waves to ride unfortunately. I guess what I'm getting at with my nostalgic blathering here is that signature moments, even that Illinois loss, and post-season success had an incredible impact on students' interest. I was in it for better or worse no matter what. But most of those kids that were filling the student section by 06-07 weren't. They were in it because the year before we knocked off Duke and went to the Sweet 16. Big time wins at home and big time post-season success are hugely important to student interest, especially at a school like Georgetown. Which is why I was lamenting the poor quality of opponents we've faced at home in ooc in recent years.
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 13, 2013 11:22:14 GMT -5
answer to question HOPEFULLY EXPELLED FOR NOT GOING TO THE QUETTE GAME. maybe some limits would help Carrot dont seem to work maybe the stick is necessary . Well of course didnt or wont happen but you know i guy can think about it at least FILL THE BOOTH FOR DEPAUL gimme game NOT no gimmes and need alot of loud students especially for that game. WRIGHT now. its FEBRUARY yup for real. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Feb 13, 2013 11:59:19 GMT -5
I understand I attended the University during the transition. I'm not looking for 2/3 of the student body to own season tickets. We need the Duke '06 games and the Final Fours to get that. I'm not even looking for 1/2 of the student body to show up to games anymore. Basically, I am well, well aware that I came to the university at a special time (and am forever grateful!)
The thing is, we've been consistently ranked in the top 25 for the last few seasons. We are a good basketball team. I'm just looking for this to create SOME buzz on campus. We are a basketball school - no offense to any of the other sports but basketball is really our only fan sport. The fact that there is close to no buzz on campus about this is ridiculous.
I just want more than 400 or so students to show up for a top-20 matchup on Big Monday. The fact that the student sections were half full on national television was an embarrassment.
(Also note that not all students in the student section are even undergrads. At least 15 students in the student section on Monday were 3rd year law students and I know there were a bunch of other graduate students in the student section as well)
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Post by SoCalHoya on Feb 13, 2013 11:59:45 GMT -5
Don't have access to Photoshop anymore, but could someone do an Uncle Sam "I Wants You..."-style poster using Jack and put that around campus, hopefully swaying some of the too-studious to get out of the library and to the Phonebooth? Tip of the hat for the "Basketball is Our Religion" tifo. Pure genius.
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 13, 2013 12:04:50 GMT -5
All of the points about success are important, and I don't think Final Fours have to be the bar--a simple Sweet Sixteen trip would do the trick. The incredible buzz on any campus that occurs during those 4 days of media hype when you're one of 16 teams left in the country is enormous. Assuming you don't then lose to a lower-seeded team, those things make a difference.
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